JFK Revisited and Homophobia

[Joe Bauer]

5 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

David:

It was not Shaw and Ferrie's idea to have Oswald register.

This was done at the bequest of Reeves Morgan, the second person Oswald saw up there. He told Oswald when LHO visited his home that he would likely have a better chance of being hired if such was the case.

So that is what Oswald told Shaw , who was outside waiting for him in the car as witnessed by Reeves' son, Van, who was playing in the front yard.

That is why he went to the voter registrar's office.  But they did not know about the CORE rally going on.  And it was not just the people signing up, but two other factors.  First, the registrar's office was on what was probably the  main street in Clinton, across from the large, stately  court house. Second, CORE was expert at this kind of thing, so they had observers there.  And then, when Sheriff Manchester walked up to the car, and asked Shaw who he was and he produced an ID, well that kind of blew it.  The HSCA thought so highly of Manchester they had him testify in executive session.

Thank you.

[David Andrews]

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

David:

It was not Shaw and Ferrie's idea to have Oswald register.

This was done at the bequest of Reeves Morgan, the second person Oswald saw up there. He told Oswald when LHO visited his home that he would likely have a better chance of being hired if such was the case.

So that is what Oswald told Shaw , who was outside waiting for him in the car as witnessed by Reeves' son, Van, who was playing in the front yard.

That is why he went to the voter registrar's office.  But they did not know about the CORE rally going on.  And it was not just the people signing up, but two other factors.  First, the registrar's office was on what was probably the  main street in Clinton, across from the large, stately  court house. Second, CORE was expert at this kind of thing, so they had observers there.  And then, when Sheriff Manchester walked up to the car, and asked Shaw who he was and he produced an ID, well that kind of blew it.  The HSCA thought so highly of Manchester they had him testify in executive session.

Right, I remember the order of things, now, thanks.

I understand the theory that the whole point was to get LHO a job at the East Louisiana Hospital, so his employment file could be converted to a patient file.  But this was the same Oswald (or not?) who was put to work by Banister passing out leaflets that summer on Canal Street (August 9) and in front of Shaw's Trade Mart (August 16).  What would be the point of stashing him many, many miles away in Clinton in either late August or early September 1963, as Morgan remembered it?  Especially since an early September residency in Clinton might conflict Oswald's work attendance, or fabricated inpatient status, with his late September "Mexico trip."  And where would psychiatric detention have fit in with his early-mid August street activities? 

Was Clinton organized to hide Oswald far from NOLA while he was impersonated in Mexico, and not to paint him as a mental patient?  After all, he would need a new job in Dallas soon...

Edited February 10, 2022 by David Andrews

[David Andrews]

Double-posted, sorry, please delete.

Edited February 10, 2022 by David Andrews

[James DiEugenio]

The reason this was done up there, in my view, would be to make it harder to double check it.

In other words, if it had been done in New Orleans or near it, it might be that an enterprising reporter--if such a thing existed in this case--would actually visit the place. Unlikely to happen in that deserted hamlet, 110 miles north.

There was a stretch of time between mid August, and when Oswald allegedly visited Mexico City that amounted to about 5-6 weeks which would have been a window for this to occur.

No one knows the exact dates, since the FBI dumped any of the reports from Reeves Morgan.  The two HSCA guys, Buras and Delsa, thought it happened in either late August or early September.

 

[David Andrews]

Where did the theory that Oswald would have his mental hospital employment file switched for a patient file originate, anyway?

Edited February 11, 2022 by David Andrews

[James DiEugenio]

That was Jim Garrison's idea.

If you track the visit, from the first person he encounters, the barber Edwin McGehee, to Reeves Morgan, to his standing in line, to Palmer telling him he really did not need to do that, to the four people who saw him inside the hospital and going to the personnel office, that is the logical conclusion.  Then if you add in the people who worked there who were known by SAS or Ochsner, then the file switch becomes very possible.

One thing that really struck me when they declassified the files on this.  When Palmer tested him, and asked him who he knew up there, Oswald knew the names of two of the doctors at the hospital.  And when the HSCA got the list of employees at the time, both names were on it.

Whew.

BTW, what does Clinton/Jackson have to do with homophobia?

Edited February 11, 2022 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

BTW, does this have anything to do with homophobia?

https://nypost.com/2022/02/05/jfk-assassination-expert-lone-gunman-theory-is-still-bulls-t/

Cyril is getting a lot of print notice both in the USA and in England on this.

He wisely delayed the release of his book until JFK Revisited debuted, and had Oliver write the intro.

[David Andrews]

5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, what does Clinton/Jackson have to do with homophobia?

We arrived here because members were discussing the covert relations between Shaw-Ferrie-Oswald.  I questioned whether Shaw relied on Ferrie to handle Oswald not because they moved in two of the same circles, but because Banister supplied Ferrie as handler.  This would have been a mistake for Shaw, because Ferrie's visibility as a homosexual increased Shaw's visibility, adding one more point of identification to "Clay Bertrand."  My point in defending you and Oliver Stone throughout was that Garrison was not witch hunting homosexuals, but that the homosexual associations of Shaw and Ferrie made them visible and memorable.  One could also blame Dean Andrews, who did the worst job of shutting up, and connected Bertrand to homosexuals.

Edited February 12, 2022 by David Andrews

[Bob Ness]

46 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

This would have been a mistake for Shaw, because Ferrie's visibility as a homosexual increased Shaw's visibility, adding one more point of identification to "Clay Bertrand." 

This is a really good point (NPI). That's exactly why. They could have been associated through Free Masonry for example and that would have been a common point of identification without making Garrison a "Masoniphobe". All the accusations thrown at Garrison being homophobic is a distraction intended to obscure the underlying issues. That's true even if today we would consider Garrison's attitudes towards homosexuals somewhat backwards.

Edited February 11, 2022 by Bob Ness

[Denny Zartman]

27 minutes ago, Bob Ness said:

They could have been associated through Free Masonry for example and that would have been a common point of identification without making Garrison a "Masoniphobe". All the accusations thrown at Garrison being homophobic is a distraction intended to obscure the underlying issues. That's true even if today we would consider Garrison's attitudes towards homosexuals somewhat backwards.

Bob nailed it here.

[James DiEugenio]

Three insightful comments gentlemen.

Thanks.

[James DiEugenio]

BTW, I am not done with James Kirchick and Graydon Carter's new online ZIne..

 

I will be posting something soon.