Tom Gram Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Tony Rose said: Right off the bat, Carrol doesn't know who he took the pistol from. How does that link it to Oswald? Allegations of a planted revolver aside, the problem is that the post-arrest chain of custody of the revolver is convoluted to the point of being suspicious as all hell. There are a lot of things on which I don’t agree with David Josephs, but he did a great job on this topic in the following essay, starting on page 16: https://www.kennedysandking.com/images/pdf/JosephsPistol.pdf There are a couple additional things worth mentioning: 1) Bentley’s initials (but only Bentley’s initials) are visible in the archive catalog photos of CE 143. 2) NARA has officially agreed to take new catalog photos showing all the initials on the gun. This came about through a request I made through the Special Access branch about a month or so ago. I will believe it when I see the photos, but NARA is now on the record saying it’s happening. I read Josephs’ essay a while ago but didn’t remember it. The evidence form with Davenport having the pistol and shells in his possession at 3:30 is mind-boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Nice one Tom. I thought that was one of David's best. Between the fact that there is no 302 from REA, and the chain of custody problems afterwards, i mean whew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Kalin Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 On 7/21/2022 at 8:28 AM, Gil Jesus said: I would say so. Calloway was consistent with his BS story while Markham's changed every half an hour. Callaway's BS story was not consistent. He changed the fugitive's weapon from an automatic to a revolver. He also described two different routes only 11 days apart for the cab chase in which he claimed to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brown Posted July 23, 2022 Author Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/20/2022 at 6:08 PM, Gil Jesus said: Personally, I don't think either one of these men saw the killer. Callaway's story that he confronted an armed man heading his way after he heard five shots is as good a BS story as I've ever heard. Additionally, that he was supposedly unarmed is even crazier. He didn't grow balls until he had Tippit's gun in his hands. I'm sure that both these guys saw the killer coming their way and took cover between the cars in the lot. First, Callaway didn't say he "confronted" the gunman. Second, Callaway explained that at first, he believed the man was law enforcement or security. This is what was in his mind when he hollered at the man from across the street, asking him what was going on. No "balls" required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brown Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 On 7/20/2022 at 8:37 PM, Joseph McBride said: An FBI document says Oswald was never arraigned for the murder of JFK, only for the murder of Tippit, although he was charged with both murders. And a point about Calloway -- his escapade taking Tippit's service weapon and joyriding with it broke the chain of custody on that particular gun. Of what significance is the chain of custody for Tippit's service revolver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brown Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 7:14 AM, Gil Jesus said: When the shooting occurred, Scoggins bailed out of his cab like a scared rabbit and was lying next to it in the street. He never saw the killer's face and that's why he picked the wrong picture. Do you still stand by your claim that Scoggins was actually lying in the street? You use the claim as a crutch to support your idea that he never saw the killer's face. I've never seen anything anywhere saying that Scoggins was actually lying down in the street. Since you're using it (lying in the street beside the cab) as a crutch for your claim (that he never saw the killer's face), it matters. Where did you get it from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Roe Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 On 7/21/2022 at 4:42 PM, Joseph McBride said: n that post, I must have erred on adding Fritz to Wade being involved in the Adams case, sorry and thanks, Steve, but later DA Watkins found about 300 cases worth investigating in which Wade was dubiously involved and cleared about 30 of the convicted people before the voters kicked him out of the office. Errol Morris found the evidence in Wade's files after Wade let him rummage through them. That is what led to exonerating Randall Dale Adams of his false conviction for a cop-killing. Correction noted. Thanks for being honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hilliard Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Mr Brown starts repetitive threads based on ---Oswald shot Tippit. Outsized in one ...he begins another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kelly Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Disruptive threads often use a tactic called "sealioning" to derail discussions of important but contentious issues, with the intent of provoking emotional responses or manipulating others’ perception. The term originated in an online comic by cartoonist David Malki, where a sea lion acrimoniously follows someone around - asking for sources, evidence and explanations for their opinion - all while loudly demanding a reasonable discussion. The sealioner makes relentless demands for answers and evidence. For more about this tactic, see the essays in the collection "Perspectives on Harmful Speech Online", published by the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 LOL. ROTF, great one Gene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 So, this might be called what Joseph McBride terms in his book Political Truth one of those "Weapons of Mass Distraction"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kelly Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 The Harvard essays characterize as follows: Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning — often about basic information, information on easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points — with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. It disguises itself as a sincere attempt to learn and communicate. Sealioning thus works both to exhaust a target’s patience, attention, and communicative effort, and to portray the target as unreasonable. While the questions of the “sea lion” may seem innocent, they’re intended maliciously and have harmful consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Gene: Thanks so much for that. I had no idea it was such a written about and examined phenomenon. That cartoon strip is beyond good, its memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Thanks Mr. Kelly. Sealioning does fit the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) Paul: Totally agree. Talk about pinning the tail on the donkey. Edited July 27, 2022 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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