Steve Thomas

Johnny Brewer and Julia Postal are both listening to the radio on their transistor radios. Johnny Brewer hears on his radio that a policeman has been shot in Oak Cliff. Julia Postal, listening to KLIF on her radio, does not. What station is Brewer listening to? From Johnny Brewer: From Julia Postal: From Julia Postal's WC testimony: " So, seemed like I hung up the intercom phone when here all of a sudden, police cars, policemen, plainclothesmen, I never saw so many people in my life. And they raced in, and the next thing I knew, they were carrying----well, that is when I first heard Officer Tippit had been shot because some officer came in the box office and used the phone, said, "I think we have got our man on both accounts." "What two accounts?" And said, "Well, Officer Tippit's,"do with Tippit. Julia Postal's call to the police was in reference to JFK's assassination, and had nothing to do with Tippit. Are she and Brewer listening to two different radio stations? Steve Thomas

Upon his supposed return from Mexico on October 3, 1963, Oswald checked into the YMCA. For his address, Oswald listed Toro, Ca. (20H192) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=212&tab=page What do you think, is the significance of this? From Mary Ferrell's Chronologies: Steve Thomas

Ron, Did you read her Affidavit that Jim Hargrove made reference to? You can see a copy in the DPD Archives in Box 2, Folder# 3, Item# 21 here: http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm (With Box 2, you have to follow the numbers on the right hand side of the page) That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. She saw Oswald duck into the Theater without paying for a ticket, and didn't do anything about it. Instead, she went outside and stood on the sidewalk looking at the police down the street. She was the one who insisted on calling the police because she knew he was running from the police because of her "woman's intuition". What a crock. Steve Thomas

Jim, Yeah, and why at 7:45 at night? Steve Thomas

Paul, I like this exchange: Mr. BALL. And after you saw the police car go west with its siren on, why at the time the police car went west with its siren on, did you see the man that ducked? Mrs. POSTAL. Yes; and when the sirens went by he had a panicked look on his face, and he ducked in. Mr. BALL. Now, as the car went by, you say the man ducked in, had you seen him before the car went by, the police went by? Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; I was looking up, as I say, when the cars passed, Mr. BALL. What did you see him do after became around the corner? Mrs. POSTAL. Well, I didn't actually--- So, well, I called the police, and he wanted to know why I thought it was their man, and I said, "Well, I didn't know," and he said, "Well, it fits the description," and I have not---I said I hadn't heard the description. All I know is, "This man is running from them for some reason." And he wanted to know why, and told him because everytime the sirens go by he would duck and he wanted to know----well, if he fits the description is what he says. I said, "Let me tell you what he looks like and you take it from there." And explained that he had on this brown sports shirt and I couldn't tell you what design it was, and medium height, ruddy looking to me, and he said, "Thank you," Everytime the sirens went by? How many sirens did go by? How many times was he "ducking" How could the police operator know Oswald fit the description before Postal even gave it to him? Steve Thomas

Anthony, Congratulations on your first post. It was cogent, articulate and respectful. Thank you. I am algebraically challenged, but I did have one question. Wouldn't different guns with different shot loads also have a bearing on shot velocities? Steve Thomas

Michael, That's a good question. Roy Truly told the WC, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/truly1.htm "So I told him if he would come to work on the morning of the 16th, it was the beginning of a new pay period. So he filled out his withholding slip, with the exception of the number of dependents. He asked me if I would hold that for 3 or 4 days, that he is expecting a baby momentarily. So some 4 days or so later--I don't remember the exact day--he told me that he had this new baby, and he wanted to add one dependent. He finished filling it out. And I sent it up to Mr. Campbell who makes out the payroll for the company. Mr. BELIN. Now, on October 15th you saw him fill out the application form for employment in his own writing? Mr. TRULY. Yes. Mr. BELIN. You also saw him fill out the withholding slip, except for the number of exemptions, in his own writing, is that correct? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir." I don't think I've ever seen Oswald's TSBD W-2 form. Steve Thomas

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David, I only used Nancy Rich as a metaphor for the different elements who might have been involved. The way I see it, a handful of guys are sitting in easy chairs, drinking brandy and smoking cigars around the fire at the yacht club. There’s a spy guy, and military man, a mob guy and a rich guy. One of the guys says, “That sumbitch Kennedy has got to go. Everybody raises their brandy snifter and say, “Hear hear!” One guy turns to the military guy and says, “General, you kill people for a living, how would you do it?” The General says, “I’d use a triangulation of fire and mow him down with an enfilade approach.” The mob guy says, “I’d bring in some shooters from out of the country, so they can’t be traced.” The spy guy says, “I’ve got some Cubans who trained with the Green Berets at Fort Bragg who are crack snipers.” The General says, “I know some local Reserves who can take care of logistics, like food and lodging, and ingress and egress routes.” And either the spy guy, or the military guy offers to get the President’s schedule to figure out the best place and time. Everybody says, “Yeah, but this is going to cost a lot of money.” and the oil guy says, “I’ll take care of that end of things.” There were several people who all had their own motives. Ron asked, " Was the assassination itself a military operation?" Who coordinated things? I don’t know, but to me, JFK's assassination was a whole lot more coordinated than the techniques the CIA was trying to use on Castro like exploding seashells that he just might happen to pick up. Steve Thomas

Ron, For me, the WC testimony of Nancy Perrin Rich is a metaphor of what happened. Some of the details vary, but all the basic elements are there. You've got Cubans and Colonels and the mob, and spooky guys sitting in the corner not saying much. It's all in there. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/rich_n.htm 🙂 In the end, the Colonel was in charge. Mr. HUBERT. All right. Tell us what happened. Mrs. RICH. Well, we got there and at that time there was the colonel and another middle-aged woman, kind of a real old granite face I would describe her, steel-gray hair. Looked rather mannish. Mr. HUBERT. Who else was there? Mrs. RICH. The colonel, the woman, and the prizefighter type, a couple of other men that just kind of sat off in the corner. Mrs. RICH. "The colonel seemed to be the head of it and seemed to do all the talking. Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you whom he was representing in the matter? Mrs. RICH. Not exactly. That fact never did come clear to me. A group of people. Steve Thomas

Jim, The Elsbeth address could have come in one of two different ways: 1) is through the FBI. Hosty told the WC that he had known of the Elsbeth St. address as far back as March of 1963. LHO , was brought back to police headquarters around 2:00 PM or so, and even though Hosty didn't get there until 3:00 or so, Bookhout was already there and could have called back to the office to see if the FBI had anything on this Oswald guy. 2) The other way the police could have gotten the Elsbeth address was via the Lumpkin to Crichton to George Bouhe pipeline. Bouhe had Oswald's Elsbeth address as far back as November, 1962, and we know that Crichton had an inside line on info to the White Russian community because of his call to Mamamtov looking for an interpreter. Revill wrote a memo to Gannaway about Oswald around 3:00 or 3:15 PM and used the Elsbeth St. address, so we know they had it as early as that, but I don't know that the police got it via Roy Truly. Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: "Bart, Thanks. You know a whole lot more about this stuff than I do." 1 hour ago, Bart Kamp said: "That is correct Steve." hahahaha Sorry, couldn't help myself. Steve

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Bart, Thanks. You know a whole lot more about this stuff than I do. The guy in the right hand picture - his sleeves are not rolled up? Steve Thomas

Bill, Thanks for the tip about Turner's reference to Harvey Lee Oswald. I will add it to my list of HLO references. This convinces me more than ever that either Billy Senkel, or F.M. Turner was the policeman out in the hall who told Will Fritz that Oswald lived on Beckley; and that the source of the DPD's knowledge of N. Beckley was military intelligence. DPD Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item# 1 Undated Report of B.L. Senkel. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm He rode in the motorcade's pilot car along with Deputy Chief George Lumpkin, F.M. Turner, George L. Whitmeyer, and Jack Puterbaugh. Senkel was in left rear seat. (Lumpkin and Whitmeyer were Army Intelligence Reserves). At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM. Walter E. Potts, Billy L. Senkel and Fay M. Turner were Detectives in Will Fritz's Homicide Bureau. Lt. Elmo L. Cunningham was a lieutenant in the Forgery Bureau. Both Bureaus were part of the Criminal Investigation Division. Batchelor's Exhibit 5002 (19H) http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf Billy Senkel, who rode in the Pilot Car with Army Reserve Officers George Lumpkin and George Whitmeyer, who was dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley, and when arriving, asked for Harvey Lee Oswald. Was Senkel the unknown policeman who told Fritz out in the hall that Oswald lived on Beckley? Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there. Mrs. ROBERTS. No---he registered as O. H. Lee and they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald. In his undated After-Action Report (DPD Archives Box 3, Folder# 13, Item# 1, Page# 7, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm F.M. Turner wrote that on November 25, 1963 a picture of Harvey Lee Oswald DPD# 54018 was shown to witness, Ronald Fischer of Mesquite, Texas, who said that the picture looked like a man who he (Fischer) “saw at the window where the shots were fired from”. Steve Thomas

Bill, A small note: Walter E. Potts and Billy Senkel were both with the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, and would indeed be considered "Fritz's men" see page 29 of Batchelor's Exhibit https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf They probably wore those white Stetsons that made the Detectives from H&R so recognizable. Cunningham was with the Forgery Bureau - see p. 31 of the same Exhibit. I had never noticed before that there was an Earl Potts in Forgery. I wonder if he was related to Walter. Looks like a number of people came out of Forgery: O.A. Jones, who would spearhead an internal investigation of how Ruby got into the basement Marvin Buhk, who would encounter "Secret Service Agents" at the Library William Chambers, who would interrogate the Three Tramps Patsy Collins and Mary Rattan, who would take so many of the Affidavits. Steve Thomas

Without getting into the whole Prayerman debate, and whether or not you think this is LHO at all, do you think this is the same person? The first image is one of the Altgens' pictures (CE 369), and the second is a frame from the Weigman film. I don't see how it could be, unless this person took the time to roll up his sleeves and button up his shirt. Steve Thomas

I myself would be interested in learning more about the relationship between Roy Truly and D.H. Byrd. Roy Truly - Fred Korth connection posted by Greg Wagner in the ROKC Forum 12/23/17 Roy Truly: "Born August 9 1907. ·Began work for the Texas Book Depository in 1934 as head of the Miscellaneous Dept. – the same job Bill Shelley was filling in 1963 ·Became superintendent in 1944 and at some stage was made a co-director of the company ·During WW II he held a second job at night at the North American Aviation Plant in Arlington by cutting down his hours at the depository." “Corsicana Daily Sun” from Corsicana, Texas March 31, 1970 Page 10 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/41268447/ “The building (the Texas School Book Depository) is owned by the Dallas Trust Corp. The majority stockholder of the firm, Col. D. Harold Byrd, 69, has decided to liquidate some of his holdings.” I tried to do a little research on the Dallas Trust Corp., but a simple Google search failed to yield any results. John Simkin in the Education Forum December 2, 2006. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/8715-david-harold-byrd/ “In 1944 Byrd founded Byrd Oil Corporation and B-H Drilling Corporation. In 1952 Byrd established the Three States Natural Gas Company. Byrd later sold Byrd Oil to Mobil and Three States to Delhi-Taylor. Byrd used this money to invest in aircraft production and established Temco. A company that employed Mac Wallace after he was convicted of killing John Kinser.” Linda J. Minor writes in her blog: Quixotic Joust http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2011/06/other-uranium-explorers-in-texas-in.html “Other Uranium Explorers in Texas in the 1950's “ “Jerrell Dean Palmer writes: "In 1952 the entrepreneur [Byrd] began to phase out Byrd-Frost and organized the Three States Natural Gas Company, which was purchased by Delhi-Taylor Oil Corporation in 1961." https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fby13 The United Press reported in mid-March of 1955: "Byrd Uranium Corp. had a new charter from Delaware Thursday making it a wholly-owned subsidiary of Byrd Oil Corp., President D. Harold Byrd said. The new company, authorized to operate in Colorado, Utah, New Mexico and Texas, will examine uranium prospects on the oil company's extensive holdings in the Rocky Mountain region." It would have been during this period of time that George De Mohrenschildt's resume * reflects he worked for Three States Natural Gas in the Rocky Mountain area and in the Uintah basin. * COL. LAWRENCE ORLOV: EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL RECORD https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=7491#relPageId=3&tab=page This is actually a resume of George DeMohrenschildt that he gave to Orlov in 1958. “During the period of 1949 – 1959 acted as consultant on various projects, namely in Haiti, West Indies... for Western Hemisphere Oil Corporation; in France... for Three States Natural Gas Company...” “July, 1946 to January, 1949. Field Engineer for one year and then Chairman of Rangely Field Engineering Geological Committee, Colorado.” Mac Wallace? George DeMohrenschildt? Roy Truly was a co-director in Byrd's company that owned the TSBD? What other connections might there be out there? Steve Thomas

Jim, According to Holmes, he did. And Bart, you wrote that it is a theory; but I ask, how could Oswald have known that Truly was at the front door vouching for employees unless he seen it happen with his own eyes? From 12:30 on, Oswald was never in a position to have seen that activity going on. For me, it's not a question of why Oswald left so early, but rather; if he was guilty, why did he hang around for so long? Steve Thomas

Why Would Russia, China—and Iran—Plan Joint Naval Exercises? https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-would-russia-chinaand-iranplan-joint-naval-exercises?ref=home Uh oh. Steve Thomas

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Jim, And how Truly changed a first floor encounter alongside Lieutenant Erich Kaminsky at the front door with LHO to a second floor encounter alongside Baker. (although that might be part of your #1) Steve Thomas

Larry, You can find a little more conversation about these records from 2008 here: Oswald and Ruby: The Transcript http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12284-oswald-and-ruby-the-transcript/ Bill Kelly wrote: “The Dallas DA says that he is considering giving the records to the Sixth Floor or Smithsonian, when I say they should be given to a Grand Jury to determine if there is any evidence that can implicate suspects in crimes related to the assassination.” Chris Courtright wrote: “The documents and materials need to be given to the National Archives. Let's remember that even though the ARRB sunset, the JFK Act has not. To hell with Gary Mack and/or the Smithsonian.” Charles Drago wrote: “In the meantime, let's do what we can to keep the material off the Sixth Floor. “ Tosh Plumlee wrote: P.S I just got off the telephone from a Dallas source: "... Bob. if you have anyway of getting information to the right people then try to get them to write to Dallas authorities requesting an investigation into this find, overwhelm them if you can.., before all this is again lost. I feel the time is right. I know some are trying to buy the rights to this information and lock it up again..". Sounds like a good idea to me. Perhaps that would block any thing going to a museum or being purged or sorted out.” John Simkin wrote: “It seems the Dallas News wants help in interpreting this material. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...s.15b53191.html The paper has set up a forum to discuss these documents. So far no one has posted on the subject: http://www.dallasnews.com/forums/viewforum...1efd4c2c4c993ee “ I took it upon myself to try and give them some sort of index, and urged the DMN to give the pdfs to the MFF so they could be made keyword searchable. They did not take my suggestion. In his original post, Gary Buell wrote: "The documents contained here are those that the district attorney's office made available in electronic form – an estimated 90 percent of all the documents from the vault. Another 10 percent had not yet been scanned when these files were released to The Dallas Morning News. The contents include transcripts, personal and official letters, newspaper clippings, lists of jurors, police reports, rap sheets, autopsy reports, trial notes, police notebooks, photographs and much more. The documents appear here exactly as they were received by The News . They are neither cataloged nor indexed, and they are in no apparent order. Given the volume, we haven't been able to review most of the files. That's why were calling on you. Here's your chance to review never-seen-before materials related to the JFK assassination." http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...s.15b53191.html The DA's office gave the documents to the DMN in electronic form. If you try and follow those links, you just get a 404 error. They no longer reside on that DMN server. Does the DA's office still have copies of the original pdf's? Steve Thomas

Larry, The Dallas Morning News did. (At least it was where you went to go read them). When the decision was made to house the actual physical documents, the pdf website went down. I do not know where the pdf files are. I agree that it was an incredible waste of energy to create them, and then not host them somewhere you could get access to them over the Internet. One day they were there, and the next day, they weren't. What a loss. At the time I reviewed them, I was not in a position to store them - of course, they were not mine to begin with. Steve Thomas

Larry, I have no doubt that the physical documents reside at the museum, but where are the pdf files that were created? Steve Thomas