Bill Brown

We can discuss just how effectively Oswald did or did not wipe down the rifle 'til the cows come home. But, this discussion started because it was suggested that Oswald was not the shooter because the sniper's nest shooter was seen in a light-colored shirt. The point is that even if the sniper's nest shooter was seen only in a light-colored shirt, it doesn't do anything to suggest that this shooter was not Oswald, since Oswald was indeed wearing a light-colored T-shirt under the brown arrest shirt that day. It's no huge task to sit up there in the sniper's nest only in the T-shirt and then put on the brown arrest shirt at some point between the sniper's nest and the 2nd floor lunchroom.

You're not making sense. Dart weapons, by their very nature, don't fire bullets.

"There was more weight in bullet fragments contained in Governor Connally's wrist than what was lost from Commission number 399." This simply is not true. One hundred test bullets from the four lots were weighed. It was determined (weighed on a precision balance) that the average of these test bullets weighed 160.8 grains. 399 weighed 158.6 grains, 2.2 grains of lost weight (assuming for a moment that 399 was the median). Let me ask you, how many grains do you feel were "contained in Governor Connally's wrist"?

"The rifle was not wiped down. Period." The rifle was not wiped down with 100% effectiveness. But, still wiped down somewhat.

"This is similar to the WC's gambit with Brennan. He ID'ed Oswald as the man on hr sixth floor under the proviso he was not wearing the dark brown shirt whose fibers were found on the rifle. The WC ignored him and pretended that both were true--that he ID'ed Oswald and that Oswald was wearing the shirt Brennan insisted was not the shirt worn by the shooter." Oswald was wearing only the white T-shirt while waiting up on the sixth floor. After firing the shots, he wipes the rifle down with the brown arrest shirt as he makes his way across the sixth floor, causing a tuft of microscopic fibers to become lodged in the crevice between the butt plate and the wooden stock.

"It penetrated less than a fingers depth." Nonsense. This is not how bullets work in the real world. What kind of weapon and/or ammunition do you suppose was used which would result in a bullet penetrating less than three inches into soft tissue?

Stevie Ray Vaughan grew up in Oak Cliff, was a frequent visitor of the Top Ten Records store on Jefferson and is buried in Laurel Land Memorial Park not far from J.D. Tippit.

Translation: A lot of people want to partake in ill-advised speculation about the Elrod story without knowing a damn thing about the real. actual testimonial record. The human mind craves a mystery more than it desires the truth.

Oswald was the only prisoner in Cell Block F. What would a map of the cells tell you? There were three cells in F Block and I'm pretty sure Oswald was kept in the middle cell. The cells on each side were empty.

(Sigh) And where, other than Oswald, does it list any other prisoner from Cell Block F making or receiving calls? Oswald was placed in Cell Block F, which consisted of only three cells. Oswald was placed in one cell; the other two were empty, i.e. Oswald was the only prisoner in the entire cell block.

Yep, fully aware. But those cells were empty. No other prisoners were anywhere near Oswald for that entire weekend. Oswald was placed in Cell Block F, which consisted of only three cells. Oswald was placed in one cell; the other two were empty, i.e. Oswald was the only prisoner in the entire cell block.

It's laughable to believe that Oswald would have been placed in a cell with (or alongside) other prisoners where he could have "talked" to them at all. The testimonial record tells you that Oswald was completely segregated.

What do you think Bill? I think Frank Wright gets outside and looks down the street way too fast for Burt and Smith to already be down there in the car. I think Burt and Smith were out in the front yard of the house at the corner of Tenth and Denver, exactly as Smith testifies to during his Warren Commission testimony and exactly as Burt describes to Chapman in the 1968 interview I linked to above.

David Josephs said: "You're amazingly good at finding things.. any chance you can set your sights on what the "ID Number 54018" might reference and lead to, as that last entry on the copy on the left?" Steve Thomas said: "David, No, but it;s larger than the number above it, and looks like it might be written in the same hand as the person who wrote "Assault to Murder OFF# (offense #?) F85964" about 2/3 of the way down the page. That's kind of what makes me think it's a District Attorney's reference number, rather than a Department of Police number Steve Thomas" @Steve Thomas@David Josephs 54018 was the identification number assigned to Oswald for his mugshot. Am I missing something obvious or did you two not know about this? This is JFK Assassination 101.

We're talking about a split second. My opinion is that all of the shots were fired from across the hood in a period of two to three seconds from the first to the last.

Bill Smith told the Warren Commission that he heard the shots and saw Tippit fall to the ground and the killer run off. He couldn't have seen such a thing from 9th and Denver.

You don't understand. The shooting occurred as Benavides was approaching the patrol car. He heard the shots and hit the brakes about fifteen feet before reaching the spot. If he would have "mashed the gas pedal", he would have placed himself in the line of fire had the shooting continued.

Would you drive through the scene of an ongoing shooting or would you do like Benavides did and stop a few feet before the scene?

Both Jimmy Burt and Bill Smith tell us that they were in the front yard of the house on the corner of Tenth and Denver and saw Tippit talking to a man who was walking.

Burt and Smith were in the front yard at Tenth and Denver and literally watched Tippit pull over and they saw the guy walk over to the patrol car. Benavides was 15 feet away when the shooting occurred. Again, The REAL witnesses, people who were actually outdoors at the time and watched the whole thing go down (people like Bill Smith, Jimmy Burt, Domingo Benavides, Helen Markham and William Scoggins) all describe Tippit encountering only one man and that he fled on foot down Patton.

Well said. You and I can agree on this.

The ballistics evidence was clearly tampered with. An experienced cop is not going to confuse revolver shells for automatic shells, and vice versa. It is easy to tell them apart, especially since .38 automatic shells are marked ".38 AUTO" on the bottom. This is just silly. First, are you even aware of exactly how many witnesses described watching the killer manually remove the shells from the revolver? You realize the killer would not need to manually remove shells from an automatic weapon. Right? Second, automatic shells are ejected automatically (duh) from the weapon after each round is fired off. If these shells were automatic shells, how did they come to be found as far away as 100 feet from where the killer was standing as he fired each round? If these shells were automatics, they would have been found on the ground right there at the patrol car. The wrong fingerprints on the front passenger door and the right front fender of Tippit's car. But, if the killer didn't touch the car, then the prints aren't relevant. Markedly contradictory descriptions of the shooter... Happens all the time. If four witnesses watch a guy rob a convenient store at gunpoint, the police are most likely going to get four different physical descriptions. Welcome to the real world. ...and of the number of shooters and of how they left the scene. The REAL witnesses, people who were actually outdoors at the time and watched the whole thing go down (people like Bill Smith, Jimmy Burt, Domingo Benavides, Helen Markham and William Scoggins) all describe Tippit encountering only one man and that he fled on foot down Patton. A shooter who was supposedly so utterly stupid that he emptied his shells in the immediate vicinity of the crime--yup, that's totally believable. Again, you don't know what you're talking about here. There were witnesses who literally watched the killer throw shells to the ground.

Your ability to robotically make pro-WC assumptions and ignore contrary evidence is truly impressive. First off, Markham said that she was alone with Tippit for "about 20 minutes" after he was shot, and that Tippit tried to talk to her during this time. In her FBI interview on the day of the shooting, she also said the killer had a "red complexion." But, nah, just never you mind the truck-sized holes in her story, right? Just cherry-pick the few things she said that support your mythology and ignore everything else. You're all over the place. No one's talking about Markham. As for Benavides, before he knew what he was supposed to say, he logically and credibly told Ted Calloway that after the shots rang out, he fell down to the floorboard of his truck because he was scared to death, and "stayed there": When I heard that shooting, I fell down into the floorboard of my truck and I stayed there. It scared me to death. Gee, does this sound like he only "stayed" in the truck for a few seconds? No, of course not. This makes no sense. No. You're confused. No one is saying that Benavides stayed in his truck for a few seconds. Benavides stayed in his truck for probably 45 seconds to a minute. He stayed in his truck while watching the killer go around the corner and THEN he waited a few seconds before getting out. But common sense goes out the window whenever you guys need it to disappear to avoid admitting the lone-gunman theory is implausible and contrary to the best evidence. So claiming that Whaley picked Knapp out of the lineup instead of Oswald (even though Whaley specifically tells us that he picked out the guy who was bawling out the police and and was complaining about being placed alongside teens) is using common sense? This makes total sense. It's what any rational person would do in such a situation. It's completely understandable. If you were only 25-50 feet away from a shooting and feared you could be the next target, how long would you wait until coming out into the open? I guarantee you that you'd wait a lot longer than a few seconds. This confirms for me that you don't know what you're talking about. Benavides was fifteen feet away. Your biggest fault seems to be that you are clueless on most of the subjects you post about. And again, No one is saying Benavides waited only a few seconds before getting out. You seem to be unaware that Benavides said he waited a second or two AFTER the killer went around the corner.

"At the time I was just approaching the squad car, I noticed this young white male with both hands in the pockets of his zippered jacket leaning over the passenger side of the squad car. This young white male was looking into the squad car from the passenger side." -- Jack Tatum (to HSCA investigators Jack Moriarty and Joe Basteri)