Ray Mitcham

Sorry, Evan, couldn't resist it.

"Bloody cloning"? You think there were two Oswalds?

The size of the reflection, it would seem to be an alarm clock rather than a watch.

Are you recommending a faith-based approach by the rest of us, Sean? Just because you were the genius who discovered Prayer Man does not mean we should believe everything you believe, like the perjured testimony of Will Fritz which was proven false when his notes revealed that Prayer Man told him that when the president passed by he was Out with Bill Shelley in front. I think we have the FBI guys confirming that he said he was getting a coke on the second floor when the policeman came in. And I again submit that Prayer Man is clapping his hands. Ray, if Prayer man is clapping his hands, what is the white reflection?

Hi Sean. Makes a lot of sense. I raise my glass of Midleton. Sláinte!

Thanks, Pat.

If Prayer man is Oswald, then Altgens 6 shows that he would be unable to see the first or subsequent shots as he is hidden inside the North corner of the doorway. As he can't see what is going on, (even Lovelady in the middle of the doorway is leaning forward to see what is going on) he is not aware that the President has been shot and fatally injured, so, after Baker runs past him, he decides to go upstairs for a Coke. Baker and Truly have to get across the first floor try the elevators which aren't working and the run up the stairs, by which time Oswald has walked up the front stairs and reached the dining area. They had to travel across the first floor, try the elevators, then run up the stairs. Os had to walk up the front stairs and across maybe two thirds of the floor. Time line seems quite plausible. Just my 2 cents. Anybody got a plan layout of the second floor?

Any better?

There does seem to be a glint here. A bottle? Sean, I think Tommy wll be on shortly to say he can read the label on the bottle

Thanks Tommy. Stupidly, I didn't think to google it. And thanks to you, Larry, for the pdfs.

Anybody know of a photo of John Thomas Masen?

Gary informs me that he was referring to another film clip, and will not change his mind. Did he say which film clip, Bill?

Yes, and I can see his crooked front tooth. LOL --Tommy By Jove, Thomas, I believe you are correct. Curiouser and curiouser....

Looks as though it could be. Correct dark shirt and looks like Oswald's build.

Ian, maybe it's because the site doesn't allow aliases, that we don't see a lot of the "characters" who appear on other web sites on here.

I see Tink is mentioned in the article. What does he have to say about the production? Tink ?

Thank you, John. I hope contributors take note of your comments. We have an invaluable resource here, and we all must ensure that posters remember their manners.

Just a a matter of interest, I visit Portugal regularly, and trying to understand the language. When I am back home, I occasionally say "obrigado" instead of "thankyou", when thanking somebody. so i can well understand Judy thanking somebody in Russian if she was learning the language.

Nah. Not really. I rather enjoy watching you conspiracy buffs trying to deny the obvious. Like the oh-so-obvious S.B.T., Oswald's guilt, and the location of the entry wound in the above autopsy photo. But you can just pretend all the photos are fakes. That usually works pretty well for you guys. Whilst you continue to pretend they aren't. In deciding which view is is correct, how could anybody prefer to believe photos which are fakes over the forty witnesses who saw the hole in the rear of the President's head at Parkland? Were they all mistaken, David? (on second thoughts - no need to reply as we already know your answer.)

Mr Hornberger forgot to mention the third type- the professionals, those who are either paid to spout government thinking or those in government who are protecting the government line.

Apologies, guys. Meant to put Wiiliam. Message still stands.

Well said, Jim. Completely agree.

Howard L. Hunt stood to lose billions of dollars if the changes to the oil depletiation allowances had gone through as JFK wanted. The Fed stood to lose the interest it charged on lending non existent money to the U.S. government as JFK wanted to issue money backed by silver. The Mob were losing billiions because of Castro's takeover of Cuba. And it wasn't about money?

Funny how the witness testimony is always unreliable when it shows a problem with the Warren Commission.

Pat, Rather says this: "Well, let me tell you then, give you a word picture of the motion picture we have just seen. The President's automobile which was preceded by only one other car containing Secret Service Agents...the President's open black Lincoln automobile made a turn, a left turn off of Houston Street in Dallas onto Elm Street, this was right on the fringe area of the downtown area. This left turn was made right below the window from which the shot was fired...as the car made the turn, completed the turn--went below the window from which this shot was fired...went on past the building--keep in mind the window was on the sixth floor...it got about 35 yards from the base of the building...that is if you had dropped a plumb line from the window to the sidewalk to...the President's car was around 35 yards from that spot...President Kennedy had just put his right hand up to the side of his right eye. It appeared that he was perhaps brushing back his hair or rubbing his eyebrow. Mrs. Kennedy was not looking in his direction. In front of them in the jump seat of the Lincoln...were Governor and Mrs. Connally. The Governor, as was the President, was on the side of the car of the building in which the assassin was located. Mrs. Kennedy and Mrs. Connally were on the opposite side. Two Secret Service men on the front seat...At almost the instant the President put his hand up to his eyebrow...on the right side of his face, with Mrs. Kennedy looking away, the President lurched forward just a bit. Uh, it was obvious he had been hit in the movie but you had to be looking very closely in order to see it. Mrs. Kennedy did not appear to be aware that he was hit but Governor Connally in the seat just in front of the President, seemingly heard the shot...or sensed that something was wrong...Governor Connally, whose coat button was open, turned in such a way to extend his right hand out towards the President and the Governor seemed to have a look on his face that might say "What is it? What happened?" And as he turned he exposed his entire shirt front and chest because his coat was unbuttoned...at that moment a shot very clearly hit that part of the Governor." Why don't we see this in the film available to us?