Marilyn Monroe & a new book which mentions JFK/RFK

[James DiEugenio]

1.  To Joe McBride:  She was there at the invitation of Dean Martin with her fiancee Joe DiMaggio. 

Martin had helped her in the battle over the last film she made Something's got to Give.

2.  This book is a reissue of a book that was first published many years ago.  It went through two revisions while the author was alive and now someone has revised it after the author was dead for 20 years.  It is not at all an apologia since the whole idea of an abortion is  a fantasy.  And these meetings with RFK are also not founded in fact.  There was no affair between the two, as even Randy Taraborelli admitted it in his 2009 book. 

It is true that Bobby Kennedy was in Gilroy.  Apparently Pamela has not seen the series of photos taken there covering from morning to night on the day MM died.  As I mentioned they are in Susan Bernard's book.  Are we going to say that somehow those pictures are forgeries, and the 11 or so people who were there are all lying? The next morning RFK was in church and it was reported on by the local paper.  Courtney Evans, who was the FBI liason with Kennedy, also reported on the visit to Gilroy, which was suggested by attorney John Bates, not RFK.  RFK was in the bay area to deliver a speech on Monday to a convention of the ABA in Frisco. That is why Bates, an accomplished lawyer, made the suggestion for the visit. On Sunday, Bates drove RFK and his family to Frisco--there is a picture of the Bates station wagon in the Bernard photos-- to stay at Red Fay's home as he studied up for the speech.

I don't see how one could ask for more corroboration: pictures, eyewitnesses, newspaper reports, FBI reports. I really don't.  That's not an apologia, that is evidence.

Edited April 29, 2020 by James DiEugenio

[Pamela Brown]

On 4/28/2020 at 7:41 PM, James DiEugenio said:

1.  To Joe McBride:  She was there at the invitation of Dean Martin with her fiancee Joe DiMaggio. 

Martin had helped her in the battle over the last film she made Something's got to Give.

2.  This book is a reissue of a book that was first published many years ago.  It went through two revisions while the author was alive and now someone has revised it after the author was dead for 20 years.  It is not at all an apologia since the whole idea of an abortion is  a fantasy.  And these meetings with RFK are also not founded in fact.  There was no affair between the two, as even Randy Taraborelli admitted it in his 2009 book. 

It is true that Bobby Kennedy was in Gilroy.  Apparently Pamela has not seen the series of photos taken there covering from morning to night on the day MM died.  As I mentioned they are in Susan Bernard's book.  Are we going to say that somehow those pictures are forgeries, and the 11 or so people who were there are all lying? The next morning RFK was in church and it was reported on by the local paper.  Courtney Evans, who was the FBI liason with Kennedy, also reported on the visit to Gilroy, which was suggested by attorney John Bates, not RFK.  RFK was in the bay area to deliver a speech on Monday to a convention of the ABA in Frisco. That is why Bates, an accomplished lawyer, made the suggestion for the visit. On Sunday, Bates drove RFK and his family to Frisco--there is a picture of the Bates station wagon in the Bernard photos-- to stay at Red Fay's home as he studied up for the speech.

I don't see how one could ask for more corroboration: pictures, eyewitnesses, newspaper reports, FBI reports. I really don't.  That's not an apologia, that is evidence.

I view all attempts to distance RFK from MM the night she died for what they are.  If RFK was not involved in any way, I think there would be no need for them...

[Pamela Brown]

On 4/27/2020 at 4:17 AM, Pete Mellor said:

Just by coincidence one of the U.K. tv channels had a programme on Monroe's death just the other evening.  Look forward to your review James.  The programme had it as another 'case closed' with RFK's two visits & him sending in the doctor with a fatal injection, witnessed by an L.A. cop + even Lawford later pointing the finger at the Kennedys.

I am beginning to wonder if the Kennedys are concerned about some new information coming out about MM's death. 

Edited May 1, 2020 by Pamela Brown

[James DiEugenio]

Wow.  Attempts to distance RFK?

Contemporaneous FBI reports; contemporaneous newspaper reports, 11 eyewitnesses, and 12 photographs from morning to night?  Bobby Kenendy was now anywhere near Brentwood that day or night.

There is no new info on this case.  And 90 per cent of the books are composed by people who base their stuff on lying stiffs.  I mean some of this stuff is just ludicrous.

I will detail the Marilyn Industry at length and in depth soon.  I am up to 20 pages.  Don McGovern's book is that good.

[Cory Santos]

On 4/30/2020 at 6:14 PM, Pamela Brown said:

I view all attempts to distance RFK from MM the night she died for what they are.  If RFK was not involved in any way, I think there would be no need for them...

Having interviewed prime sources, Marilyn was very connected to the mafia, including Giancana and especially Marcello.  I trust my prime sources over books to the contrary in this matter.  She was well connected to New Orleans. 

As to him being in LA, it is well documented that RFK was seen in Los Angeles that afternoon and evening-unless several witnesses (one being a police officer) all lied for no reason. Her housekeeper admitted it as did Peter Lawford's wife.  Did they lie?

As to the affairs, I give no opinion here but, researchers can choose to rely on books such as Anthony Summer's book and government documents which discuss it.  We can look at Marilyn's own words when she declared she was afraid of Peter Lawford.   Researchers can question why her publicist Patricia Newcomb went to work for RFK's campaign- after strangely leaving the country following MM's passing.   It should be noted Monroe's housekeeper also strangely left the country mere days after Monroe's passing.   A researcher must weigh Dr. Greenson's own words.   When questioned about what happened, he said to "talk to Bobby."

Edited May 2, 2020 by Cory Santos

[John Butler]

On ‎4‎/‎28‎/‎2020 at 8:41 PM, James DiEugenio said:

It is true that Bobby Kennedy was in Gilroy.  Apparently Pamela has not seen the series of photos taken there covering from morning to night on the day MM died.  As I mentioned they are in Susan Bernard's book.  Are we going to say that somehow those pictures are forgeries, and the 11 or so people who were there are all lying? The next morning RFK was in church and it was reported on by the local paper.  Courtney Evans, who was the FBI liason with Kennedy, also reported on the visit to Gilroy, which was suggested by attorney John Bates, not RFK.  RFK was in the bay area to deliver a speech on Monday to a convention of the ABA in Frisco. That is why Bates, an accomplished lawyer, made the suggestion for the visit. On Sunday, Bates drove RFK and his family to Frisco--there is a picture of the Bates station wagon in the Bernard photos-- to stay at Red Fay's home as he studied up for the speech.

Given the state of honesty amongst Democrats today, who can say if it was the same in the past.

[James DiEugenio]

John:

This is the nuttiness one gets into with this subject for the simple matter that so many dishonest people started off an industry.  One that the MSM has accepted.  

The pictures do not lie. The newspaper report does not lie.  The contemporaneous reports by the FBI before MM was reported dead do not lie.    And eleven people who had no interest in politics would not lie.

MM did not have any connection to Roselli and Giancana. Her career was not mob influenced.

The people who have tried to foster this myth about RFK being in Brentwood use some of the lousiest witnesses ever assembled.  They make Howard Brennan look OK.  If you are going to go to the likes of Sam Yorty, or a rightwing cop like Franklin, who actually has Lawford's car headed the wrong way, then we might as well just throw in the towel.  As per Eunice Murray, this gaggle of MM truthers ignores what Murray originally said and they got her to change her story--that is a no no.

In my article, which is now up to 24 pages, I will demonstrate how this all started with three BSers--Slatzer, Carmen and Smathers-- who Tony Summers used, and then others adapted.  And this ended up in the circus called Double Cross. 

Donald Wolfe might be the worst of all.

Edited May 2, 2020 by James DiEugenio

[Cliff Varnell]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Her career was not mob influenced.

How could anyone definitely “know” such a thing one way or another?

[Pamela Brown]

2 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

Having interviewed prime sources, Marilyn was very connected to the mafia, including Giancana and especially Marcello.  I trust my prime sources over books to the contrary in this matter.  She was well connected to New Orleans. 

As to him being in LA, it is well documented that RFK was seen in Los Angeles that afternoon and evening-unless several witnesses (one being a police officer) all lied for no reason. Her housekeeper admitted it as did Peter Lawford's wife.  Did they lie?

As to the affairs, I give no opinion here but, researchers can choose to rely on books such as Anthony Summer's book and government documents which discuss it.  We can look at Marilyn's own words when she declared she was afraid of Peter Lawford.   Researchers can question why her publicist Patricia Newcomb went to work for RFK's campaign- after strangely leaving the country following MM's passing.   It should be noted Monroe's housekeeper also strangely left the country mere days after Monroe's passing.   A researcher must weigh Dr. Greenson's own words.   When questioned about what happened, he said to "talk to Bobby."

I agree. I think that weekend she spent, that included Mafia, at the Cal-Neva lodge not long before she died where she was treated very badly was an attempt to threaten her into silence about what she knew about the Kennedys.  

[James DiEugenio]

By the mafia?

Oh please.

Again, this is how out there those writers are?  

She was there with Joe DiMaggio. Who was going to do what you say with him there?

 

[Cory Santos]

Jim, having been to the Cal-Neva and having spoke to people from there, having grown up in the area hearing stories, please, give me one source that Dimaggio was there all weekend with Marilyn.    The only thing I heard was a rumor he showed up and was turned away.  There is a reason Sinatra lost control of the Cal-Neva.  It was not due to bad singing.

Here is some info on it for those who are interested.  

https://www.sfgate.com/sfhistory/article/history-larry-ellison-Cal-Neva-Lodge-14496588.php

[Cory Santos]

3 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

How could anyone definitely “know” such a thing one way or another?

I agree.   What proof is there?

[Joe Bauer]

I stopped in to Cal Neva once.

After all the Indian Casino's were built in Calif. this devastated the customer base for Cal Neva and Reno as well.

There was just "one" table open for card games. Maybe 5 to 10 people in the whole place.

North Shore has never done well with only two or three casinos there anyway.

South Shore was where it was at.

 

 

[Pamela Brown]

9 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

I stopped in to Cal Neva once.

After all the Indian Casino's were built in Calif. this devastated the customer base for Cal Neva and Reno as well.

There was just "one" table open for card games. Maybe 5 to 10 people in the whole place.

North Shore has never done well with only two or three casinos there anyway.

South Shore was where it was at.

 

 

Interesting.  I stayed at the Cal-Neva for a weekend when I lived In San Francisco in early 1969.  I recall that we had to use chains to get there, as it had snowed.  It was beautiful.  I was unaware of what had happened to MM though, at that time...

[Joe Bauer]

1 hour ago, Pamela Brown said:

Interesting.  I stayed at the Cal-Neva for a weekend when I lived In San Francisco in early 1969.  I recall that we had to use chains to get there, as it had snowed.  It was beautiful.  I was unaware of what had happened to MM though, at that time...

 

In my twenties ( the 1970's ) I went to Tahoe's South Shore ( and/or Reno ) maybe once every 3 or 4 years and always in a car load of friends. It was a 300 mile one way commute. We were average low wage manual labor fellows and would have maybe $300 at most to play with.

When I finally went to North Shore in the late 1990's the Indian casinos had been up and running and like I said,  everyone knew that so many of the people who used to drive or take buses to Reno and even Tahoe from Northern California just said " to heck with that long commute" and would instead spend their gambling money closer to their homes.

I hadn't been to Reno since a visit there in about 1986 or 1987.

A friend asked me to go to a gathering on Eagle Lake near Susanville, CA in about 2005.

We had to drive through Reno to get to Highway 395 to Eagle Lake.

My friend had to stop in Reno because he wanted to play "21" at Harrahs.

I don't play cards so I just walked around waiting for him to finish losing his money. Several hours of bored waiting.

In that walk around I was stunned!

Harrah's was deserted! Just a couple of card tables going.

When I went there in the 1970's Harrahs and every other Reno casino was packed and the streets were packed with people too!

The streets of Reno were completely deserted. All I remember seeing were scattered newspapers being blown around like tumbleweed! Like an apocalyptic movie.

The Indian Casino's in California devastated Reno's gambling business base.

However, I have often read that the Nevada gambling industry big shots were partners in these Indian casinos, so they were still in the money.

Getting back to Cal Neva, Sinatra, M & M etc.

My lifetime observation is that organized crime ( Sicilian Mafia in particular) has never been fully and honestly acknowledged and exposed regards the amount of wealth, influence and power they truly had and exerted throughout our country since the end of WWII and in every level of government ( city, county, state and federal ) and all the way up to the presidency.

Hoover himself was compromised by them. JFK too to a certain degree with Judyth Campbell Exner and who knows who else.

LBJ and Nixon had ties.

There is no real debate about this level of mob influence anymore.

To doubt this reality is simply choosing to be naive.

And enough beautiful Hollywood starlets had affairs with these mobsters ( allegedly ) that one cannot say it could never have occurred with Monroe imo.

Lana Turner, Phyliss McGwire, Liza Minelli, Liz Hurley, etc.

Mickey Cohen had Candy Barr although she was a star of the strip club circuit only.

Less attractive starlets and female celebrities were safe from the advances of these mobsters because like almost everyone else, they wanted only the beautiful ones.

Think Ruth Buzzi, Totie Fields, Phyliss Diller, Dorothy Kilgallen, Bette Davis, etc.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Joe Bauer