Craig Lamson Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I guess Todd is now OFF-duty, Jack. Well, it is quite clear SOMEONE is OFF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Last night I had a sudden Aha! moment.As we know the so-called Zapruder film was 25' 8mm, really 16mm with a Side A and a Side B, which were then slit apart. A & B were usually joined back together for a continuous 50' of film. The Zfilm was different. It was left as two 25' separate films. A...the Zapruder grandchildren playing B...the president getting done in on Elm You never hear much about the A side of the film, except that IT EXISTED. I have never seen it at all. You know all about the B side of the film, except what happened to the rest of the "blank" film after the assassination part? Did someone just snip it off and discard it? But back to the A side of the film...the Z grandchildren. I got to thinking about them. Why were they there? Just what WAS the A side of the film? THEN IT SUDDENLY DAWNED ON ME. The A side of the film was there TO AUTHENTICATE ABE TAKING THE FILM. If someone else actually took the film, some could claim that he did not take the film. So how to authenticate the film? 1. Have him show up at Channel 8 claiming he took the film, and 2. HAVE THE "A SIDE" OF THE FILM SHOW HIS GRANDCHILDREN. I think the "A side" should be examined. Jack Jack, Sorry, but that's not much of an "aha! moment. While the A side has been removed from the original film in the Arcives, the A side is present in both Secret Service First Day copies of the film in the Archives. Images of it have appeared in Esquire and possibly Argosy in the 1970s, and in Trask's book on the Zapruder film. Do you have Trask's book on the Z film? Todd deliver us an un-slit, b&w version of the alleged in-camera original Zapruder film.... then we can talk, till then... who cares about TRASK'S book? Stay focused, Todd! Have you read TGZFH? Who care's about Trask's book? Well, YOU should, as it contains an image from an unslit BW copy of the original film. Do you have Trask's book? Now THAT really is an AHA moment. You apparently are unfamiliar with the SIGNIFICANCE of what you said. You are unfamiliar with HORNE IV, which tells of the significance of the UNSLIT BW COPY. Read Horne IV and get back to us! Jack I guess Todd is now OFF-duty, Jack. Ridiculous, as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Jack I have never seen the A side, I do however have a frame dowloaded on my computer I wonder if Zapruder was just givin back that side of the film after it was cut? Or maybe the 6th FM got that side with all of the Zapruder stuff that was with the camera original I would love to see that part of the film as well Dean, To see some of the A side go to…. http://jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?...id=sfm:1999.042 …and click on “Expand View”. Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) I could swear that I saw the grandchildren's sequence at the "head" of Z up on YouTube a while ago, but now there's only this Sitzman-Hester bit online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrb1Po3-qA0...feature=related Edited January 22, 2010 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Dean,To see some of the A side go to…. http://jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?...id=sfm:1999.042 …and click on “Expand View”. Todd Thanks Todd I have seen the 6th FM copy many times and in fact just showed my grandpa a couple days ago as he had never seen the part with Lillian Rogers Edited January 22, 2010 by Dean Hagerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,To see some of the A side go to…. http://jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?...id=sfm:1999.042 …and click on “Expand View”. Todd Thanks Todd I have seen the 6th FM copy many times and in fact just showed my grandpa a couple days ago as he had never seen the part with Lillian Hernandez Lillian Rogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,To see some of the A side go to…. http://jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?...id=sfm:1999.042 …and click on “Expand View”. Todd Thanks Todd I have seen the 6th FM copy many times and in fact just showed my grandpa a couple days ago as he had never seen the part with Lillian Hernandez Where is the part with the grandchildren in the yard? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Last night I had a sudden Aha! moment.As we know the so-called Zapruder film was 25' 8mm, really 16mm with a Side A and a Side B, which were then slit apart. A & B were usually joined back together for a continuous 50' of film. The Zfilm was different. It was left as two 25' separate films. A...the Zapruder grandchildren playing B...the president getting done in on Elm You never hear much about the A side of the film, except that IT EXISTED. I have never seen it at all. You know all about the B side of the film, except what happened to the rest of the "blank" film after the assassination part? Did someone just snip it off and discard it? But back to the A side of the film...the Z grandchildren. I got to thinking about them. Why were they there? Just what WAS the A side of the film? THEN IT SUDDENLY DAWNED ON ME. The A side of the film was there TO AUTHENTICATE ABE TAKING THE FILM. If someone else actually took the film, some could claim that he did not take the film. So how to authenticate the film? 1. Have him show up at Channel 8 claiming he took the film, and 2. HAVE THE "A SIDE" OF THE FILM SHOW HIS GRANDCHILDREN. I think the "A side" should be examined. Jack Jack, Sorry, but that's not much of an "aha! moment. While the A side has been removed from the original film in the Arcives, the A side is present in both Secret Service First Day copies of the film in the Archives. Images of it have appeared in Esquire and possibly Argosy in the 1970s, and in Trask's book on the Zapruder film. Do you have Trask's book on the Z film? Todd deliver us an un-slit, b&w version of the alleged in-camera original Zapruder film.... then we can talk, till then... who cares about TRASK'S book? Stay focused, Todd! Have you read TGZFH? Who care's about Trask's book? Well, YOU should, as it contains an image from an unslit BW copy of the original film. Do you have Trask's book? your assigned today, eh? well, now listen son.... for those simple and feint-hearted deliver us an un-slit, b&w version of the alleged in-camera original Zapruder film and again, who cares about Trask or Wrone? Am I "assigned today"? You're absurd. And you didn't answer my question. Do you have Trask's book? when one posts exclusively from WENDY'S resturants, what are we to think, Todd? THINK film son, as in the ***entire*** unslit film strip.... not frame. So, again, who cares about a Trask or a Wrone book concerning the subject matter? Just another opinion! Edited January 22, 2010 by David G. Healy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Dean,To see some of the A side go to…. http://jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?...id=sfm:1999.042 …and click on “Expand View”. Todd Thanks Todd I have seen the 6th FM copy many times and in fact just showed my grandpa a couple days ago as he had never seen the part with Lillian Hernandez Lillian Rogers I changed it I dont know why in the hell I wrote Hernandez? Edited January 22, 2010 by Dean Hagerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,To see some of the A side go to…. http://jfk.org/go/collections/item-detail?...id=sfm:1999.042 …and click on “Expand View”. Todd Thanks Todd I have seen the 6th FM copy many times and in fact just showed my grandpa a couple days ago as he had never seen the part with Lillian Hernandez Lillian Rogers I changed it I dont know why in the hell I wrote Hernandez? Who is Lillian Rogers? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) She was Zappys assistant and the woman in the Z-film that you see talking on the phone and messing with clothes that Zappy filmed before the assassination Edited January 22, 2010 by Dean Hagerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Haley Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Just an observation, there doesn't seem to be much 'Full Flush Left' going on in that frame of Zapruder's Grand Child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Just an observation, there doesn't seem to be much 'Full Flush Left' going on in that frame of Zapruder's Grand Child. Just an observation. You don't have a clue what you are talking about..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) She was Zappys assistant and the woman in the Z-film that you see talking on the phone and messing with clothes that Zappy filmed before the assassination You are correct Dean. ! Lillian Rogers is seen in a segment fom the Z-Film. The Abraham Zapruder film is acknowledged to be the definitive view of the death of President Kennedy, for it is the only known movie showing the entire assassination sequence. Experts still debate over exactly what it does show and what is not clearly revealed. The film reel begins with family scenes of Zapruder’s grandchildren (not seen here), then shows his office assistant, Lillian Rogers, at her desk the morning of the assassination. After filming two of his coworkers in Dealey Plaza, Zapruder filmed the approaching motorcade from a pedestal above and to the right of the parade route. A U.S. Congressional committee confiscated the original film from the Zapruder family in 1997; after being compensated by the U.S. government, the family donated copies of the film and color transparencies of each frame, as well as the film’s copyright, to The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in 1999. (Note: two extremely short pre-assassination scenes, one in Zapruder’s office and one in Dealey Plaza, are not included here until film restoration work has been completed.) Date 1963-11-22 Collection Zapruder Collection Object Number 1999.042 Edited January 23, 2010 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) Edited: Duplicate Post Edited January 23, 2010 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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