James DiEugenio Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Joe, i already described who was there. Did you miss that one? It was a producer agent and his wife. Lawford was aware of the problems MM had and he wanted to get her out of the house. IMO, if she had gone over there she likely would not have overdosed. And this is why Lawford felt so guilty about the whole thing. He felt he should have gone over and picked her up. Cory are you really trying to say that Don is wrong on this? And he is basing this on nothing but bloggers? Whew. the guy wrote a 600 page book, and he went through 900 pages of documents from the Fowler collection at Cal State Northridge that no one had found, and you are saying he is full of it? Plus he consults with Gary Vitacco Robles who wrote a three volume biographical set of about 800 pages? And this is relying on bloggers? Edited October 12, 2022 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 7 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Joe, i already described who was there. Did you miss that one? It was a producer agent and his wife. Lawford was aware of the problems MM had and he wanted to get her out of the house. IMO, if she had gone over there she likely would not have overdosed. And this is why Lawford felt so guilty about the whole thing. He felt he should have gone over and picked her up. Cory are you really trying to say that Don is wrong on this? And he is basing this on nothing but bloggers? Whew. the guy wrote a 600 page book, and he went through 900 pages of documents from the Fowler collection at Cal State Northridge that no one had found, and you are saying he is full of it? Plus he consults with Gary Vitacco Robles who wrote a three volume biographical set of about 800 pages? And this is relying on bloggers? No, that is not what I said. But I would like those questions answered if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 I'm just reporting what Rupert Allan told me and believed. You may pick holes in his account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 MM was traumatized from a very young age. Her childhood up to teen years was so unstable and emotionally neglectful it was simply tragic. She carried that trauma throughout her adult life. She was blessed with physical beauty that was so incredibly bewitching to men this actually made her life harder. Imagine the constant never ending sexual advances made by men all around her. Rewatching MM perform that overly sultry and breathy "Happy Birthday Mr. President" act for JFK ...I actually feel sorry for her. She was way overly dramatic with wildly swinging arms, leg stomping and exaggerated lip pursing to the point of appearing kind of drugged or in the least champagned up. Some might say she kind of made a fool of herself. But who organized her sad stunt? Who put her up to it? Always somebody pushing MM to do things that were not in her best interest. As much as JFK loved attractive women who were sexually available I would be surprised that he never got close to MM, if even once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 57 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: MM was traumatized from a very young age. Her childhood up to teen years was so unstable and emotionally neglectful it was simply tragic. She carried that trauma throughout her adult life. She was blessed with physical beauty that was so incredibly bewitching to men this actually made her life harder. Imagine the constant never ending sexual advances made by men all around her. Rewatching MM perform that overly sultry and breathy "Happy Birthday Mr. President" act for JFK ...I actually feel sorry for her. She was way overly dramatic with wildly swinging arms, leg stomping and exaggerated lip pursing to the point of appearing kind of drugged or in the least champagned up. Some might say she kind of made a fool of herself. But who organized her sad stunt? Who put her up to it? Always somebody pushing MM to do things that were not in her best interest. As much as JFK loved attractive women who were sexually available I would be surprised that he never got close to MM, if even once. Thank you Joe for your comments. Fine points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) HARPER'S MAGAZINE November 2022 Cover title: Why Marilyn Monroe Matters Article title: Some Like It Hot: Notes from the Marilyn Appreciation Society (eight pages in length) By Sophie Lewis "Blonde, a Pulitzer finalist and unsparing, self-conscious attempt at a great American novel, sets out to fictionalize the entire life of the star, also at a distance, beginning with Monroe's traumatic childhood and ending in her lurid murder by an FBI sharpshooter. The author's general theme is mythic: presenting the universal, eternal abuse of Woman. The resulting saga is hellish -- 'Why,' the question is posed, 'did the world want to jam itself to the bloody hilt like a great tumescent sword in Marilyn' -- and the protagonist is kind of void: the author often calls her 'the Blond Actress,' 'the Girl,' 'the Girl with No Name,' and 'the Beggar Maid'. She is 'trapped on this blond mannequin with the face.' [Author Joyce Carol] Oates's archetype, as such, does little else than gaspingly suffer. Alone in the bathhouse, JFK says to Marilyn: 'You're alive to be touched. To be breathed upon like a flame. Alive to be hurt, even.' "After Oates saw a rough cut of the film adaption, directed by Andew Dominik, in the summer of 2022, she called it 'brilliant,' and expressed surprise that it was an "utterly 'feminist' interpretation.'" Edited October 25, 2022 by Douglas Caddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) We have actual documented proof that she was being monitored by the FBI due to her activities. There is no debate about this. Now this would seem to logically follow one of two scenarios. One, the Kennedy’s knew about the surveillance or they didn’t. Assuming they did not know about it, the question is whether this gave Hoover and others a great opportunity to get dirt on the Kennedys IF the two had at a minimum just a friendly relationship with her? Associating with a potential communist sympathizer-which is how the fbi reports seem to look at her- gives a bad impression publicly to the brothers just by association. Recall, Sinatra became unwelcome due to his connections. Edited October 25, 2022 by Cory Santos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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