Jim DiEugenio vs Fred Litwin

[James DiEugenio]

Fred Litwin would not debate me directly, just like Posner would not.

So J. G. Michael of Parallax View radio had me come on after his interview with Fred.

If you listen you will understand why Fred did not want o debate me directly. As I have said, there are too many people who have not read the declassified record and act as if they had; and there are too may people who think they know New Orleans when they do not.  I would like to thank JG for the opportunity to set the factual record straight.

https://parallaxviews.podbean.com/e/dieugeniojfk/

 

 

 

[Tony Krome]

Was halfway through and heard you say Ferrie called the FBI looking for the CAP photo. Was that someone he personally knew?

[Pete Mellor]

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

https://parallaxviews.podbean.com/e/dieugeniojfk/

V interesting podcast.  90 minutes well spent!  Cheers.

If Sec of Defence McNamara was calling for the faster withdrawal of U.S. military personnel at the Hawaii May '63 conference....a faster withdrawal than proposed earlier that year by General Harkins, how far back in time was this withdrawal agenda decided by President Kennedy?  

 

 

 

[James DiEugenio]

Tony,

Yes it was a former CAP member under Ferrie.  A guy named McCoy. 

It was he who called the FBI to tell them Ferrie had called his house looking for the picture.  Not Ferrie. (Destiny Betrayed, second edition, p. 82)

Edited May 6, 2021 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

The actual withdrawal program was ordered by McNamara in 1962 after a previous SecDef meeting.

At that meeting, McNamara kept Harkins and a few others behind.  He told them that they were to begin planning for US withdrawal and transfer the war effort to the ARVN. According to someone there, Harkins chin about hit the table. (Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, p. 120)

Edited May 6, 2021 by James DiEugenio

[John Kowalski]

Very interesting talk Jim.

[James DiEugenio]

Thanks John.

I wish Fred had been there.

BTW, he is still trying to prove he actually was a Commission critic at one time.  This is now, what about three years after his book came out?

Keep on trying Fred.

[James DiEugenio]

Correction: Gremillion was not the governor, he was the AG of Louisiana.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Thanks John.

I wish Fred had been there.

BTW, he is still trying to prove he actually was a Commission critic at one time.  This is now, what about three years after his book came out?

Keep on trying Fred.

Here is a blog piece by Fred. Readers can decide for themselves.

Fred Litwin, Conspiracy Theorist (onthetrailofdelusion.com)

[James DiEugenio]

Note in that blog post that he criticizes the critics by saying there is no evidence for a front shot.

Then, after Rusty spoke, he ran another column is which he trashed the talk as amounting to sensationalism.  This is right in his book.

In other words, he warned about it in advance, and then attacked it after.

That is not the way any kind of critic would act.  What they were doing at that time--people like Lane, Weisberg, Evica--was collecting information to compose articles to critique the Commission.  Because at that time, you had the Church Committee, Pike Committee and Rockefeller Commission.  It was all building to a reopening of the case.  But somehow Fred was nowhere to be seen doing any of that.  And no one ever heard of him in the critical community. And in his next noted article in his book, he is arguing for the SBT through Kennedy.

Tracy is still carrying water for his buddy.  Without referring to his book.

Edited May 6, 2021 by James DiEugenio

[W. Niederhut]

On 5/5/2021 at 12:39 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Fred Litwin would not debate me directly, just like Posner would not.

So J. G. Michael of Parallax View radio had me come on after his interview with Fred.If you listen you will understand why Fred did not want o debate me directly. As I have said, there are too many people who have not read the declassified record and act as if they had; and there are too may people who think they know New Orleans when they do not. 

 

I have a suggestion for a Fred Litwin theme song for his future radio shows -- Harry Connick, Jr. singing, Do You Know What It Means to Miss New Orleans?  🤥

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by W. Niederhut

[James DiEugenio]

Nice one William.

If you can wrap your head around it, at the beginning of Litwin's book, he has a picture of Harry Connick Sr posing with Fred's first Kennedy book next to his face.

Fred does not tell the reader about Connick's record as DA.  He was called out by the Supreme Court twice on the Brady Rule.  His excuse was he stopped reading law journals once he was elected. He was alerted by investigator Gary Raymond about the Father DIno Cinel child sex abuse ring, which included tapes.  Gary urged him to prosecute, Connick did not.  Gary had to go to the press. Connick was the liaison to the Justice Department during the Clay Shaw trial and he was Dr. Boswell's escort when he was sent down to New Orleans to discredit Finck for telling the truth about the autopsy. When he became DA, he went about burning  the files Garrison left behind.  No joke, he told Gary take them to the incinerator. And Connick later admitted to disposing of many of them. Although Gary saved some of the grand jury testimony. 

  Under Connick, New Orleans because the temporary murder capital of America. That is Fred Litwin for you.

[John Kowalski]

18 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

I wish Fred had been there.

Tracy:

He has written two books about JFK so he should be sure about his convictions, so don't you think that Fred should debate Jim?

[W. Tracy Parnell]

14 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Note in that blog post that he criticizes the critics by saying there is no evidence for a front shot.

Anyone can read the blog piece and see that Fred was originally a WC critic who rejected some of the more extreme theories. As Fred points out, it is hard to understand exactly what Jim is trying to say here, Is he saying Fred was a "fake" critic that was planted by the CIA? Who knows? But clearly Fred was a responsible critic who eventually became a "lone nutter." Which is exactly what his writings show. 

[W. Tracy Parnell]

1 hour ago, John Kowalski said:

Tracy:

He has written two books about JFK so he should be sure about his convictions, so don't you think that Fred should debate Jim?

He "should" if he wants to. The difficulty may be finding a neutral moderator and format.