Bill Brown

Yep. I've seen it said many times that Oswald shows disgust upon being notified that he has indeed been charged with murdering the President. I disagree. I think Oswald is disappointed that the very short "press conference" is over.

Reporter: "Nobody said what. Nobody said what." Then Oswald looks at the guy. Then the guy explains "We can't hear you back here." Then Curry is heard saying "Okay men. Okay." Upon hearing Curry (behind him) call for an end to the party, Oswald shows disgust.

I completely agree. The premise of this thread is ridiculous.

It's a credibility thing.

Now you're twisting it around. I didn't say matter-of-factly that the shooter was wearing a T-shirt. I simply said that just because witnesses describe the sniper's nest shooter as wearing a light-colored shirt does not rule out Oswald as this shooter.

No. You're cherry-picking my comment. First, we were talking about bullets (or, at least I was). Second, what happened to this mysterious dart? It evaporated? It was made of ice? C'mon man.

"But as we know, the witnesses in the Tippit murder are all over the place about whether or not Oswald did it or not or whether two other men did it, etc." This simply is not true. The real witnesses, people who were actually outdoors and saw pretty much the entire thing go down (Burt, Smith, Benavides, Markham and Scoggins), ALL said Tippit encountered just one man.

We can discuss just how effectively Oswald did or did not wipe down the rifle 'til the cows come home. But, this discussion started because it was suggested that Oswald was not the shooter because the sniper's nest shooter was seen in a light-colored shirt. The point is that even if the sniper's nest shooter was seen only in a light-colored shirt, it doesn't do anything to suggest that this shooter was not Oswald, since Oswald was indeed wearing a light-colored T-shirt under the brown arrest shirt that day. It's no huge task to sit up there in the sniper's nest only in the T-shirt and then put on the brown arrest shirt at some point between the sniper's nest and the 2nd floor lunchroom.

You're not making sense. Dart weapons, by their very nature, don't fire bullets.

"There was more weight in bullet fragments contained in Governor Connally's wrist than what was lost from Commission number 399." This simply is not true. One hundred test bullets from the four lots were weighed. It was determined (weighed on a precision balance) that the average of these test bullets weighed 160.8 grains. 399 weighed 158.6 grains, 2.2 grains of lost weight (assuming for a moment that 399 was the median). Let me ask you, how many grains do you feel were "contained in Governor Connally's wrist"?

"The rifle was not wiped down. Period." The rifle was not wiped down with 100% effectiveness. But, still wiped down somewhat.

"This is similar to the WC's gambit with Brennan. He ID'ed Oswald as the man on hr sixth floor under the proviso he was not wearing the dark brown shirt whose fibers were found on the rifle. The WC ignored him and pretended that both were true--that he ID'ed Oswald and that Oswald was wearing the shirt Brennan insisted was not the shirt worn by the shooter." Oswald was wearing only the white T-shirt while waiting up on the sixth floor. After firing the shots, he wipes the rifle down with the brown arrest shirt as he makes his way across the sixth floor, causing a tuft of microscopic fibers to become lodged in the crevice between the butt plate and the wooden stock.

"It penetrated less than a fingers depth." Nonsense. This is not how bullets work in the real world. What kind of weapon and/or ammunition do you suppose was used which would result in a bullet penetrating less than three inches into soft tissue?

Stevie Ray Vaughan grew up in Oak Cliff, was a frequent visitor of the Top Ten Records store on Jefferson and is buried in Laurel Land Memorial Park not far from J.D. Tippit.

Translation: A lot of people want to partake in ill-advised speculation about the Elrod story without knowing a damn thing about the real. actual testimonial record. The human mind craves a mystery more than it desires the truth.

Oswald was the only prisoner in Cell Block F. What would a map of the cells tell you? There were three cells in F Block and I'm pretty sure Oswald was kept in the middle cell. The cells on each side were empty.

(Sigh) And where, other than Oswald, does it list any other prisoner from Cell Block F making or receiving calls? Oswald was placed in Cell Block F, which consisted of only three cells. Oswald was placed in one cell; the other two were empty, i.e. Oswald was the only prisoner in the entire cell block.

Yep, fully aware. But those cells were empty. No other prisoners were anywhere near Oswald for that entire weekend. Oswald was placed in Cell Block F, which consisted of only three cells. Oswald was placed in one cell; the other two were empty, i.e. Oswald was the only prisoner in the entire cell block.

It's laughable to believe that Oswald would have been placed in a cell with (or alongside) other prisoners where he could have "talked" to them at all. The testimonial record tells you that Oswald was completely segregated.

What do you think Bill? I think Frank Wright gets outside and looks down the street way too fast for Burt and Smith to already be down there in the car. I think Burt and Smith were out in the front yard of the house at the corner of Tenth and Denver, exactly as Smith testifies to during his Warren Commission testimony and exactly as Burt describes to Chapman in the 1968 interview I linked to above.

David Josephs said: "You're amazingly good at finding things.. any chance you can set your sights on what the "ID Number 54018" might reference and lead to, as that last entry on the copy on the left?" Steve Thomas said: "David, No, but it;s larger than the number above it, and looks like it might be written in the same hand as the person who wrote "Assault to Murder OFF# (offense #?) F85964" about 2/3 of the way down the page. That's kind of what makes me think it's a District Attorney's reference number, rather than a Department of Police number Steve Thomas" @Steve Thomas@David Josephs 54018 was the identification number assigned to Oswald for his mugshot. Am I missing something obvious or did you two not know about this? This is JFK Assassination 101.

We're talking about a split second. My opinion is that all of the shots were fired from across the hood in a period of two to three seconds from the first to the last.

Bill Smith told the Warren Commission that he heard the shots and saw Tippit fall to the ground and the killer run off. He couldn't have seen such a thing from 9th and Denver.

You don't understand. The shooting occurred as Benavides was approaching the patrol car. He heard the shots and hit the brakes about fifteen feet before reaching the spot. If he would have "mashed the gas pedal", he would have placed himself in the line of fire had the shooting continued.