Matt Allison Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 21 hours ago, Paul Brancato said: The US calls RT Russian propaganda without putting in perspective that our media is also propaganda. Conflating US media with Russia's isn't just "whataboutism" and "both sides-ism", it's a straight-up bad take. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Russia says it plans to interfere with U.S. elections. So what else is knew? Russia Airs Its Ultimate ‘Revenge Plan’ for America (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Matt Allison said: Conflating US media with Russia's isn't just "whataboutism" and "both sides-ism", it's a straight-up bad take. Sorry. I couldn’t possibly disagree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 7 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Ben, It's time for your daily reality check. The U.S., U.K., and NATO have played a critical role in Ukraine's surprisingly successful resistance to the Russian ground invasion. And Putin's puppet, Donald Trump, was dead wrong about NATO. Take a break from Glenn Greenwald and study this brief analysis by Trump's own former Russian policy advisor, Dr. Fiona Hill. Former top Trump Russia adviser details the sharp contrast between Trump and Biden https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-top-trump-russia-adviser-details-the-sharp-contrast-between-the-former-president-and-biden/ar-AAU5Chu?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 W.- You realize a city of 500,000---Mariupol---has literally been reduced to rubble, and possibly tens of thousands dead? And no Nato power, including the US/Biden, bothered to interdict the Russian warships? This is not about Trump. Who cares about Trump? He is wheezing his way into irrelevance on some campaign trail somewhere. It is about Biden/Nato, their response times, and the craven position they cannot give heavy weapons to Ukrainians, or undertake a humanitarian mission to protect civilian populations from slaughter. Russia can declare a Russia-only fly zone over Ukraine. US foreign-trade-military policy is always about answering to the multinationals, under Biden or other presidents (Trump being an oddball exception, and not always for the right reasons). The multinationals are happy to do business with Putin, they are happy with Xi. Ukraine is expendable. Mariupol is expendable. Humans are expendable. That is, and has been, US foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 For those of you who have an interest in geopolitics; this 2017 lecture at Yale by John Mearsheimer explains the shortcomings of US foreign policy and why on the present trajectory it is doomed to failure. He points out very clearly how Russia think about NATO expansion and he states they will never accept NATO in Georgia or Ukraine. No super power wants its enemies militarising on its doorstep. He explains in detail how "liberal hegemony' threatens America's core values. No nation can maintain its freedom in the midst of continual warfare, he cites James Madison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Paul Brancato said: I couldn’t possibly disagree more Well, then you've been hoodwinked, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 42 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said: No super power wants its enemies militarising on its doorstep Enemies ? Don't know if this was a Freudian slip, but none of those countries have ever attacked Russia. If Russia considers those countries "enemies", it's only because those countries stand in the way of Russia's attempts at invading countries and enlarging their dictatorial empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 43 minutes ago, Matt Allison said: Enemies ? Don't know if this was a Freudian slip, but none of those countries have ever attacked Russia. If Russia considers those countries "enemies", it's only because those countries stand in the way of Russia's attempts at invading countries and enlarging their dictatorial empire. Oh, you think NATO is a friend of Russia? Or, I think you potentially misunderstood my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Meet the man now running Russia’s war in Ukraine. He’s been called ‘The Butcher of Syria’--Toronto Star Biden, Modi discuss Ukraine war as Indian response raises concern--AFB ---30--- Yes, Biden is engaging in futile effort to involve India in economic sanctions---Biden read to Modi a sermonette or two---while Russians maneuver heavy equipment into place for the next round of slaughter and still control the skies and seas of Ukraine. The Butcher of Syria is running the show. Is not this true: The US spends $1.4 trillion annually (DoD, VA, pro-rated interest on the national debt) for global security---that is, to protect multinational commercial interests around the world---but is sidelined in Ukraine when human lives are at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Pat Speer said: Well, yeah. The Republican Party is the party of throw stones at others at a rapid pace so no one can fire back at your big glass house on the hill. Virtually every complaint about Biden and the Dems--the corruption, irresponsibility with money, taking orders from a minority of loudmouths, etc--was true of Trump and his cronies. Times a hundred. But as long as the lapdogs blather on about Hunter's laptop no one on the right will notice. Trump's a football fan. Sometimes the best defense is an extremely aggressive offense. The obvious nature of the playbook is offensive. It shouldn't work but it does. Exactly Pat, our forum tabloid contributor New York Post er boy Ben, is smelling blood on Hunter Biden again! So what is it?, privileged families, using their connections to get cushy jobs on corporate boards? Tales of drug abuse? Tax infractions, After the Trump Presidency?? "Oh, you just wait" says Ben. Hoping to find the usual Fox News, Democrat pedophile gold, Ben? Obviously whatever information can be exposed, should be exposed on both the Trump and Biden family. And can there be any doubt who exponentially has more to hide? Exclusive: Leaked Messages Reveal the Origins of the Most Vile Hunter Biden Smear Fugitive Chinese tycoon and Steve Bannon ally Guo Wengui pushed out explicit material—and lies—on the eve of the 2020 election. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/hunter-biden-laptop-guo-wengui-bannon-giuliani/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 The Observer view on the west’s response to war in Ukraine: Observer editorial 4/10/22 In the face of Vladimir Putin’s cruelty, Nato must consider taking much tougher options Russia’s missile attack on Kramatorsk railway station is an act of unforgivable barbarism. How many more such atrocities must occur before western leaders admit their Ukraine strategy is failing? How many more children must die before Nato stops making excuses for inaction? How much longer before Joe Biden, Boris Johnson, Olaf Scholz and the rest face up to what seems an inescapable choice: either intervene directly – or lose? ---30--- So...is Biden's "do little" policy actually escalatory? The Russians are emboldened, comfortable that they will not face heavy equipment and can control the skies? For some, this becomes a blue kool-aid moment. Those partisans cannot regard Biden as lacking, as he leads the Donks. But others just want interdiction to halt the Russians, a humanitarian mission, and wonder why Biden is so inert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: W.- You realize a city of 500,000---Mariupol---has literally been reduced to rubble, and possibly tens of thousands dead? And no Nato power, including the US/Biden, bothered to interdict the Russian warships? This is not about Trump. Who cares about Trump? He is wheezing his way into irrelevance on some campaign trail somewhere. It is about Biden/Nato, their response times, and the craven position they cannot give heavy weapons to Ukrainians, or undertake a humanitarian mission to protect civilian populations from slaughter. Russia can declare a Russia-only fly zone over Ukraine. US foreign-trade-military policy is always about answering to the multinationals, under Biden or other presidents (Trump being an oddball exception, and not always for the right reasons). The multinationals are happy to do business with Putin, they are happy with Xi. Ukraine is expendable. Mariupol is expendable. Humans are expendable. That is, and has been, US foreign policy. Ben, Newsflash. You are one who brought up Trump (above) with your absurd comment about "Trump possibly (being) right about NATO." I responded to your Trump comment by posting a reference from Dr. Fiona Hill about the marked contrast between Biden and Trump vis-a-vis NATO and Putin. Trump was a disaster on NATO and support for Ukraine. Hill should know, because she was Trump's own expert advisor on Russia. Did you study Dr. Hill's commentary? As for the current Ukraine crisis, Biden was correct in warning us about the impending invasion and working to rally our allies to respond with weapons and sanctions. Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, and the Fox News pundits ridiculed Biden's warning, and Tucker Carlson has been prominently featured on Russian state television as a Putin apologist during the past month. Trump praised Putin as a "genius" for invading Ukraine. As POTUS, he and Paul Manafort altered the Republican Party platform in Cleveland in 2016 to withhold armaments from Ukraine in their border war with Russia! Putin is a war criminal, and his atrocities in Ukraine are an abomination. Simultaneously, he is engaging in nuclear blackmail-- openly threatening to use his hypersonic nuclear missiles. He recently flew nuclear armed aircraft into Swedish airspace, and has threatened Finland and Sweden about joining NATO. This is a very dangerous situation in which Putin is behaving irrationally and erratically. Nuclear brinksmanship and the risk of a global nuclear catastrophe must be avoided. As for your daily diatribes blaming Biden for Putin's shocking atrocities, let me ask you a question. Do you also blame FDR for Hitler's blitzkrieg of Poland in 1939? And, if so, why? Explain your reasoning. Edited April 12, 2022 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 41 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Ben, Newsflash. You are one who brought up Trump (above) with your absurd comment about "Trump possibly (being) right about NATO." I responded to your Trump comment by posting a reference from Dr. Fiona Hill about the marked contrast between Biden and Trump vis-a-vis NATO and Putin. Trump was a disaster on NATO and support for Ukraine. Hill should know, because she was Trump's own expert advisor on Russia. Did you study Dr. Hill's commentary? As for the current Ukraine crisis, Biden was correct in warning us about the impending invasion and working to rally our allies to respond with weapons and sanctions. Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, and the Fox News pundits ridiculed Biden's warning, and Tucker Carlson has been prominently featured on Russian state television as a Putin apologist during the past month. Trump praised Putin as a "genius" for invading Ukraine. As POTUS, he and Paul Manafort altered the Republican Party platform in Cleveland in 2016 to withhold armaments from Ukraine in their border war with Russia! Putin is a war criminal, and his atrocities in Ukraine are an abomination. Simultaneously, he is engaging in nuclear blackmail-- openly threatening to use his hypersonic nuclear missiles. He recently flew nuclear armed aircraft into Swedish airspace, and has threatened Finland and Sweden about joining NATO. This is a very dangerous situation in which Putin is behaving irrationally and erratically. Nuclear brinksmanship and the risk of a global nuclear catastrophe must be avoided. As for your daily diatribes blaming Biden for Putin's shocking atrocities, let me ask you a question. Do you also blame FDR for Hitler's blitzkrieg of Poland in 1939? And, if so, why? Explain your reasoning. My recollection is that FDR in fact wanted to enter the US into WWII, but business interests (including the Bush family) and the US public were against doing so. Back in those days the US Congress had to declare war. After Pearl Harbor, the public assented to entering the Pacific theater---however, FDR was still worried the US would still not be able to enter the European theater. But Germany declared war on the US a few days after Pearl Harbor, and so the game was on. But remember---American business interests were against the US entry into the European theater. So, the short story is FDR is not to blame for Germany's war effort, or America's tardy response, though there may have been some lapses. But FDR did break the mold and enter WWII. Today, a US president can unilaterally enter the US into a war, although it is not called a war. I have a hard time gauging public opinion on Ukraine, but my sense is the public would accept US/Nato interdiction in Ukraine, with a clearly defined mission of pushing Russia soldiers out, and stopping a holocaust, which is possibly pending under the butcher of Syria. Again, this is not a blue-red issue. It is a question of a failure of leadership in Nato and the White House. Why do you keep mentioning Trump? He is out of the picture. Just as before WWII, we are seeing today the control of US foreign policy by multinational commercial interests. Ukraine is low priority. Biden needs to do an FDR and break the mold. My take is Biden is not up to it, has surrounded himself with a group of comfortable managers from upper echelons. Biden will lecture Modi on the need to consider if not implement economic sanctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Petraeus Frustrates Fox With High Praise For Biden's Ukraine Reponse The former head of the CIA laid to waste the petty attacks Fox News and their minions have been heaping on Biden since Russia invaded Ukraine https://crooksandliars.com/2022/04/gen-patraeus-praises-bidens-ukraine April 11, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Petraeus Frustrates Fox With High Praise For Biden's Ukraine Reponse The former head of the CIA laid to waste the petty attacks Fox News and their minions have been heaping on Biden since Russia invaded Ukraine https://crooksandliars.com/2022/04/gen-patraeus-praises-bidens-ukraine April 11, 2022 Fox immediately demanded that Petraeus be arrested and tried, before they were reminded that this is the United States, not Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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