W. Niederhut Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) Putin is, apparently, taking another page from Joseph Stalin's playbook-- deporting Ukrainians to prison camps in Russia. Solzhenitsyn described, in The Gulag Archipelago, how Stalin did this on a massive scale to non-Russian populations under Soviet control in the 1940s -- Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Crimean Tatars, Ukrainian Greeks, Volga Germans, and other minority groups. (Stalin even did the same thing to his own Red Army soldiers from N-a-z-i POW camps-- shipping them straight from N-a-z-i POW camps to the Soviet Gulag!) Russian troops deported 500,000 Ukrainians, used Red Cross emblem https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/organization-for-security-and-cooperation-in-europe-russian-troops-deported-500-000-ukrainians April 13, 2022 Edited April 13, 2022 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said: Presidents of four countries visit Ukraine in show of support: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-kyiv-business-europe-afc276faff040e7bf0b87b7625adbba8?user_email=fbdd9bc7a601799485f96e2eebd1714b5dd292492390d89fdfb97eb7fdf74037&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medi My president has not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Matt Allison said: To me, Abbott has all the qualities of a sociopath. People outside of Texas are amazed at the dumb sh*t he pulls. What possible advantage is there having him as your governor rather than Beto? We've been on a real roll for 30 years now. First W (or as Molly Ivins called him Shrub), then governor Good Hair as she called Perry. Now Abbott, with Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, Attorney General Ken Paxton and Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller it just seems to have gotten steadily worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: Putin is, apparently, taking another page from Joseph Stalin's playbook-- deporting Ukrainians to prison camps in Russia. Solzhenitsyn described, in The Gulag Archipelago, how Stalin did this on a massive scale to non-Russian populations under Soviet control in the 1940s -- Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Crimean Tatars, Ukrainian Greeks, Volga Germans, and other minority groups. (Stalin even did the same thing to his own Red Army soldiers from N-a-z-i POW camps-- shipping them straight from N-a-z-i POW camps to the Soviet Gulag!) Russian troops deported 500,000 Ukrainians, used Red Cross emblem https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/organization-for-security-and-cooperation-in-europe-russian-troops-deported-500-000-ukrainians April 13, 2022 They may be held ransom. It appears with Putin, any concessions are escalatory, not de-escalatory. No one wants war. But kinetic interdiction is required in Ukraine, for humanitarian reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUz3sB7XKK0 Watch this version of events Then read Buzzfeed's version of events https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/a-stunning-surprise-in-the-michigan-kidnapping-case-calls If you can set aside the red or blue kool-aid for a moment...can anyone justify a federal government that conjures up kidnap plots against a state governor, and foils the plot? The fire department has an arsonist on the payroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Paul, I assume you wrote that long thoughtful piece, because you're inviting discussion about it. Paul: If we can read and think we see Democrats (or the NYT)lie about Biden’s son, or Hillary, or whoever the target is, understand why they are doing it, wish they had more courage to just do what’s right and oppose corruption in their own ranks as well as in the thoroughly corrupted elected segment of the Republican Party. The question i have here Paul is what are your examples of "Democrat media censorship?" So the NYT and the democrats are synonymous? I'm not sure of the specific case you're making with Hilary, was that the e mails? I'm sure there's something there, Of course once you start talking about Hunter Biden, it gets somewhat trivial about "democrat corruption". Because he's not really in their ranks. But still are the Democrats "lying" about Hunter Biden or hiding the dirt on Hunter Biden? What are they supposed to do? I haven't seen any evidence of that. The FBI has been investigating Hunter Biden. But Biden hasn't interfered in the case off his son, but Trump was continually stonewalling aiding he investigations involving his kids and Jared Kushner. Paul:The problem with Democrats engaging in media censorship, which Matt and maybe others don’t think worth mentioning, is that it reveals something deeper, which is that they are not the good guys and gals we imagine them to be, other than in comparison to the goons on the other side. Specifically, I saw something completely different here with Matt. You said , "The US calls RT Russian propaganda without putting in perspective that our media is also propaganda. " You weren't talking about Democrat controlled media. You were comparing the U.S. with Russia. I would agree with you that both sides are propagandizing maybe more than I think Matt might. (though i don't know) But I agree with Matt completely, there's no comparison of the censorship of Russians people getting thrown in jail for speaking their minds about the Russian war in Ukraine. One such case happened today. Your examples of Trump getting kicked off twitter, they are a private company. In Russia there are no private news companies or they've been disband by Putin and some independent dissident Russian voices have left the country. Chris Hedges having his earlier stuff on youtube scrubbed is worth getting upset about. But he's still free to push his point of view, just not on Youtube and it's worth mentioning, he's never a guest on CNN and MSNBC, yes. But people can seek him out online. The average Russian can't find information outside of state TV. There is a growing number of people who are buying VPN's because they don't want the government tracing them and they're probably scared to death to purchase it.. As for Trump getting banned on twitter. Personally i can respect other people's point of view on this one. But in my mind, if our justice system worked fairly and equitably at a faster speed. Trump should be in jail. I don't have anymore sympathy for him than I do for O.J.'s sentence in Las Vegas. Yes they're not the same, but for right now, Trump is free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 So you ship a half dozen "volunteers" to Washington who then move on to Miami and elsewhere . . . As Texas buses migrants to D.C., Abbott faces backlash for chaos at the border (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 41 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said: Paul: If we can read and think we see Democrats (or the NYT)lie about Biden’s son, or Hillary, or whoever the target is, understand why they are doing it, wish they had more courage to just do what’s right and oppose corruption in their own ranks as well as in the thoroughly corrupted elected segment of the Republican Party. I don't even understand what Paul means by this; there is no human in history that was investigated more than Hillary Clinton, and her accusers came up with a big fat zero. As far as Hunter Biden goes, someone will have to explain to me what exactly the problem is there? He made a lot of money? And? Is it only ok for GOP children to make money? I don't get it. Show me the crime either of those two people committed. I'm waiting. Been waiting for a long time. Nothing there. The only thing buying into the narrative that those 2 people are criminals shows me, is that a person has been hoodwinked by the MAGA/GOP/Putin propaganda factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) ‘There Is Such Fu**ery Going on Here’: Russian Soldiers ‘Revolting’ as They Get Stiffed on Ukraine Payouts "Putin says he’s proud of his “noble” war against Ukraine, but his soldiers there say it’s such a mess “entire battalions are starting revolts.”" http://https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldiers-revolting-as-they-get-stiffed-on-ukraine-payouts-according-to-intercepted-calls http://https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldiers-revolting-as-they-get-stiffed-on-ukraine-payouts-according-to-intercepted-calls?ref=scroll "Russian soldiers in Ukraine are said to be “dumping their stuff” and leaving after the military leadership stiffed them on special pay they were promised. In audio released by Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister, a man purported to be a Russian soldier is told by a woman back home to “limp” so that he’ll be rotated out. He says military leadership has promised “enormous cash payments,” but goes on to complain that “they say things here and then don’t fulfill a damn thing.” “Everyone is outraged, entire battalions are starting revolts. The commanders promise us that they are giving us their word,” he said. In another chat said to be between a Russian soldier and his mother, he said the troops are getting fed up because they aren’t getting the payouts they were offered to serve. “There is such fu**ery going on here, I’m telling you, 600 people have resigned from our brigade throughout this time, well about that much, give or take. Everyone is going home, they are just dumping their stuff and saying, ‘I’m going home’ and then leaving,’” he said." Steve Thomas Edited April 14, 2022 by Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 http://https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10717065/Go-f-Russian-warship-BLOWN-Cruiser-Moskva-hit-Ukrainian-missile.html "Russian Navy flagship is BLOWN UP: Cruiser Moskva explodes after being 'hit by Ukrainian missiles' and 510 crew are evacuated - weeks after opening fire on Snake Island defenders who told it to 'go f*** yourself'" Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said: http://https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10717065/Go-f-Russian-warship-BLOWN-Cruiser-Moskva-hit-Ukrainian-missile.html "Russian Navy flagship is BLOWN UP: Cruiser Moskva explodes after being 'hit by Ukrainian missiles' and 510 crew are evacuated - weeks after opening fire on Snake Island defenders who told it to 'go f*** yourself'" Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Steve Thomas "No no, comrade. Our sheep not sunk. Not hit by miss ile. Sheep conducting special incendiary operation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Matt Allison said: I don't even understand what Paul means by this; there is no human in history that was investigated more than Hillary Clinton, and her accusers came up with a big fat zero. As far as Hunter Biden goes, someone will have to explain to me what exactly the problem is there? He made a lot of money? And? Is it only ok for GOP children to make money? I don't get it. Show me the crime either of those two people committed. I'm waiting. Been waiting for a long time. Nothing there. The only thing buying into the narrative that those 2 people are criminals shows me, is that a person has been hoodwinked by the MAGA/GOP/Putin propaganda factory. I'm with you Matt. Paul strikes me as a person who wants to be fair, but he makes the faulty assumption that both sides are equally bad, differing only in what side of the spectrum they are on. However, it's clear to me that Republican politicians are forced to l i e because their policies are anti-average-person and being honest about this would cost them elections. Democratic politicians don't lie (so much) because they don't need to. Also, it is my observation that the truth is generally more important to Democrats than it is to Republicans. Of course, we all know that truth isn't important at all to Republicans who support Trump. (Either that or they aren't too bright.) Edited April 14, 2022 by Sandy Larsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 America’s Highest Earners And Their Taxes Revealed | ProPublica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Former Russian lawmaker fighting for Ukraine says he thinks Putin's days are numbered because 'no dictator can survive after losing the war' (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said: Former Russian lawmaker fighting for Ukraine says he thinks Putin's days are numbered because 'no dictator can survive after losing the war' (msn.com) Another potentially ominous sign for Putin is that he has been aggressively purging his own Praetorian Guard recently. The KGB/FSB has been his power base during the past 30 years. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10714319/Putin-arrests-man-invented-Putinism-purge-150-spy-chiefs-turns-inner-circle.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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