The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

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7 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Interesting lecture on Ukrainian history from the Middle Ages to the present.

 

I watched this one the other week, was pretty interesting:
 

 

[Matt Allison]

If you're interested in conspiracies, here's a doozy...

 

[Guest]

12 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Chris,

     Putin has, apparently, surrounded himself with a hierarchy of FSB-aligned sycophants during the past twenty years.

     See, for example, Putin's People, by your fellow Brit, Catherine Belton.*

That's exactly what you or I would do if we were the head honcho in Russia. That would include 

FYI @Jeff Carter is right to attribute a proportion of the blame on NATO. Or do you think the organisation you've been conditioned to support and see as virtuous are the good guys? Have you read Daniele Ganser's "NATO's Secret Armies" ? Or listened to some of Sibel Edmunds work? At the risk of sounding like a broken record, NATO and the West agreed not to push further east than the Elbe, and it keeps pushing, at some stage it would become the straw that broke the camels back. The West keeps applying pressure. That poking of the bear is one of the reasons that has led us to catastrophic consequences in Ukraine. 

I'll post this again, as it explains the situation perfectly in 2015, after the 2014 crisis. John Mearsheimer is an American professor and geopolitics expert:
 

 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Chris-

Verily, I cannot say I have scaled the Summit of Truth, and will reveal to you now what I know. 

We may disagree on Putin and the oligarchs. 

In the West, we expect billionaires to have lots of clout, as money buys access, influence and talent. 

(The billionaire class loves ID politics and tensions, a great way for class tensions to be swept under the rug). 

But in Russia, the billionaires (called oligarchs) are much less powerful and influential, much more creatures of the state. Putin has shown he can throw an oligarch into prison for 10 years on tax charges. When did a US billionaire ever go to prison at all, let alone on tax charges?  

At any rate, the Ukraine situation now is a daily catastrophe, and we can only hope what has happened in Russian occupied territories is not a reprise of Bucha x 100. It may be unbearable to learn about. 

Biden looks feeble, dithering, uncertain. Biden all but invited Putin into Ukraine and then invited Zelensky out. Now, Biden talks about tougher sanctions on Russia. I guess we had pansy sanctions in place hitherto. 

The Poles stand as giants. They have accepted millions of refugees with good cheer and solidarity. They have advocated forceful interdiction in Ukraine to save lives, even though they are on the front lines. 

The Biden White House looks like confused midgets. 

Andrzej Duda is the president of Poland. Unfortunately, we cannot install him in the White House. 

A fair few US billionaires have been jailed and TBH the US has some of the most severe or draconian tax sentences out there. Let me give you something to ponder in countries that are heavily corrupt, which I would include the US. Consider that the system is that almost all powerful or influential people are compromised, they've committed crimes of some kind. And it's often only when they cross the wrong person, or turn remotely honest that they actually end up on the wrong side of the legal system and government. You've read about the honey pot schemes, from Roy Cohn to Jeffrey Epstein. Flight rosters full of A listers from the power elite and no prosecutions. Ghislaine Maxwell with 58 convictions of sex trafficking and not one conviction of a client. They're all at it, in one way or another, the compromising them serves the system. You betray it and you end up the victim. How different is that to the Russians? You get everyone to break laws, as it's the norm for the oligarchs and when they betray the core of power, they end up in jail. Am I saying that Russia and the US are comparable in this instance? Maybe, it's just more basic in Russia, less well polished, because they don't have to. We read pro USA media mostly, we see mostly one side. Even the ones who speak against the US system who are westerners like you and I are still influenced by the propaganda from the west. It certainly seems that the US brand of corruption is more subtle from where we stand. Because of wealth, it's always going to seem that way in the west. If you want evidence of the system in the US being corrupt, we only need to look at the past 5 or 6 years of politics on both sides of the fence. 

"(The billionaire class loves ID politics and tensions, a great way for class tensions to be swept under the rug)."
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And the perpetual state of crisis actually serves the elites, the tyrants and despots. It makes people neurotic, stressed and they look to leaders for help, like Nietzsche predicted the citizenry would when they no longer worshipped god. The great father figure is now the state. We live out Plato's allegory of the cave in the west. We gravitate to distractions in perpetuity, while a rug is pulled from under our feet. Trump, C19, Ukraine, fuel crisis, food crisis, when are we not in turmoil in recent years? "Never let a crisis go to waste." 

Here is another question; when we see the proposed war crimes in regions of Ukraine, mass graves, people with their hands and feet tied and executed, press crews taking images, are we seeing exactly what it is reported to be, war crimes? Or, could we be seeing any false flag operations. Like the fake Syria chemical weapon attack that never actually happened but, we ran it on western media for weeks and sanctioned bombing on the back of it. I'd like to see further investigation to confirm the truth. If indeed war crimes have been committed by Russia, where is the upside? If you want to defeat an enemy, the west, the best way is to have the people of your enemies withdraw their support for military interventions. If you commit atrocities, you galvanise public support for enemies military and governments. Or, are we to believe that these atrocities will somehow weaken the will of the Ukrainians fighting? 

I see now why Biden is president, he's perfect in every way. He'll screw up time and time again and in the aftermath, his foggy thinking will be blamed, as if he is one man making his own policy and doing the best he can. It's total BS America. 

Are the Poles acting autonomously? Our of sheer compassion? Or are they the spearhead or pretext for WW3 in the equation, ie they'll be drawn in and so will the whole of Europe and perhaps the US? We've seen in recent years how propaganda and a powerful MSM can whip up the emotions and hysteria. I haven't personally analysed the Polish MSM or who owns them, it would be an interesting exercise. I am very glad that the Polish people are showing compassion and humanity for the people fleeing this atrocious situation. I just hope this isn't used as a currency to draw the world into war. Another conflict that elites profit from and the middle class and poor lose everything. 

What would be revealed if we heavily scrutinise the Polish PM? 







 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

11 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

A fair few US billionaires have been jailed and TBH the US has some of the most severe or draconian tax sentences out there. Let me give you something to ponder in countries that are heavily corrupt, which I would include the US. Consider that the system is that almost all powerful or influential people are compromised, they've committed crimes of some kind. And it's often only when they cross the wrong person, or turn remotely honest that they actually end up on the wrong side of the legal system and government. You've read about the honey pot schemes, from Roy Cohn to Jeffrey Epstein. Flight rosters full of A listers from the power elite and no prosecutions. Ghislaine Maxwell with 58 convictions of sex trafficking and not one conviction of a client. They're all at it, in one way or another, the compromising them serves the system. You betray it and you end up the victim. How different is that to the Russians? You get everyone to break laws, as it's the norm for the oligarchs and when they betray the core of power, they end up in jail. Am I saying that Russia and the US are comparable in this instance? Maybe, it's just more basic in Russia, less well polished, because they don't have to. We read pro USA media mostly, we see mostly one side. Even the ones who speak against the US system who are westerners like you and I are still influenced by the propaganda from the west. It certainly seems that the US brand of corruption is more subtle from where we stand. Because of wealth, it's always going to seem that way in the west. If you want evidence of the system in the US being corrupt, we only need to look at the past 5 or 6 years of politics on both sides of the fence. 

"(The billionaire class loves ID politics and tensions, a great way for class tensions to be swept under the rug)."
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And the perpetual state of crisis actually serves the elites, the tyrants and despots. It makes people neurotic, stressed and they look to leaders for help, like Nietzsche predicted the citizenry would when they no longer worshipped god. The great father figure is now the state. We live out Plato's allegory of the cave in the west. We gravitate to distractions in perpetuity, while a rug is pulled from under our feet. Trump, C19, Ukraine, fuel crisis, food crisis, when are we not in turmoil in recent years? "Never let a crisis go to waste." 

Here is another question; when we see the proposed war crimes in regions of Ukraine, mass graves, people with their hands and feet tied and executed, press crews taking images, are we seeing exactly what it is reported to be, war crimes? Or, could we be seeing any false flag operations. Like the fake Syria chemical weapon attack that never actually happened but, we ran it on western media for weeks and sanctioned bombing on the back of it. I'd like to see further investigation to confirm the truth. If indeed war crimes have been committed by Russia, where is the upside? If you want to defeat an enemy, the west, the best way is to have the people of your enemies withdraw their support for military interventions. If you commit atrocities, you galvanise public support for enemies military and governments. Or, are we to believe that these atrocities will somehow weaken the will of the Ukrainians fighting? 

I see now why Biden is president, he's perfect in every way. He'll screw up time and time again and in the aftermath, his foggy thinking will be blamed, as if he is one man making his own policy and doing the best he can. It's total BS America. 

Are the Poles acting autonomously? Our of sheer compassion? Or are they the spearhead or pretext for WW3 in the equation, ie they'll be drawn in and so will the whole of Europe and perhaps the US? We've seen in recent years how propaganda and a powerful MSM can whip up the emotions and hysteria. I haven't personally analysed the Polish MSM or who owns them, it would be an interesting exercise. I am very glad that the Polish people are showing compassion and humanity for the people fleeing this atrocious situation. I just hope this isn't used as a currency to draw the world into war. Another conflict that elites profit from and the middle class and poor lose everything. 

What would be revealed if we heavily scrutinise the Polish PM? 







 

 

Chris--

Well, like I said, I am just a guy who reads what he can. 

I regard the Poles as "real" as there is no hiding the millions of Ukrainians who fled to Poland, nor the uplifting Polish reception. I know little about President Duda.  For now I hold the Poles in high regard. They still have a culture, a language and a nation---Poland is not merely an implement of the globalist class. 

There is an outside possibility the images from Bucha are a false flag or amplified. They strike me as real. I wonder if worse is going on Mariupol. It is not a fiction that soldiers can commit atrocities in battle. 

In my view, the globalists were willing to partition Ukraine to Putin. They can do business with Putin, they do business with Xi. 

The Ukrainians, like the Poles, still exist as a people, a nation, with a language, a culture and something they wanted to protect. They changed the narrative. 

The Biden White House looks like dithering dwarves. Now they plan to really "get tough," and impose even tougher sanctions on Russia. Every day more Ukrainians are slaughtered, and every day Biden talks about even tougher sanctions. Sanctions take months and even years to bite, but people die in minutes and hours. 

It will take backbone from Europe to save Ukraine. But in Brussels, London, Munich, Frankfurt, Paris...what are they thinking? 

They are thinking Ukraine is expendable. Just like in the White House. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steve Thomas]

Trump brags about his Jan 6th crowd size and admits 'regret' over not joining march on the Capitol

by Timothy Evans April 07, 2022

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-jan-6th-2657114199/

“...Trump said he deserved more credit for drawing such a large crowd to the Ellipse — and that he pressed to march on the Capitol with his supporters but was stopped by his security detail. “Secret Service said I couldn’t go. I would have gone there in a minute," he said.”

“...Trump teased about whether he will again run for the White House. “I don’t want to comment on running, but I think a lot of people are going to be very happy by my decision," he said, adding: "Because it’s a little boring now.” “

Nightmares have a hasty habit of recurring.

Steve Thomas

[Benjamin Cole]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-07/ukraine-war-only-one-thing-will-help-fight-off-russia-now-weapons

You can read it in Google incognito mode.

 

 

[Douglas Caddy]

Well worth a read.

Russian oligarch says sanctions against the nation are 'capable of destroying everything' (msn.com)

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[Douglas Caddy]

 

Drone video team turns the tables on hiding Russian vehicle - CNNBC

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Poland is not merely an implement of the globalist class. 

I know plenty of Poles and they do buck the globalist/EU dissolving of nation states more than most. They are a resilient people who remembers communism most. The brutal thing for the refugee’s is that whilst they’ll move somewhere with safety, they’ll struggle and start in a new country with less opportunities than most of the population, the globalists get another influx of workers who will be on minimum wage, the cost of labour will be kept low and profits high. Which is why the British government does nothing about addressing channel crossings via small inflatable boats. Its not about helping people for the elites, only a supply of labour. 

 

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

There is an outside possibility the images from Bucha are a false flag or amplified. They strike me as real. I wonder if worse is going on Mariupol. It is not a fiction that soldiers can commit atrocities in battle. 

It certainly isn’t, the US is still learning about the true horrors of Vietnam and war crimes there. To some degree I’d expect both sides to behave like animals, where there is hate for fellow human beings. We know the history of the past 100 years or so, we’ve seen plenty of false flags and deceptions as a pretext for war or expanding a conflict. Before entering WW1, Britain put up posters claiming Kaiser Wilhelm II’s troops were bayoneting babies in Belgium, the propaganda was enough to rouse the emotions of everyday brits into going to war. The propaganda was a complete lie. 
 

In this case, doing things that serve the recruitment department for your enemies, seems counter-predictive. I have seen the images and clips that MSM is showing. 
 

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Sanctions take months and even years to bite, but people die in minutes and hours. 

 

Wouldn’t you expect that wealthy Russians, including Putin would have put a lot of their wealth in crypto or bullion before the invasion, they’d surely anticipate sanctions. Immiserating the  average Russian will probably increase support for Putin in Russia (at 70% plus now), as their own propaganda will blame the West. They are about 85% self sufficient as a country anyhow. They can work with China, which doesn’t help the West. You’re right, as some experts have pointed out, the sanctions will take a while to bite. 
 

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

It will take backbone from Europe to save Ukraine. But in Brussels, London, Munich, Frankfurt, Paris...what are they thinking? 

I don’t think these self serving politicians care for Ukraine, they love appearing as compassionate and virtuous in front of the media, its an opportunity. The C19 doom and gloom fizzled out and people had a 2 week break before the Ukraine thing ramped up and put everyone back under duress and the burden of worry. The fuel costs and secondary effects have people absolutely consumed by their immediate needs. People are again looking at their leaders like gods and saviours. Its a tyrants dream to have a populous like that.  
 

“In (totalitarianism) shortages of material goods, even necessities, were not a drawback but a great advantage for the rulers. These shortages were not accidental to the terror, but one of its most powerful instruments. Not only did shortages keep peoples minds strictly on bread and sausage and divert their energies to procuring them so that there was no time or inclination left over for subversion, but the shortages meant that people could be brought to inform, spy and betray each other very cheaply.”

Theordore Dalrymple 

 

They don’t care, a crisis helps the political class and the elites. Which is why the worlds billionaires made so much money during C19. They’ll be doing it a different way now. 
 

If it were me, I wouldn’t be heightening tensions, I’d be seeking a detente and stop to the suffering. We know how people behave with nothing to lose, we know how animals behave when backed into a corner. 

[W. Niederhut]

10 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Overcoming early rejection in his life  path in becoming a Canadian  exchange student to the Soviet Union . Jeff has overcompensated and now  fathoms himself as the forum Russian Putin expert confidently assuring  us he was the man inside Putin's head and under no circumstances would Putin invade Ukraine. I knew the next season's drama would be victim Putin struggle with oppressive Nato that left him no choice but to coldly and  brutally demolish any structure or human being standing on Ukraine's surface.

 

Kirk,

    Since this is a conspiracy theory forum, I might as well blurt it out.

    My theory is that Jeff's real name is Gurdjieff Khatersky.  He was born in Irkutsk in 1950, where his father served as a Gulag prison camp commandant.  Young Gurdjieff studied journalism and propaganda theory at the Yuri Andropov Red Banner Institute, then worked for ITASS in Vladivostock, before emigrating to Vancouver and changing his name to Jeff Carter.  In Canada, he has worked for Russia Today, and is currently being paid in Bitcoin.

    Just a theory...  🤥

[Guest]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Kirk,

    Since this is a conspiracy theory forum, I might as well blurt it out.

    My theory is that Jeff's real name is Gurdjieff Khatersky.  He was born in Irkutsk in 1950, where his father served as a Gulag prison camp commandant.  Young Gurdjieff studied journalism and propaganda theory at the Yuri Andropov Red Banner Institute, then worked for ITASS in Vladivostock, before emigrating to Vancouver and changing his name to Jeff Carter.  In Canada, he has worked for Russia Today, and is currently being paid in Bitcoin.

    Just a theory...  🤥

🤣🤣🤣 

They’d demand way more posts per day. 

[Douglas Caddy]

 

 

U.S. investigates Trump's removal of White House records to Florida (msn.com)

[Douglas Caddy]

On 4/5/2022 at 11:01 AM, W. Niederhut said:

Finnish Intelligence Officer Explains the Russian Mindset – Ricochet

April 4, 2022

Here is the Finnish officer delivering his report in person:

 

Edited April 7, 2022 by Douglas Caddy