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So that coordinates a time frame that allows for the possibility of his visiting Sylvia Odio's apartment on Sept. 25th. and having enough time to be driven from the Dallas area to Houston.

Did the Mexico City bound bus Oswald reportedly boarded in Houston leave in the evening? Here's a great conundrum regards Oswald. He couldn't have made more of an effort to be publicly noticed and noticed by our intelligence and FBI agencies in the 4 or 5 months leading up to the "Big Event." He is so noticed in downtown NO passing out pro-Cuba leaflets in broad daylight he is photographed, filmed, arrested and put on radio and TV there. Passing out pro-Cuba leaflets in super hot anti-Castro NO at that time was the equivalent to bull horn calling for new Marine recruits on the campus of UC Berkeley in 1969. Begging for a physical confrontation commotion such as he had with Bringuier and his boys. More drama to be noticed even more. Oswald then goes to Mexico City and simply walks up to the main entrances of the most surveilled Embassies there with cameras everywhere and everything he says tape recorded. Oswald isn't so dumb he is unaware of how much he will be photographed, recorded, tracked, even followed doing these laughably overt shenanigans at these most important adversarial embassies loaded with spies. Oswald was purposely thrusting himself into a ( I'm here, I'm crazy, I'm angry and making scenes ) highest level political intrigue limelight so aggressively it screams illogicalness to a totally suspicious degree. He burst into the Dallas FBI offices and angrily leaves a note demanding they leave his wife alone? Oswald had to be mentally detached in deciding to do JFK right from his place of work and thinking he could get away with it...knowing he had created an intelligence file the thickness of a telephone book with all the most politically crazy and extreme antics he was publicly participating in, in just the last 4 months before 11,22,1963. Oswald seemed much more intelligent and thoughtful in his words and demeanor after being arrested than the stupid "look at me everybody" politically extreme publicity hound he was in the months leading up to 11,22,1963.

Excellent review/summary. Choosing the famous Costner to play O'Donnell does strongly suggests an agenda of revisionist O'Donnell as much more important and even heroic historical characterization imo also. Costner incongruously overshadows the very unknown Greenwood merely by his long career famous screen star fame and presence and that had to be intentional. Despite this suspect casting imbalance Greenwood did a great job as JFK as you state. Better than any other film actor by far both before or after this film portrayal. "7 Days In May" was intentionally prescient and promoted into production by JFK himself yes? I do think our military does keep a secret overruling power eye on our presidents from time to time. In JFK's term it certainly appears several of their top leaders wanted to exert this overruling action and more than once. How JFK held his own against them and that type of action just enhances his legacy of world peace saving courage, wisdom and will leadership. I think Trump's Chief Of Staff marine general John Kelly felt a strong concern about Trump's irrational and unpredictable behavior in this vein. I would believe Kelly had many closed door meetings with his Pentagon brethren seriously considering and even formulating a national security plan to overrule Trump in case he actually tried to initiate one of his delusional power plays in the real world.

One thing is for sure and beyond debate... JFK was constantly fending off power and control competition from his top military, rival political agenda and intelligence agency people to do things their way versus his way. And these competitor groups were using classic Machiavellian methods to undermine JFK in their efforts to swing things their way. JFK ( and RFK ) also had Hoover to contend with. As well as Hoover's like minded and highest political gain power obsessed brother LBJ.. Throw in JFK hating segregationist groups, "Big Oil", the Mafia and hot-headed Cubans exiles to boot. Who was left who didn't hate JFK and RFK to murder wishing levels? Guess just average and more honest and moral working class citizens.

TALKERS Trump supporters have allowed themselves to lower their morality standards to a bar so low...they now say it doesn't even matter to them whether Trump or any Republican lies in major ways, they will vote for and support them because their hatred for Democrats justifies this. If Santos did one third of the lying he is reported to have committed on a work application he would not be hired for almost any position in the nation, even fast food, gas station, dishwasher and WalMart greeter jobs, let alone ones of much higher responsibility such as a United States congressperson. I don't know what church going Republicans pray to follow and obey in their Christian morality sermons, songs and reading studies there but the one of lying and cheating seems to have just disappeared from their Christian morality conscious reality. One must assume this one particular Christian morality violating standard cannot be dealt with honestly anymore by them in evaluating their lying versus honest candidate voting decisions. Heck, they even support a person who tried to subvert a constitutionally valid presidential election and who in so doing put his own Vice President and entire Congress in life or death risk! Why go to a Christian church if you are going to then go right out and violate one or more of the most important Christian morality teachings edicts? Lying, cheating, scamming, greed...etc., etc.

One could assume that Oswald had squirreled away some monies from his past employment before Ruth Paine's visit. I don't know how long before Ruth came to visit and then took Marina back with her to Irving, TX. Lee last worked or where. Maybe he had some side money paid to him from his leaflet passing jobs? It would be importantly interesting to know Lee's income and expenses the last month or two before Ruth took Marina and Lee packed it in and took off for Mexico via Texas. Of course he had to pay rent, feed his family. I would assume also he didn't give Ruth Paine any shared expense help monies. He may or may not have given Marina any monies when she left. Did Lee move out of their NO apartment without contacting his landlord about doing so? Did he stiff her for some monies due at that time? As Gene pointed out, Lee had three separate bus trips to get to Mexico. He had to rent a hotel room while in MC for almost what, 4 or 5 days? He had to eat while there. Oswald did know how to survive the cheapest way possible however. He then comes back to Texas. I guess his last bus from Texas to MC was a round trip one? But another bus to Dallas was a separate expense. Oswald still had enough funds to stay somewhere in the Dallas area before he got the schoolbook depository job did he not? He had to eat. He had to wash his clothes. Maybe get a hair cut? Take city bus trips. All this before his first TXSBD job paycheck? Lee had a duffle bag full of his clothes and belongings that he brought into his North Beckley room according to housekeeper rent taker Earlene Roberts. Did he take this on his MC trip? Did Lee stay at a local YMCA house before moving into the N. Beckley room and perhaps was able to leave his duffle bag there until he moved to N. Beckley? Was the duffle bag stored at Ruth Paine's and Lee somehow got it from there to his room? All of Lee's daily personal needs belongings were in that bag along with clothes? It also contained his pistol. Lee's last unemployment check of $33 picked up in New Orleans alone would not have covered Lee's travel and living expenses to Mexico City and then Dallas/Oak Cliff until his first TXSBD job paycheck. It may be a simple explanation that Lee had socked away another 50 to 100 dollars somehow before he ever left to Mexico City. Lee was as secret with his money as he was about everything else.

8 days into Mexico? Bus fares ( 3 ), food, hotel costs. A cheap knock off bracelet for Marina? Was there any fee for his travel visa? Then Oswald needs some funds to rent the room on North Beckley too? Maybe a YMCA just before. Oswald got $33 dollars in unemployment just before he left New Orleans for this journey? $33 would not cover those expenses. One must assume Oswald had some extra stashed monies before he left for Mexico as well? Did he let Marina depart with Ruth Paine without any money at all?

What the heck kind of bag and hand held item is the fellow on the left carrying? and that guy on the right sure looks like Donnie J. Trump.

Absolutely.

Trump's presidential candidacy run is so obviously a phony agenda endeavor meant only to keep his name and bombastic self-serving spoutings in the national daily news to keep feeding his attention craving and never ceasing and never enough grift addiction going with this highly profitable easy money 10's of millions of dollars donation income scam. Trump knows he would be blasted into humiliation kingdom come if he actually entered into the nationally televised primary debates. Trump's bad personal and business baggage factor ( yet with no political background baggage ) going into the 2016 election primary debates was not enough to knock him out of the race combined with the other candidates having enough of their own that Trump's stink was simply less odiferous than theirs. And Trump was riding his national TV character fame and name recognition exposure familiarity as well. One can imagine however rival 2024 primary opponents going after Trump in those debates like sharks tearing into a hugely wounded and weakened whale. Trump has the most negative political baggage of any serious Presidential run candidacy ever. Scores of the worst and most serious kind. Two past elections lost in the popular vote count. Two impeachments. 100 other crazy nation stressing and dividing antics including actual constitution violating and deadly violence inciting crimes. Trump's White House legacy is already considered the most dangerously dividing, damaging and losing ones in modern times if not ever. Even now, most of Trump's chosen and promoted candidates for political office keep losing election after election. Trump is known now in his own worst nightmare self-image way he has pathologically feared and run from his whole life... that of "loser." One of the biggest ever! In presidential primary debates Trump would be so ravaged by his opponents it would be cringing to watch. Just my thoughts regarding my belief that Trump knows this probable primary debate scenario would play out and he has never intended to go through it. Yet, there is a massive breast/sea of capital and fame gain in playing his pretend game of running until then. And he will milk it as much as he can. IMO anyway.

Agree.

Let us pray he does.

Ken, that sure didn't stop the feds from absconding with JFK's body from Parkland. Violating Texas state law in the process.

Curry telling the Feds "to back off?" I got this? Ha. The FBI jumped in and in just a couple of days had Curry's DPD sending them all the important physical evidence. They took over in that regards. The FBI took over so many aspects of the investigation. Questioning Marina, Ruth Paine and so many others. Suspicious that the FBI didn't get the DOJ to take over Oswald's security. After all, he was the main and most important piece of evidence of all. You would have thought Oswald's security would have been their highest concern. I always wondered what J.Edgar Hoover said when he first heard of Oswald being killed right inside the DPD basement. He knew the entire case against Oswald and learning about JFK's killing was lost. Didn't any higher authority above Curry, angrily call him in and dress him up and down for his greatest police security lapse in our history? The FBI wanted all the evidence they could get...but they left the most important piece of all back in Curry's DPD hands... and it was destroyed in less than 48 hours in their care. Tens of millions of average every day working class Americans were furious at the DPD for the muder of Oswald right inside their own building. They ( me included) knew the truth of what happened to JFK was lost along with Oswald.

Curry kept stating he wanted the press to see his department wasn't mistreating Oswald in letting the press almost unfettered access into the DPD building starting Friday night. I always felt that was an oxymoronic statement considering the frantic chaos that the pressing crowd created inside the DPD. Dallas PD homicide detective Jim Leavelle stated in more than one interview that the press crowd was so huge and packed inside the floors where they were dealing with Oswald it was ridiculous. Big cameras, cables strung out across the floor. You had to push your way through them to get anywhere. At one point Leavelle bragged how one press person was so bold he stuck his head between Leavelle's legs to get a picture and Leavelle gave him a kick so hard the fellow flew back against a wall! Leavelle seemed bothered by the decision to allow the press into police business close quarters like Curry did. Doing so allowed an armed Jack Ruby to infiltrate this press crowd. Ruby was right there when Oswald was brought out in front of the press crowd Friday night. Now that's tight security? Looking back, considering the importance of Oswald's personal safety, my common sense would have been to keep the press outside of the DPD building at all times. Too easy for such a crowd to be infiltrated by non-press people such as Ruby who did this twice. So, Curry's constant stated reason to have the press swarm the inside of his building to see his department wasn't mistreating Oswald, perversely led to Oswald's murder right inside it! Oswald probably should have been taken to a nearby military facility with a small army of security around him at all times. His security was that important.

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The guy should be out of office in another month. Especially if anyone seriously investigates his massive financial gains in just two years, for sure.

I've never heard anyone mention Marion Baker being negligent at all regarding moving on up the stairs after encountering Oswald in the TXSBD lunch room. He relied on Truly's assurance that Oswald was an employee and it was okay for him to be there. And Baker's actions didn't result in Oswald's death. Now, Dallas Police Department Chief Jesse Curry's ignoring concerns by fellow department personnel about moving Oswald in broad daylight ( versus a discreet night time one ) announcing to the public the approximate time frame of the move and allowing the basement area to be packed with shouting, bright lights shining including flash bulb ones newsmen just feet from Oswald was epic historic negligence worthy of criminal charges imo. Curry's stubborn refusal to consider safer Oswald transfer advice resulted in an event that created unprecedented mass mistrust by a majority of Americans for generations regards their own federal government due to the most important piece of truth revealing evidence in the JFK case with Oswald's assassination being lost/destroyed ... right in his own building! This mistrust ( rationally justified ) hugely damaged our society in many ways. Knowing why Lee Oswald's survivors would not sue the DPD for their gross security breakdown negligence in Oswald's death for many reasons, still their doing so was legally justified. Oswald was a "suspect" in their custody. Not a tried and convicted perp. Oswald's life depended on the DPD. His physical safety was the most important responsibility in their history. It was totally their fault that Oswald was killed in their custody.

Beautifully stated. So wise.

I don't know how many forum members actually open up links provided by other members like the one Jim Di just posted above. I certainly open up more of these links than not. I would hope more also do so versus not. And the one provided above so coherently reflects exactly my own feelings and thoughts about Tucker Carlson and his recent JFK/CIA revelation news broadcast. And one must wonder if Tucker Carlson reached the highest paid level national TV commentarial position his is in (and has been from a very young age) just from luck of the super competitive draw and/or being at the right place at the right time? A talent too gifted to not grab and elevate to the top ASAP? Or, did his father's positions and contacts and influence have just a little influence in his improbable fast track to the highest paid position in the national TV news commentary world?

If only I wasn't watching my old, grainy, continuous horizontal line disturbance, black and white screen, hand me down TV in my brother's and my bedroom Sunday morning, 11,24,1963 and seen Jack Ruby assassinate Lee Harvey Oswald "live" on national TV. I was 12. I had been watching every second of the JFK assassination news coverage since the afternoon of 11,22,1963. I mean "every" second." I had seen Oswald on TV since Friday night and he was the guilty party all right. According to all the comments from high authority sources. Dallas DA Henry Wade... I think we have the right man...with a "beyond a reasonable doubt" certainty. DA Homicide Captain Will Fritz... "THIS CASE IS CINCHED!" Even at my young age I knew that the only most important person in the case was Lee Harvey Oswald. He was going to tell us all what really happened. Even if they had to beat it out of him! Just keep him alive! Lee Oswald was the most important criminal suspect in our almost 200 year long history. He was also the most threatened one. Tens of thousands of death threats daily pouring in from not just the entire U.S. but all over the world! I trusted the Dallas PD to keep this guy safe. The entire truth of the JFK assassination rested on keeping him alive. Again, I was just 12. However, when Oswald was first brought out from the elevator exit into the hallway leading to the press... I immediately had a sick feeling of intuitive dread. He looked so wide open, I couldn't believe it. Just two guys on his side. Practically parading Oswald even a little in front of them? I really felt that dread. He was just too open! I once went to a "Howdy Doody" Buffalo Bob Smith appearance in San Jose when I was younger. They had three times the body surrounding security Oswald had! Kids who got too worked up and charged at them were slapped away. Then just a few seconds later..."BOOM!" Ruby whacked Oswald! Had him "wide open" for his gut shot! Without thinking my body leaped off my bed and I stood there in shock yelling over and over..."NO WAY!" "NO WAY!" " NO WAY!" I "knew" there was something way beyond simple DPD negligence or improbability coincidence wrong with what I had just witnessed on live national TV. That was the birthplace of my life-long sense of serious suspicion and doubt about the JFK event and the later official finding that it was just a lucky Oswald who did JFK and same with Jack Ruby doing Oswald in defending the honor of Jackie Kennedy. After childhood and adolescence, everyone soon learns the world is a great and often stark mix of good and bad, danger and safety, wealth and poverty, suffering and joy, war and peace, life and death, anger and happiness, abuse and loving nurturing, bad luck and good luck. Generally, thankfully, in the industrialized countries the balance is almost always tilted in favor of the good to a degree that most live a relatively decent to good life when it's all said and done. You think of the good much more than the bad. Of course that's the healthy thing to do.

Austin Barbeque restaurant waitress states Ruby, Tippit, Oswald knew each other. DPD officer J.D. Tippit worked at the same restaurant. Haven't read JM's "Into The Nightmare" however, wondering what McBride's take on this waitress was. She was employed at Austin's for 1 1/2 or more years. She knew Tippit well. She says Jack Ruby was always trying to get her to work at the Carousel and one assumes as a stripper. She must have been physically attractive. According to this former waitress her co-worker Austin Restaurant waitress Johnny Maxie Witherspoon was reportedly the woman J.D. Tippit was having an affair with. Witherspoon was married during the affair. Ms. Witherspoon reportedly denied living on 10th street near where J.D. Tippit was murdered. This interview co-worker waitress stated in this interview that Witherspoon did live on 10th street. Who's lying here? What an important witness to call to testify for anyone investigating Tippit's murder. But she never was? Joe McBride's comments on this Austin Barbeque waitress and her claims of seeing Tippit sitting with Ruby and all three together ( Oswald included ) at least once? 51:48NOW PLAYING "Ms. X"—witness who knew that J.D. Tippit, Lee Oswald & Jack Ruby all knew each other

In 1974 we had Nixon and his entire staff and their Plumbers perp crew convicted of the most serious executive branch constitutional crisis level crimes with mountains of solid, rock hard, heavy weight and beyond a reasonable doubt evidence. Shocking mind blowing tapes full of the most incriminating comments. Directly involved staff turning on each other and confessing crimes ( live on national TV! ) to get plea deals. Documentation regards "CREEP" and other illegal actions. It took that mountain of evidence and public confessional testimony to prove the Watergate crimes and others and bring the guilty parties to jail term justice. All went to prison except Ford pardoned Nixon. Here we have TC making a bunker buster bomb pronouncement regards JFK's assassination and the CIA that if true is a more important crime than Watergate. A crime that if investigated and proven true would rock our society more than Nixon and Watergate. Since this charge ( if true ) is by far a more important American society effecting crime than Watergate...it is going to take Watergate level evidence and testimony to ever see justice done to the perps.. imo anyways. Where is it? So far we have nothing! NOTHING! Except TC's claim? E. Howard Hunt made the same claim as TC ... on tape! Yes, an end of life, barely able to speak and maybe son's interest helping circumstances one. Yet E. Howard Hunt was a true deepest imbedded insider! And he gave names, dates, locations, motivations! One other insider (Morita Lorenz) even corroborated some of Hunt's confessional story. Phillips finally admitted to his brother he was in Dallas at that time. William Harvey had a weak excuse saying he wasn't. Hunt's own family could not verify Hunt's presence during that day. Frank Sturgis hinted JFK was taken out by more than Oswald. That's a heck of a lot of at least circumstantial evidence...more than we have here with the great and respected OZ ( I mean tv news commentator ) Carlson. Decorated Special Forces Colonel Dan Marvin made a similar claim on video tape. He was ignored totally. Long time LBJ mistress Madeline Brown told the world publicly and in her book that LBJ told her in a cursing rage that it was big oil and those damn intelligence renegades who did JFK... but, again she and her LBJ confessional story were simply made up as the spoutings of a financially scorned and attention seeking ex-mistress loon. TC and his history shocking claim should be held to a standard of evidential verification as high and as strict as Watergate. If it never comes to this or even close to this, do we then downplay this latest TC hugely redeeming praised, false flag, let down non-story? Where's the honesty and integrity line here? Outside of TC's big news announcement...what do we have so far in evidence comparison? The "one" whistle blower unknown and unwilling to show himself? No tapes, no documents, no smoking gun hard evidence? Now we're even having some here making sympathetic comments about TC's source never coming forward because he or she could be harmed? Career wise and physically? This is all letting TC off the hook if nothing more comes to verify his shocking crime of the century claim imo. I didn't get into all the immediate and over-the-top redeeming of TC of his decades of nation dividing and Trump defending democrat liberal bashing trash talk propaganda just over this one initial block buster news flash story regards JFK. If TC's mind blowing, nationally reported JFK/CIA claim ends up being proven I would be shocked ...almost into silence which would be a first for me as a known inveterate non-stop talker and poster. It all brings back to mind that old TV commercial..."WHERE'S THE BEEF?"

Agree totally.

Yes, truly. Thank you for this thoughtful and well-intentioned heads up.