W. Niederhut Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Matthew Koch said: Rumor on the street is that Elon Musk is censoring the Ohio derailment environmental catastrophe on behalf of the Biden Administration. People are claiming that they can't upload pictures of it to twitter and that people posts are being shadow banned.. Mathew, Is the MAGA media really blaming Biden for this train derailment? Geez... Kind of bizarre, since Biden is the guy who finally signed an infrastructure bill. And who'd have thunk that Elon Musk is now working for Biden? Is that true, or did you read it on Zero Hedge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Is that true, or did you read it on Zero Hedge? Jack Posobeic's only notoriety is for literally making things up, pure lies, and posting them on Twitter. Anyone that follows him or repeats what he says is admitting they have zero interest in the truth. Just pure RW extremist propaganda. So yeah. No surprise here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 This is very relevant to this thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Matt Allison said: What was the legitimate US mission in Afcrapistan, one worth $3 trillion or so and unlimited amounts of human carnage? The one good accomplishment of Trump may be getting the US out of Afcrapistan (although I supported also Trump's trade and border policies). If the US occupation of Afcrapistan was worth the immense human losses and money---then is there any limit to the deployment and occupation by US forces? Was there a better way to get out of Afrcrapistan than the one devised by Trump and implemented by Biden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: What was the legitimate US mission in Afcrapistan, one worth $3 trillion or so and unlimited amounts of human carnage? The one good accomplishment of Trump may be getting the US out of Afcrapistan (although I supported also Trump's trade and border policies). If the US occupation of Afcrapistan was worth the immense human losses and money---then is there any limit to the deployment and occupation by US forces? Was there a better way to get out of Afrcrapistan than the one devised by Trump and implemented by Biden? Ben, Trump and Pompeo surrendered to the Taliban at Doha in February of 2020, and Trump insisted on the precipitous withdrawal of almost all U.S. military forces by mid-January of 2021-- prior to Biden's inauguration-- against the advice of his generals. The Afghan Army saw the writing on the wall and commenced surrendering to the Taliban in various regions of the country in 2020. Trump also refused to share military intelligence about Afghanistan ops with Biden's transition team. It was part of Trump's refusal to concede the election. Yet, remarkably, Fox News, Republicans, and the MAGA media have relentlessly blamed our chaotic exodus from Afghanistan on Biden. Biden deserves some blame, but Trump and Pompeo, obviously, set the stage for the debacle. There are some parallels with the smaller scale Bay of Pigs debacle in 1961, occurring at a time when JFK was still in the process of organizing a new Presidential administration. The op had been planned by the Eisenhower and Nixon administration, then blamed on JFK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Ben, Trump and Pompeo surrendered to the Taliban at Doha in February of 2020, and Trump insisted on the precipitous withdrawal of almost all U.S. military forces by mid-January of 2021-- prior to Biden's inauguration-- against the advice of his generals. The Afghan Army saw the writing on the wall and commenced surrendering to the Taliban in various regions of the country in 2020. Trump also refused to share military intelligence about Afghanistan ops with Biden's transition team. It was part of Trump's refusal to concede the election. Yet, remarkably, Fox News, Republicans, and the MAGA media have relentlessly blamed our chaotic exodus from Afghanistan on Biden. Biden deserves some blame, but Trump and Pompeo, obviously, set the stage for the debacle. There are some parallels with the smaller scale Bay of Pigs debacle in 1961, occurring at a time when JFK was still in the process of organizing a new Presidential administration. The op had been planned by the Eisenhower and Nixon administration, then blamed on JFK. A "precipitous withdrawal"...after 20 years? A "surrender" being removing US participation from an undefined mission in some sort of permanent religious and civil war in impossibly corrupt and opium-ized Afcrapistan? If Trump got the US out of Afcrapistan, then I salute Trump. Trump should have done it in 2016. Obama actually prosecuted the worthless Afcrapistan war with a surge. More money and death in a $3 trillion war. Really, was that smart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 More than 1 in 6 Americans now 65 or older as U.S. continues graying (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: A "precipitous withdrawal"...after 20 years? Ben, I'm guessing that you haven't heard about Trump's precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan in the MAGA-verse.* The MAGA media focused mainly on blaming Joe Biden for Trump's abrupt withdrawal of troops and the resulting collapse of the Afghan Army. The fact that Bush & Cheney's expensive carpet bombing and occupation of Afghanistan was protracted doesn't mean that Trump's abrupt withdrawal after losing the 2020 election wasn't precipitous. See if you can figure that one out. * Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss (militarytimes.com) Edited February 14, 2023 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Marjorie Taylor Greene, George Santos, Donald Trump reality show tops them all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 KRUGMAN: Charting the 40-year history of Republicans' attempts to cut Social Security and Medicarewww.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/opinion/columnists/republicans-medicare-social-security.htmlFebruary 14, 2023First of all, if Republicans had absolutely no desire to make major cuts to America’s main social insurance programs, why would they sunset them — and thus create the risk that they wouldn’t be renewed? As Biden might say, c’mon, man.And then there’s that historical record. Two things have been true ever since 1980. First, Republicans have tried to make deep cuts to Social Security and Medicare every time they thought there might be a political window of opportunity. Second, on each occasion they’ve done exactly what they’re doing now: claiming that Democrats are engaged in smear tactics when they describe G.O.P. plans using exactly the same words Republicans themselves used.So, about that history. It has been widely forgotten, but soon after taking office Ronald Reagan proposed major cuts to Social Security. But he backed down in the face of a political backlash, leading analysts at the Cato Institute to call for a “Leninist” strategy — their word — creating a coalition ready to exploit a future crisis if and when one arrived.To that end, Cato created the Project on Social Security Privatization, calling for replacing Social Security with individual accounts — which George W. Bush tried to do in 2005. By then, however, Cato had quietly renamed its project; “privatization” polled badly, and Bush insisted that it was a “trick word” used to “scare people.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 58 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said: HA HA HA HA HA !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) LOL... Meanwhile, isn't Thomas Massie-- the guy who bought his kids AK-47s for Christmas-- one of Mathew Koch's heroes? GOP Rep. Thomas Massie Reintroduces Bill To ‘Terminate’ Department Of Education (msn.com) Edited February 14, 2023 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) Imagine taking this guy seriously after saying this.. Edited February 14, 2023 by Matthew Koch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 7 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Ben, I'm guessing that you haven't heard about Trump's precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan in the MAGA-verse.* The MAGA media focused mainly on blaming Joe Biden for Trump's abrupt withdrawal of troops and the resulting collapse of the Afghan Army. The fact that Bush & Cheney's expensive carpet bombing and occupation of Afghanistan was protracted doesn't mean that Trump's abrupt withdrawal after losing the 2020 election wasn't precipitous. See if you can figure that one out. * Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss (militarytimes.com) I am glad Trump ordered a "rapid withdrawal" from Afcrapistan (after 20 years of occupation), and I only wish he did it on Day One of his Presidency. Trump was in contrast to President Obama, who ordered a renewed surge of troops into Afcrapistan, another fantastically expensive yet counterproductive effort after eight years of losing efforts, with attendant additional human carnage. Obama had eight long years in Afcrapistan, and did not get the US out. How do you explain that? Are your partisan sentiments so strong you cannot admit President Obama meets the definition of a war criminal? The military invasion and occupation of a nation posting no threat the US? A volitional war, ramped up anew? Donks='Phants? Neocons=Neolibs? Where is the dividing line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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