Pat Speer Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 hour ago, David Andrews said: It's true enough, Pat. But for all the murder Americans have stood by and ignored, we all ought to be slouching on thrones of skulls, drinking from the craniums of dead overseas children. You pick the country. I fancy East Timor. We're really getting short-shrifted here. But, complain and they'll kill you, too. Yes, that Smedley Butler was onto something... When I first got sucked into researching the Kennedy case I binge-bought several thousand books on history, politics, law, etc. And among these books were a number on the U.S.' special role in history. These books actually claimed the U.S. had a special role as described in the Bible and that it was our Christian duty to spread Capitalism (God's favorite economic system) to the world. I'm not kidding. This thinking was apparently quite commonplace among the richest fat cats all the way down to members of the local Rotary Club. I remember, moreover, that several of these books singled out one American as the spiritual leader of the Christian Capitalist movement to conquer the world : John Foster Dulles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, Pat Speer said: Yes, that Smedley Butler was onto something... When I first got sucked into researching the Kennedy case I binge-bought several thousand books on history, politics, law, etc. And among these books were a number on the U.S.' special role in history. These books actually claimed the U.S. had a special role as described in the Bible and that it was our Christian duty to spread Capitalism (God's favorite economic system) to the world. I'm not kidding. This thinking was apparently quite commonplace among the richest fat cats all the way down to members of the local Rotary Club. I remember, moreover, that several of these books singled out one American as the spiritual leader of the Christian Capitalist movement to conquer the world : John Foster Dulles. Pat, did you by any chance read Carroll Quigley’s “Tragedy & Hope” or “The Anglo-American Establishment”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chris Barnard said: Pat, did you by any chance read Carroll Quigley’s “Tragedy & Hope” or “The Anglo-American Establishment”? No, I don't think I did. The books I was referring to were mostly paperbacks from the 50's and 60's I picked up at a store that sold old paperbacks 10 for a dollar. The books would have titles like "America in Prophecy" or "John Foster Dulles: Christian Hero." (Not real titles as far as I know.) I wouldn't read them cover to cover, but just enough to get the essence of what they were saying. Some of these books would even have stickers on the front saying "One million sold" or some such thing. So I know they weren't self-published manifestos. These were mass-market books. The kind sold in grocery store spinner racks. Edited June 17, 2022 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Pat Speer said: No, I don't think I did. The books I was referring to were mostly paperbacks from the 50's and 60's I picked up at a store that sold old paperbacks 10 for a dollar. The books would have titles like "America in Prophecy" or "John Foster Dulles: Christian Hero." (Not real titles as far as I know.) I wouldn't read them cover to cover, but just enough to get the essence of what they were saying. Some of these books would even have stickers on the front saying "One million sold" or some such thing. So I know they weren't self-published manifestos. These were mass-market books. The kind sold in grocery store spinner racks. In my household growing up John Foster Dulles was the epitome of what was wrong in America.We had books like It Can’t Happen Here and The Ugly American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 23 hours ago, Pat Speer said: The current problem is the global market for energy and food. Russia and Ukraine energy and food are currently unavailable, so their former customers are buying from American companies and competing with the American consumer. Thus, more demand for the same pie. Thus, higher prices. If we were to withdraw from these global markets, moreover, it would open up a new can of worms. Some of our allies would come crawling back to Russia, and embolden Hitler to move on from the Sudetenland to Poland. So we're pretty much screwed as long as Putin plays Risk or whatever that board game was where you conquered the world. One solution might be for Biden to put a limit on profits, and force American companies to sell their products at a lower mark-up here than they get elsewhere. But this is a no-win situation for a Democrat. He would immediately be labeled a socialist and the big companies would flood the airwaves and internet with commercials and exposes on how Joe Biden is a wanna-be Stalin, or some such thing. So if we're looking for a Deep State. That would be it, IMO. "The business of America is business". And boy, do they know it... Pat - good analysis. Didn’t Nixon institute wage and price controls? Wonder what that would be like or if it’s even possible now in a far more globally connected economy? I know you didn’t exactly say this, but more demand doesn’t necessarily mean short supply. We are being force fed the notion that supply chain disruption explains everything. The dollar is at multi year highs. That would imply that it’s even harder for countries to buy American commodities, harder to compete with American consumers. So why is gasoline zooming up here? Or food, based on wholesale prices for feed grains? Or agricultural chemicals? In short, I don’t think our current inflation is based so much on macroeconomic forces but rather on price gouging. Your suggestion that a Biden attack on price gouging would be met with a full court media blitz is well taken. If I were advising him I’d say go full frontal, call it price gouging, and repeat those words over and over in Congress, make Republicans hold the ‘supply chain’ banner and shoot holes in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: Pat - good analysis. Didn’t Nixon institute wage and price controls? Wonder what that would be like or if it’s even possible now in a far more globally connected economy? I know you didn’t exactly say this, but more demand doesn’t necessarily mean short supply. We are being force fed the notion that supply chain disruption explains everything. The dollar is at multi year highs. That would imply that it’s even harder for countries to buy American commodities, harder to compete with American consumers. So why is gasoline zooming up here? Or food, based on wholesale prices for feed grains? Or agricultural chemicals? In short, I don’t think our current inflation is based so much on macroeconomic forces but rather on price gouging. Your suggestion that a Biden attack on price gouging would be met with a full court media blitz is well taken. If I were advising him I’d say go full frontal, call it price gouging, and repeat those words over and over in Congress, make Republicans hold the ‘supply chain’ banner and shoot holes in it. I agree. Even if they are only slightly gouging, the message needs to be sent that he is on the side of consumers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 14 hours ago, Chris Barnard said: Hi Paul, I have a couple of things things to say. What did you think of my first post and explanation? If you were going to control the USA, the dominant military and economic force in the world and China, a country outwardly appearing to compete for that role, how would you do it? What I mean is; would such an undertaking benefit from tremendous organisation and structure? Or, could you do without it? As you know, I like to independently think, and often start with "who benefits" and work backwards to an event, as opposed to started with a SCAD (state crime against democracy) and work outwards. Both methods should match. If a random collection of variables converge and it benefits a group of people once, that can be an isolated thing. If it happens time and time again, it's a pattern. If we get a pattern that defies probability, then our way of thinking surely most centre on that idea of the "cui bono" logic. Ultimately, when the Defender and co are running articles like the one I skim read before firing it over, lt's perhaps telling. Its becoming not quite commonplace, but, popular. Now this could be an idea that is infectious but, it could also be the normalising of an agenda that's gone on for 100 years. If the agenda does exist, I think this would be the final stage before it really comes to fruition. We actually see the normalisation of all sorts of things via media, film, editorials and in popular culture. Let's take the CIA for example as just one of many organisations who appear as a facilitator or corrupt doings. Film now openly portrays them as doing tremendous wrongs but, they lace such productions with a hero archetype of vies against some bad dudes in the same organisation. We leave the cinema thinking not thinking that the organisation is very dangerous but, that there is good and bad within it but, that a hero triumphs for good. This then explains away our past 60-70 years of wrongful policy. There are those who believe in 'predictive programming' as a tool and IMO I don't see why it wouldn't work. Measuring public opinion I can see a lot of apathy, timidity and the feeling of futility. Individual thinkers are in short supply and groupthink is the norm. People just crave entertainment and pleasure, anything that distracts them from a reality that troubles of nags the subconscious. I think the social scientists and psychologists have done a great job at this. We have an afraid world and relative safety in the west since WW2, a constant supply of fear and an ever increasing insatiable appetite for safety. What this all largely amounts to is taking away the public appetite for mass civil unrest and potential revolution. The media set at opposing poles spins any catastrophic events on factions linked to political ideologies, or, on some supposedly random things like a pandemic or mad Russo tyrant with illusions of new empire or taking back the old. What never is pointed out is the oligarchy, the beneficiaries, raking in wealth at an almost ever increasing rate. ie the people who own the media and their class. IMHO, we're at the point where various alternative media sources are waking up and smelling the coffee. They might not exactly understand the how (the finer details) but, they know, like yourself, that something is happening and it isn't good for us. You mentioned you spend an hour per day studying the markets. I have another question; if you did subscribe to the idea that the Davos lot, the WEF were pulling the strings globally and invested accordingly, would you have made money or lost money? I sat and had this conversation last night at dinner with a good friend who has a background as and qualifications in economics. He is staunchly pro capitalism and says we need more free markets and that the system has been corrupted. He too, like me, thinks we're in a rigged game, as the oligarchy has it tentacles controlling everything they possibly can and that he can see socialism being used as the tool to completely stop any social mobility, there will be no way to go up social strata and no way to go down. He doesn't call this system any of the terms we use here in this thread but, his view is very similar to mine. Again, I'll ask; would this work better if there. was a great deal of organisation to accomplish this, or could it be done through whispers and winging it? I believe it needs a lot of organisation, which starts with controlling the money supply and bodies like the CFR and Royal Institute of International Affairs. The MO for control seems eerily like the one Prouty talked about when he described how the CIA infiltrated the military. What do you make of the long list of illustrious WEF future leaders? What is the actual function of the WEF? Lots to think about. First, yes I mostly agree with your first post in this thread, for instance that the newly minted billionaires want seats at the tables controlled by old money. I think big bets financially are on commodities like farm land and aquifers. I’ve looked for ways to follow this bet but it appears mostly privately held. I wonder how Trump and his movement fit with the worldview you lay out. Was he a preordained president then, or in the future? It’s hard to imagine Cecil Rhodes in his grave rooting for a breakdown of civil society, even in service of a longer term aim of a totalitarian technocratic New World Order. The Ruling Class - forgive my Commie terminology - is also the New World Order. 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David Andrews Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/17/2022 at 2:16 AM, Pat Speer said: Yes, that Smedley Butler was onto something... When I first got sucked into researching the Kennedy case I binge-bought several thousand books on history, politics, law, etc. And among these books were a number on the U.S.' special role in history. These books actually claimed the U.S. had a special role as described in the Bible and that it was our Christian duty to spread Capitalism (God's favorite economic system) to the world. I'm not kidding. This thinking was apparently quite commonplace among the richest fat cats all the way down to members of the local Rotary Club. I remember, moreover, that several of these books singled out one American as the spiritual leader of the Christian Capitalist movement to conquer the world : John Foster Dulles. "The long-held explanation is grisly: according to reports made soon after the conflict [Battle of Waterloo], the bones were collected, pulverised and turned into fertiliser for agricultural use. “'It is certainly a singular fact that Great Britain should have sent out multitudes of soldiers to fight the battles of this country upon the continent of Europe, and should then import the bones as an article of commerce to fatten her soil!' the London Observer reported in November 1822." https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jun/18/mystery-of-waterloos-dead-soldiers-to-be-re-examined-by-academics Personally, I desire Patrice Lumumba's gold tooth, mounted in an impressive reliquary, as the crowning ornament for my throne of skulls (see above). Right up there with Geronimo's skull looted for the Skull and Bones frat house. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/18/belgium-patrice-lumumba-gold-tooth-return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) On 6/16/2022 at 11:43 AM, Pat Speer said: So if we're looking for a Deep State. That would be it, IMO. "The business of America is business". And boy, do they know it... Right Pat, and what I've been saying. There is no "deep state" in that there's nothing hidden. It's been going on, out in the open, and in full gear for all our lives. It's more appropriately called "business as usual". But not it's just America. Now the world has become more finite and a smaller and smaller % of people are controlling a greater and greater % of the worlds resources. And more people are becoming misplaced, marginalized, and suffering. Edited June 18, 2022 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said: Right Pat, and what I've been saying. There is no "deep state" in that there's nothing hidden. It's been going on, out in the open, and in full gear for all our lives. It's more appropriately called "business as usual". But not it's just America. Now the world has become more finite and a smaller and smaller % of people are controlling a greater and greater % of the worlds resources. And more people are becoming misplaced, marginalized, and suffering. “There is no deep state in that there is nothing hidden”. You really believe that? Of course I agree with the rest of what you wrote. And there is plenty that is not hidden. But really? It’s how they exercise power that is cloaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 How do they exercise power Paul? What are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) The question of Geronimo's remains is not a laughing matter. When the Apaches sued Skull & Bones to reclaim what they said was Geronimo's skull and two femurs, brought to the clubhouse by Prescott Bush et al., the Bonesmen offered to return to the tribe what they said was the skull of a ten-year-old Indian child. That of course raises the question of what the Bonesmen were doing with the skull of a ten-year-old Indian child in their basement in New Haven. The two men who offered to return the child's skull were Jonathan Bush, brother of Bonesman George H. W. Bush and son of Prescott, and attorney Endicott Peabody Davison. https://www.sfreporter.com/news/coverstories/2009/07/01/the-strange-saga-of-geronimos-skull/ Edited June 19, 2022 by Joseph McBride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Joseph McBride said: The question of Geronimo's remains is not a laughing matter. When the Apaches sued Skull & Bones to reclaim what they said was Geronimo's skull and two femurs, brought to the clubhouse by Prescott Bush et al., the Bonesmen offered to return to the tribe what they said was the skull of a ten-year-old Indian child. That of course raises the question of what the Bonesmen were doing with the skull of a ten-year-old Indian child in their basement in New Haven. The two men who offered to return the child's skull were Jonathan Bush, brother of Bonesman George H. W. Bush and son of Prescott, and attorney Endicott Peabody Davison. https://www.sfreporter.com/news/coverstories/2009/07/01/the-strange-saga-of-geronimos-skull/ The skull and bones got their name from a long-time tradition of grave-robbing and placing skulls and bones in their clubhouse. (Oh those college boys--such cut-ups!) Although they spread the myth they stole Geronimo's bones, this was not true. Hence, when busted, they returned the Native American bones they had been pretending were Geronimo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 What's your evidence to support that the bones were not those of Geronimo? I assume you've seen the original Skull & Bones document. Prescott Bush was stationed at Fort Sill when the grave was robbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said: How do they exercise power Paul? What are you referring to? Yes, this idea that stuff is hidden doesn't make much sense to me. Thanks to the internet, no one gets away with subterfuge unnoticed anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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