Ray Mitcham

But your **TWO** bullets that must replace the SBT somehow COULD get into JFK's body, and then just stop on a dime, and yet not cause any major damage. (Yeah, right. Take that one in front of a jury. I'd love to see the rolling eyes of the jurors after hearing that argument, coupled with their exasperated reaction after James Gordon tells the jurors that all the bullets somehow inexplicably disappeared, to boot.) "And I agree, with reservation regarding the lung and C7, that there was no major damage inside the body." -- James R. Gordon You've got TWO "magic bullets" there, James. And the funny thing is--you don't even seem to realize it. What do you think they were doing at the pre-autopsy.? Remember Sibert's comment on seeing the body when it was unwrapped at Bethesda- "There was surgery to the head" Who did the surgery to the head, David?

If..If...If……..As James has previously said, please show how the magic bullet could have travelled through his back and out of his throat without hitting any bones. Just saying it didn't, doesn't mean a carrot, David and you know it.

Bump again. (Seems like DVP has no answer.)

Bump. (Where did Von Pein suddenly disappear to?)

David, try answering James Gordon's points. Unless you can, you have to accept that the single bullet theory is a load of rubbish.

Even Dr Humes didn't believe that CE399 caused the wounds in JFK and Connally. Mr. SPECTER - "Dr. Humes, under your opinion which you have just given us, what effect, if any, would that have on whether this bullet, 399, could have been the one to lodge in Governor Connally's thigh?" Commander HUMES - " I think that extremely unlikely. The reports, again Exhibit 392 from Parkland, tell of an entrance wound on the lower midthigh of the Governor, and X-rays taken there are described as showing metallic fragments in the bone, which apparently by this report were not removed and are still present in Governor Connally's thigh. I can't conceive of where they came from this missile." The "ballistics expert" who invented the Single bullet theory was a young lawyer, Arlen Specter. 'nuff said. " "You call it the theory; I call it the conclusion; it was a theory until we found the facts [edit - "manufactured the evidence"] ; that's why I refer to it as the Single-Bullet Conclusion." -- Arlen Specter; 1967

Wasn't Ruby also an informer for the FBI? Seem to remember reading it somewhere years ago.

A humanitarian rifle? Which one of these is the subject of the statement? (Assuming they are, as they appear to be, different rifles?)

Finger lickin' crud.

Also magical rifles that changed from Mausers into a Mannlicher Carcanos, magic wallets which appeared and disappeared at will at the Tippit scene, rifle shells that magically changed positions in the snipers nest and a paper bag that moved before it could be photographed.

Your link says it's by Mel Ayton with a foreword by DVP.

She denied ever saying she saw Lovelady and Shelley. I know it was in her W.C. testimony, but she still denied seeing them.

Robin, didn't Vicky Adams later deny that she said that she saw Shelley and Lovelady? Lovelady said this in his testimony. Mr BALL -Shelley and you went down how far? Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I would say a good 75, between 75 to 100 yards to the first tracks. See how those tracks goes--- Mr. BALL - You went down the dead end on Elm? Mr. LOVELADY - Yes. Mr. BALL - And down to the first tracks? Mr. LOVELADY - Yes. Mr. BALL - Did you see anything there? Mr. LOVELADY - No, sir; well, just people running. Mr. BALL - That's all? Mr. LOVELADY - And hollerin. Mr. BALL - How did you happen to go down there? Mr. LOVELADY - I don't know, because everybody was running from that way and naturally, I guess--- Mr. BALL - They were running from that way or toward that way? Mr. LOVELADY - Toward that way; everybody thought it was coming from that direction. Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building? Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building. Mr. BALL - How many steps? Mr. LOVELADY - Twenty, 25. Mr. BALL - Steps away and you looked back and saw him enter the building? Mr. LOVELADY - Yes. Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks? Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half. Mr. BALL - Then what did you do? Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building. Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear? Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did. How could they have done all that and got back to the rear of the TSBD before Vicky Adams came down the stairs?

He was banned, B.A.

Or a substitute body.

Hi Greg. Don't know if you saw this on another thread. but A.J. MacDonald Jnr. said he was there as a child, at Bethesda when the helicopter arrived with JFK's body. see http://ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/the-arrival-of-jfks-body-at-bethesda-naval-hospital-what-i-saw/ Interesting in view of the Air Force One tapes.

It didn't confuse me, Scott. It obviously confused you as you said he said he saw Jackie when he didn't say that at all. What part of " "My mom and dad remember seeing Jackie Kennedy there too — still wearing her blood stained dress — but I don’t remember seeing her." do you not understand? But anyway apology accepted.

No- just to show that you can't comprehend what MacDonald wrote.

Your quote "Here's another one, Ray. This guy claims that the body arrived by helicopter, was on a gurney cover by a sheet, and was placed in a grey ambulance. And to top it off he claims Jackie was on the helo too." http://ajmacdonaldjr...tal-what-i-saw/ His actual comment; "My mom and dad remember seeing Jackie Kennedy there too — still wearing her blood stained dress — but I don’t remember seeing her.

Are you saying MacDonalds parents are liars? Oh my! No. Just you . You said that McDonald said that he saw Jackie at Bethesda. I have shown you that he didn't say that.

Haven't had enough, David. I was waiting for Scott apologise for mis-stating what MacDonald had said about Jackie at Bethesda.

Here you are, Bob, "Mr. EISENBERG - Yes; for the record, these cartridges were found on the sixth. floor of the School Book Depository Building. They were found near the south east corner window--that is, the easternmost window on the southern face of the sixth floor of that building. Mr. Frazier, are these cartridge cases which have just been admitted into evidence the same type of cartridge-- from the same type of cartridge as you just examined, Commission Exhibit No. 141? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; they are. Mr. EISENBERG - That is, 6.5 mm. Mannlicher-Carcano, manufactured by the Western Cartridge Co.? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. Mr. EISENBERG - You gave the weight of the bullet which is found in this type of cartridge. Could you give us a description of the contour of the bullet, and its length? Mr. FRAZIER - The bullet has parallel sides, with a round nose, is fully jacketed with a copper-alloy coating or metal jacket on the outside of a lead core. Its diameter is 6.65 millimeters. The length--possibly it would be better to put it in inches rather than millimeters The diameter is .267 inches, and a length of 1.185, or approximately 1.2 inches. "

Just as matter of interest, Scott. he doesn't claim Jackie was on the helicopter. "My mom and dad remember seeing Jackie Kennedy there too — still wearing her blood stained dress — but I don’t remember seeing her." Maybe what he says he saw, happened.

Agreed, Paul. Seems too much of a co-incidence that "Umbrella man" was next to a black guy who appeared to have a walkie talkie, right where the road had newly painted yellow lines on the curb, ( the reasons for these, nobody seems to know,) and the part of the road where Greer just happened to brake hard. IMO this is the killing zone, and the Umbrella man and the walkie talkie man were the guys in just the right position to ensure that the hit teams were co-ordinated. Again just my 2c.

Scott, there is the possibility that what they said to the ARRB was a CYA situation. If they had have left the casket in the ante room after being told to ensure that they do not ever let JFK's body out of their sight, then they would have been in deep trouble if they admitted same.