The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

[Matthew Koch]

16 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Ok, let’s suppose for the sake of argument that he whole thing was a deep state fed set-up to discredit the Right, that proud boys etc were instigated by provocateurs. 
in the interest of an honest debate, I think it is necessary to ask where you, Matthew, John, Paul R and others here are coming from. And for me and others too. If confirmation bias is real and I am unaware of its effect on me, let me say that I supported the old Jew from Brooklyn Bernie Sanders, as the best of the candidates in both primaries in which he ran. I was brought up by parents who took me and some of my friends to the 1963 March on Washington, to the Rosenbergs vigil at Madison Square Garden the night they were executed, to hear Pete Seeger many times. They named me after Paul Robeson. I am unashamed of my background. I am as far removed from white supremacy as one could get. My dear mother wouldn’t buy Aunt Jemimah pancake mix or spic-n-span. She was an anti nuke activist who was called to testify to HUAC because she had once belonged to the Communist Party. 
This thread has several posters defending White Nationalists. They have not stated their personal beliefs, only that the Jan 6th crowd were peaceful. I’ll talk with racists any time, but only if they come right out and unashamedly own it, like my recently departed father-in-law, who was a really decent human being in all other respects. I’ll talk with folks who agree with overturning Roe, even the ones who think women should be punished if they transgress laws against abortions, which is surely coming in some states. I’ll talk to neocons. I’ll talk to anyone. But I will NOT take part in an online trolling session. Either you all say what you believe in your hearts or I will delete your posts from my feed.

 

WRONG AGAIN!! Aunt Jemimah was a real person who launched her own company https://abcnews.go.com/US/untold-story-real-aunt-jemima-fight-preserve-legacy/story?id=72293603

 

[John Cotter]

22 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

I suspect an appellate judge would be compelled to weigh this footage.  Perhaps you've forgotten about it?

Keep in mind, while events were unfolding inside the chamber, violent hand to hand confrontation was taking place outside.  

Keep in mind, these insurrectionists were occupying the proscribed venue for the peaceful transfer of leadership as set forth in OUR Constitution.  

You’ve posted this purportedly in response to a post of mine, but it has no relevance whatsoever to what I said in my post. You just keep piling irrelevance upon irrelevance.

I’ve put William Niederhut on ignore for similar disruptive behaviour and I’m now likewise putting you on ignore.

[Leslie Sharp]

5 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Leslie,

    Excellent refutations of John Cotter and our Coalition of the Clueless.

    You may not know that these guys-- including Mathew Koch and Ben Cole-- adamantly refused to watch the Congressional J6 hearings last year, which is one reason why they have been so easily suckered by Tucker Carlson's false revisionist history of J6.

    John Cotter doesn't seem to know that the Congressional J6 investigation focused mainly on Donald Trump and his Willard Hotel cabal.  The Committee did question one Capitol attacker in detail-- the young cabinet maker from Ohio who greatly regretted the fact that Fox News and Trump had lied to him about their Stop the Steal scam. 

      Chansley is, at most, a right wing coup denier's straw man-- a logical subject for Tucker Carlson's (and Benjamin Cole's) false revisionist history of J6. 

      I should also warn you that John Cotter's modus operandi in debates is to misquote and misrepresent what people have written, then claim that he has "refuted" them.  When all else fails, he ignores the rebuttals of his poorly informed arguments.

      You go, girl!

Thanks for the heads up! I'm clearly standing on the shoulders of giants like yourself.

The theme of the discussion is "the end result of the last 56 years" which I just assumed was reference to the ongoing threat to democracy since 1963.  I'm somewhat astonished this goes on among those who claim to know something about the Kennedy assassination. Are these guys infiltrators who — had they been of age in '63 — cheered the coup in Dallas?
 

[Leslie Sharp]

1 minute ago, John Cotter said:

You’ve posted this purportedly in response to a post of mine, but it has no relevance whatsoever to what I said in my post. You just keep piling irrelevance upon irrelevance.

I’ve put William Niederhut on ignore for similar disruptive behaviour and I’m now likewise putting you on ignore.

Disruptive behavior?  Are you joking?  I am challenging the propaganda you're pushing on this thread. Take your grievance to the moderators.  Ignoring me would speak volumes about your intellect and integrity.

[Matthew Koch]

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Rebuttal is in the eye of the beholder.  But to satisfy your frustration, I refute your contention that some footage of Chansley being escorted around the capitol is evidence that he shouldn't be charged as an insurrectionist when he stood at the Speaker's podium knowing that he was there because mayhem was disrupting the peaceful transfer of leadership under the terms set forth in OUR Constitution.  Do you think Chansley's defense would effectively persuade a judge and or jury with this new footage?  And if his attorneys were entitled to the footage, so are we, and all media outlets unless of course a judge ruled otherwise in which instance, the case should have made it's way through the courts before Carlson aired a single clip.  Something rotten in Denmark for sure.

Facts and logic don't mean anything to an emotional person obviously. The Chansley footage refutes the insurrection narrative to the point of debunking it. (See 1926 Easter Rising Insurrection for comparison) 
Watch this video to see Van Jones explaining what it was and get it through your head what the Stop the Steal was about and that the "iNsUrReCtIoN" did the opposite of what you are alleging happened to OUR constitution. If you can't understand something this simple you most definitely can't understand the JFKA 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

8 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Thanks for the heads up! I'm clearly standing on the shoulders of giants like yourself.

The theme of the discussion is "the end result of the last 56 years" which I just assumed was reference to the ongoing threat to democracy since 1963.  I'm somewhat astonished this goes on among those who claim to know something about the Kennedy assassination. Are these guys infiltrators who — had they been of age in '63 — cheered the coup in Dallas?
 

I was eight years old in 1963, and I was dismayed by the JFKA.

I have suspected something fishy for decades, and am appalled that many---including the Biden-Donk Administration---still suppress evidence.

Donk President Biden has essentially implemented a plan to suppress JFKA records in perpetuity. 

Your anger and ridicule would be better directed at those who want to suppress evidence, rather than me. 

Perhaps you are being sidetracked?

Are the 'Phants any better? Probably not. 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Benjamin Cole

[Leslie Sharp]

 

[Leslie Sharp]

2 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

Facts and logic don't mean anything to an emotional person obviously. The Chansley footage refutes the insurrection narrative to the point of debunking it. (See 1926 Easter Rising Insurrection for comparison) 
Watch this video to see Van Jones explaining what it was and get it through your head what the Stop the Steal was about and that the "iNsUrReCtIoN" did the opposite of what you are alleging happened to OUR constitution. If you can't understand something this simple you most definitely can't understand the JFKA 

 

WE ARE LISTENING TO YOUR BOSS! - insurrectionist to Capitol police ...

WHERE THE F * * *  IS NANCY?

 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Mark Knight
unacceptable language used

[W. Niederhut]

6 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Thanks for the heads up! I'm clearly standing on the shoulders of giants like yourself.

 

Leslie,

     I'm only six feet tall, and an amateur historian, like most of us here.  There are a few "giants" on this forum, but I'm not one of them.  (And most of the "giants" on the forum have avoided this thread lately.)

     Honestly, we had higher quality discussions about history and current events here until about a year ago, when the forum was invaded by some denizens of the Fox MAGA-verse.  Since then, most of the discussions have focused on trying to clean up the non-stop MAGA disinformazia.

[Benjamin Cole]

7 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

 

You realize we now know Mr. Buffalo Horns (seen in this footage) was escorted into the Senate Chamber by Capitol Police? 

It sure looks like he was planted there. 

And the other occupants? Also?

How many were federal assets? 

Inside the Capitol, there seems to be no violence, no confrontations, even in the New Yorker video, which likely would have highlighted such violence. 

Stay skeptical. Something fishy here. 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Benjamin Cole

[Leslie Sharp]

2 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

You realize we now know Mr. Buffalo Horns (seen in this footage) was escorted into the Senate Chamber by Capitol Police? 

It sure looks like he was planted there. 

And the other occupants? Also?

How many were federal assets? 

Inside the Capitol, there seems to be no violence, no confrontations, even in the New Yorker video, which likely would have highlighted such violence. 

Stay skeptical. Something fishy here. 

I suppose it depends on your definition of "violence".  

We witnessed violence as defined, strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force, by those who forced elected officials from the Chamber in the middle of executing their sworn duty to guarantee the peaceful transfer of leadership as proscribed in OUR Constitution.

Do you not recall any of this, Benjamin? 

 

[Leslie Sharp]

11 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

You realize we now know Mr. Buffalo Horns (seen in this footage) was escorted into the Senate Chamber by Capitol Police? 

It sure looks like he was planted there. 

And the other occupants? Also?

How many were federal assets? 

Inside the Capitol, there seems to be no violence, no confrontations, even in the New Yorker video, which likely would have highlighted such violence. 

Stay skeptical. Something fishy here. 

or this, Benjamin?

WHERE'S NANCY catcalls

 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Leslie Sharp

[Ron Bulman]

2 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

The elephant in the room is the White Supremists you hang your hat on are Federal Provacautuers meant to make the MAGA people look bad and your confirmation bias swallowed the bait hook line and sinker.. 

 

Well koch, it does look like it may have been photoshopped.  Laura looks a few years younger than her age now.  Do ya know the name of the lake?

[Ron Bulman]

1 hour ago, John Cotter said:

Please stop cluttering the thread and wasting everyone’s time with irrelevant gibberish.

 

Ah, ha, ha.  Sometimes your funny.  Got a mirror?

[Leslie Sharp]

49 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:

WRONG AGAIN!! Aunt Jemimah was a real person who launched her own company https://abcnews.go.com/US/untold-story-real-aunt-jemima-fight-preserve-legacy/story?id=72293603

 

This cryptic remark is a reflection of interrupted intellectual development. 

Paul has eloquently and gently laid down a gauntlet.  I second the motion.