W. Niederhut Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Newsflash, Ben. Obama didn't invade Afghanistan. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld invaded and occupied Afghanistan in 2001-- more than seven years before Obama became POTUS. It was the first phase of their post-9/11 Neocon "Project for a New American Century." As for Trump's surrender to the Taliban in 2020, and his precipitous withdrawal of troops after losing the November 2020 election, (against the advice of his military advisors) see the article I posted for you (above.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Newsflash, Ben. Obama didn't invade Afghanistan. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld invaded and occupied Afghanistan in 2001-- more than seven years before Obama became POTUS. It was the first phase of their post-9/11 Neocon "Project for a New American Century." As for Trump's surrender to the Taliban in 2020, and his precipitous withdrawal of troops after losing the November 2020 election, (against the advice of his military advisors) see the article I posted for you (above.) Why did President Obama, in 2009, double-down on the Bush-Cheney "post-9/11 Neocon Project for a New American Century." Why did Obama order a renewed effort and a military surge to re-occupy parts of Afcrapistan and "win" the Afrcrapistan War? Is there a difference between neo-libs and neo-cons? One you can see without a microscope? If Bush jr. was a war criminal...how do we appraise Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: Why did President Obama, in 2009, double-down on the Bush-Cheney "post-9/11 Neocon Project for a New American Century." Why did Obama order a renewed effort and a military surge to re-occupy parts of Afcrapistan and "win" the Afrcrapistan War? Have you read Robert Gates' memoir? Obama inherited a militarily-occupied Afghanistan in 2009 that was still quite unstable, and the thinking at the time was that a withdrawal of U.S. and NATO forces would further destabilize the country and the region. Bush and Cheney had carpet-bombed any semblance of an Afghan government into rubble. It's an example of what Colin Powell called the "Pottery Barn Rule" in his efforts to dissuade Bush from invading Iraq in 2003-- "Mr. President, if you break Iraq, you own it." As Gates described, Obama went along, reluctantly, with the advice of the military "experts" and, ultimately, "made the right calls" in Afghanistan. The occupation dragged on. It was one of the few things Obama did as POTUS that greatly disappointed me-- i.e., his (reluctant) acquiescence in the Neocon "War on Terror." Withal, the Trump administration killed more non-combatant civilians in the Middle East during the first eight months of Trump's Presidency than the Obama administration killed in eight years, from 2009-17. And Trump's surrender to the Taliban in February of 2020 and precipitous, post-election withdrawal from Afghanistan in late 2020 and early 2021 resulted in the abrupt collapse of the Afghan government and Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Have you read Robert Gates' memoir? Obama inherited a militarily-occupied Afghanistan in 2009 that was still quite unstable, and the thinking at the time was that a withdrawal of U.S. and NATO forces would further destabilize the country and the region. Bush and Cheney had carpet-bombed any semblance of an Afghan government into rubble. It's an example of what Colin Powell called the "Pottery Barn Rule" in his efforts to dissuade Bush from invading Iraq in 2003-- "Mr. President, if you break Iraq, you own it." As Gates described, Obama went along, reluctantly, with the advice of the military "experts" and, ultimately, "made the right calls" in Afghanistan. The occupation dragged on. It was one of the few things Obama did as POTUS that greatly disappointed me-- i.e., his (reluctant) acquiescence in the Neocon "War on Terror." Withal, the Trump administration killed more non-combatant civilians in the Middle East during the first eight months of Trump's Presidency than the Obama administration killed in eight years, from 2009-17. And Trump's surrender to the Taliban in February of 2020 and precipitous, post-election withdrawal from Afghanistan in late 2020 and early 2021 resulted in the abrupt collapse of the Afghan government and Army. Obama may have been poorly advised, but the definition of Afcrapistan as "unstable" could be used anytime since 1970. There is no dodging Obama, of his own free will, renewed and enlarged the occupation of Afrcrapistan, a volitional war in a nation posing no threat to the US. He was a dunce in he truly believed there was an upside there. Bush-Obama's volitional war meets the definition of a war criminal act...and can presently applied to Putin. Trump loved the drone-strike strategy pioneered by Obama. Like I say, when you figure out the difference between a neo-con and neo-lib, please educate us through a cogent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 "Democrat California Sen. Dianne Feinstein appeared unaware of her own retirement announcement Tuesday, telling a group of reporters at the Capitol that she hadn't made a decision on her future despite announcing just hours before that she would not be seeking reelection in 2024. According to multiple reports, a Feinstein staffer quickly notified the senator that a statement had already been made on her retirement, prompting her to say she was unaware the information had been released. Reporters present for the interaction quickly took to Twitter to report on Feinstein's apparent confusion." ---30--- Sad. Can happen to any of us. Tom Brady to make yet another comeback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 "Most of the Biden Regime learned about governing from watching Rachel Maddow and it really shows." — Lauren Boebert (@laurenboebert) February 15, 2023 "Most of what Lauren Boebert learned about life lessons and behavior is from watching Jerry Springer on a loop and it really shows." — Gentle_7 (@Gentle_7s) February 15, 2023 Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Mathew, Thanks for sharing the latest MAGA spam blaming Biden for the Ohio train derailment-- a tragic result of Trump deregulating "bomb" trains. It's reminiscent of the Deep Water Horizon eco-disaster on Obama's watch, which resulted from Bush & Cheney's deregulation of deep water drilling standards. It also complements Ben's persistent MAGA spam blaming Biden for Trump's 2020 surrender to the Taliban, and his precipitous post-election withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan. Notice that Ben also continues to blame Obama for Bush and Cheney's Afghanistan invasion/occupation boondoggle. You and Ben continue to provide a useful "service" to this forum, by keeping us all up-to-date on the GOP/MAGA propaganda of the day-- while ducking references and questions about the contrary evidence. Thanks again. Edited February 15, 2023 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: "Democrat California Sen. Dianne Feinstein appeared unaware of her own retirement announcement Tuesday, telling a group of reporters at the Capitol that she hadn't made a decision on her future despite announcing just hours before that she would not be seeking reelection in 2024. According to multiple reports, a Feinstein staffer quickly notified the senator that a statement had already been made on her retirement, prompting her to say she was unaware the information had been released. Reporters present for the interaction quickly took to Twitter to report on Feinstein's apparent confusion." ---30--- Sad. Can happen to any of us. Tom Brady to make yet another comeback? If true...it is so important for her to step down "now." She's been showing significant mental decline for years now. Our nation needs senators to be sharp for a million important reasons. For her to keep herself in her seat for the next almost 2 years is extremely selfish and not in the best interests of us Californians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Andrew Prokop has just published a definitive takedown of Jeff Gerth's bogus CJR revisionist history article claiming that Trump's Russiagate scandal was a hoax. I didn't realize that Jeff Gerth was involved years ago in promoting the GOP Whitewater hoax about Bill Clinton. Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Jeff Gerth, and the Trump-Russia revisionists, explained - Vox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I didn't realize this, but the real right-winger types don't like the Yellowstone TV series with Kevin Costner. He has a bi-racial grandson that he accepts and loves, and that's just a bridge too far. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 44 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: I didn't realize this, but the real right-winger types don't like the Yellowstone TV series with Kevin Costner. He has a bi-racial grandson that he accepts and loves, and that's just a bridge too far. Steve Thomas Not surprised. Apparently, Trump and the MAGAts are also angry about the "woke" Super Bowl last Sunday. MAGA Watched the Super Bowl and Didn’t Like What They Saw – Mother Jones I thought the hazmat suits in the half-time show were lame, but the Breaking Bad commercial was hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Meanwhile in Biden's America..w/ Aaron Maté Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 4 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Andrew Prokop has just published a definitive takedown of Jeff Gerth's bogus CJR revisionist history article claiming that Trump's Russiagate scandal was a hoax. I didn't realize that Jeff Gerth was involved years ago in promoting the GOP Whitewater hoax about Bill Clinton. Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Jeff Gerth, and the Trump-Russia revisionists, explained - Vox Vox appears to be a CIA mouthpiece. https://fair.org/home/vox-cia-iran-saudi-arabia-middle-east-cold-war/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, Benjamin Cole said: Vox appears to be a CIA mouthpiece. https://fair.org/home/vox-cia-iran-saudi-arabia-middle-east-cold-war/ Remember Operation Mockingbird? Lives on today, on steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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