James DiEugenio Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 After listening to that, Scorsese could have never made something like JFK. He is just not the thinker that Oliver Stone is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 It's sad to see the mob did it Joe Kennedy the bootlegger lies still being thrown at the public as true history. Some seeing the film will believe that aspect of it is the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Couteau Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Scorsese's message seems to be: We should empathize with mobsters, they are simply regular guys who ended up in a bad position, nothing sociopathic at all about them or what they do to their victims. And things like the JFK assassination are too abstract to ponder, not the proper ingredients for interpersonal drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) On 9/30/2019 at 3:02 AM, James DiEugenio said: After listening to that, Scorsese could have never made something like JFK. He is just not the thinker that Oliver Stone is. See The Wolf of Wall Street if you want to see some thinkin'. See Goodfellas if you want to see film narrative revolutionized (in its time). Edited October 3, 2019 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Prutsok Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 9:52 PM, Ron Bulman said: It's sad to see the mob did it Joe Kennedy the bootlegger lies still being thrown at the public as true history. Some seeing the film will believe that aspect of it is the truth. I heard Brian Cox, who's starring in a new LBJ play, on MSNBC this morning talking about Johnson and Kennedy some. Of course he mentioned that Vietnam was "all JFK's thing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 1:46 PM, Rob Couteau said: So true. Take any single sequence from Fellini's La Dolce Vita, 8 1/2, or Amarcord, and you have a higher level of artistic achievement than you do in the entire oeuvre of many contemporary filmmakers. Amarcord is my all-time favorite movie-- bar none-- partly because the characters in the Rimini epic remind me of my Slovenian aunts and uncles. I've probably watched it at least a dozen times over the years, and I'll watch it again, any time. As for great movies about Christ, let's not omit Franco Zeferelli's magnificent Roman Catholic opus, Jesus of Nazareth, featuring, perhaps, the most star-studded cast in any film ever made-- from Laurence Olivier to Anthony Quinn, Christopher Plummer, Michael York, Ann Bancroft, Rod Steiger, and Olivia Hussey. IMO, Kazantzakis was far too Nietzschean to portray Christ accurately-- and I say that as a former Nietzschean atheist who has been a convert in the Russian Orthodox Church (ROCOR) for the past quarter century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Couteau Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 On 10/4/2019 at 8:00 PM, W. Niederhut said: Kazantzakis was far too Nietzschean to portray Christ accurately He was indeed Nietzsche obsessed. But like any great novelist I doubt it was his intention to portray an "accurate" historical Christ. Instead it was to portray a Kazantzakis Christ. BTW his memoir Report to Greco is pretty amazing. Have you seen Fellini's City of Women? I think that is an underrated little marvel. And prescient. And very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) I wonder how much the JFK assassination part of The Irishman's script will be taken seriously or commented on by the film critics and JFK researcher community? Damn, I wish before I die that someone would make a major A list film about the iconic Dorothy Kilgallen with at least some mention of her connection to the JFK event. Her remarkably achieving high society and national fame life as well as her totally suspicious and intriguingly tragic end of life death/murder is of much more interesting significance and importance than was Jimmy Hoffa's imo. And a Kilgallen film would be 10 times more attractive and interesting to America's women of all ages because her life truly was so famously and courageously achieving and at a time when men still ruled the roost, even without the JFK intrigue part of her life at the end. Cast our most revered and highest star power actor Meryl Streep as Kilgallen ( even a younger one with the same techniques they are using in this Scorsese film ) and you'd have a block buster film that would appeal to both sexes besides this strictly macho male tough guy centered one "The Irishman." Streep even has a not too different face and chin than Kilgallen. And Streep's over-all attractiveness would make her Kilgallen character even easier to watch and relate to, as Costner's portrayal of Jim Garrison did in JFK. Edited October 7, 2019 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 20 hours ago, Rob Couteau said: He was indeed Nietzsche obsessed. But like any great novelist I doubt it was his intention to portray an "accurate" historical Christ. Instead it was to portray a Kazantzakis Christ. BTW his memoir Report to Greco is pretty amazing. Have you seen Fellini's City of Women? I think that is an underrated little marvel. And prescient. And very funny. Great film. I think I own copies of every film Fellini ever made, including I Vitellone, which he produced for Italian television back in the day. Satyricon is another Fellini masterpiece-- based on the extant fragments of the Petronius manuscript from the first century A.D. (And the Fellini film, itself, consists of fragmented vignettes.) Watching Fellini's Satyricon is like time traveling to the first century Roman Empire during the reign of Nero. It offers a profound, detailed view of the pre-Christian, pagan culture of that era. And Fellini brings it to life in a way that Hollywood never could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Mark: You are going to compare Stone's JFK and what it says about Kennedy, Vietnam and the Cold War to Scorsese's Wolf movie and what that says about the Meltdown of 2007? As per Goodfellas, I have no idea how it revolutionized anything, since I walked out about halfway through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Mark: You are going to compare Stone's JFK and what it says about Kennedy, Vietnam and the Cold War to Scorsese's Wolf movie and what that says about the Meltdown of 2007? As per Goodfellas, I have no idea how it revolutionized anything, since I walked out about halfway through. Delete Edited October 8, 2019 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Thorne Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Re Kilgallen, this was posted on the Crazy Days and Nights Hollywood gossip site in February, and I might have posted this before here. FWIW, that site is a mixture of sleazy tabloid party gossip, and accurate ‘blind items’ posted by an anonymous entertainment lawyer in LA. During the Weinstein ‘Me Too’ saga that led to the closure of Miramax, the site accurately posted a lot of stories about imminent legal activities the day before they happened. The text is from CDaN, and the decrypt at bottom from another site after CDaN posted it. VARIETY story as precursor to the below. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/variety.com/2018/film/news/dowdle-brothers-dorothy-kilgallen-project-1202724232/amp/ ...... They were supposed to make a movie about the cause of her death. They didn't. Apparently the few surviving people who were going to speak to this A list writer/director/producer mostly horror team were warned off. Why warned off after so many years? I mean it has been decades since this A list celebrity/writer/game show fixture was killed. It is because of who did it and their connection to powers that be who are alive today and don't want to be exposed.The A lister who was killed was very respected at her job. She wasn't a quack. She might have done gossip, but she dug deep and unearthed coverups. She was responsible for the release of a suspected murderer in one of the most famous cases of all time. When she got him out, she focused all of her attention on proving that an entire government commission had been bought off/paid off/blackmailed into saying one thing when it was an entirely different thing. Now, when she died, our A lister was not killed by a bunch of guys who stormed her apartment. Her husband and son were home, but in another room. The couple rarely slept together. Our A lister was known for drinking the same thing every night and filling her pill prescription the same day of each month at the same pharmacy. That is how it was done. They gave her the same pills as usual, but just jacked up in effectiveness. The day night she picked up her new altered prescription is the night she died.Her death was so suspicious that the federal government and Congress investigated. The word was put out to let it go and so it was. I was really hoping the filmmakers were going to, with the help of their A+ list sometime partner/writer/director/producer the initialed one who just had an installment of his franchise released, but they all backed down.A list celebrity/writer/game show: Dorothy KilgallenA list writer/director/producer mostly horror team: Erick Dowdle and Drew DowdleRelease of suspected murderer in one of the most famous cases: Dr. Sam SheppardGovernment Commission: Warren Commission/John F. Kennedy assassination A+ list sometime partner/writer/director/producer: M. Night Shyamalan Edited October 7, 2019 by Anthony Thorne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Did I say in another thread that there were some things on the internet that I had to turn my face from in disgust? I can't do it with Crazy Days and Nights, though it more accurately than not portrays Hollywood and politics as cesspits of yielded-to temptations outstripping the depravity of any previous age. The trouble is, CDAN has made itself indispensable reading and reference. Recommended to all, with my deepest shame. The Videodrome* of internet sites. *Prizes to you if you know what I'm referring to. Thanks, Anthony, for the tip(-off). Edited October 7, 2019 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Thorne Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Dave, I heard a funny story from VIDEO WATCHDOG and Tarantino/New Beverly promo guy Tim Lucas years ago - he was on the VIDEODROME set - that Cronenberg had been initially inspired to write VIDEODROME after being given a walk around tour of the Ontario censorship board. Cronenberg and the guy showing him around had been discussing stuff being cut out of movies, and the guy said to Cronenberg, have a look at this, and screened him clips from Joe D'Amato's 1977 film EMANUELLE IN AMERICA. That's the notorious movie where actress Laura Gemser, as Emanuelle, goes undercover in the European fashion industry as a photojournalist, and uncovers a snuff pornography ring, with D'Amato recreating the snuff films in scratched 16mm and bringing in make-up effects guru Giannetto De Rossi to depict what happens to the unfortunate actresses. Lucas hung around during the VIDEODROME shoot and saw them change the ending and revise the story of the film multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) I never much cared for the film, but concepts from it have stayed with me for decades, which says something. It's something Paul Schrader could have written, like Hardcore. Now I have to download this and re-evaluate... Edited October 8, 2019 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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