I'm Just A Patsy!

[Ron Ege]

19 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

You think?

Joe, thanks.

Of course; seemingly by comment(s), others do not.🤗

[Ron Bulman]

On 2/3/2023 at 5:32 PM, Joe Bauer said:

You think?

No.  I think Lee realized he was in way over his head way beyond the DPD.  He may not have realized how he was being manipulated.  But when the deal went down he knew who he had ultimately been working for, and that he was screwed.  A patsy.

[Pat Speer]

29 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

No.  I think Lee realized he was in way over his head way beyond the DPD.  He may not have realized how he was being manipulated.  But when the deal went down he knew who he had ultimately been working for, and that he was screwed.  A patsy.

FWIW, I spent some time studying the 1954 coup in Guatemala, in which the CIA overthrew Arbenz. While researching this coup, I found a book about America's poor treatment of Latin America, and Guatemala in general. A few years after Arbenz fled, the general we picked to replace him, Castillo-Armas, was himself assassinated. His assassin was one of his bodyguards, who was killed as he tried to flee. Upon searching his body the other guards found a...wait for it...communist party membership card. He was a card-carrying communist! 

Only not everyone fell for it. Within one of the books I read on Guatemala was the notes to a U.S. National Security meeting in which the assassination of Castillo-Armas was discussed. One veteran intelligence expert voiced his belief the card-carrying communist bit was a fake, and that the murder was an inside job made to look like a commie hit.

The nay-sayer as I recall was Allen Dulles!

[Matthew Koch]

IDK, The Gretta stuff might have been the straw that broke the Camel's back.. 

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

IDK, The Gretta stuff might have been the straw that broke the Camel's back.. 

 

He’s the guy who said: First they “cancel” you, then they put you in jail, and if that doesn’t work, they kill you. 

[John Cotter]

2 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

He’s the guy who said: First they “cancel” you, then they put you in jail, and if that doesn’t work, they kill you. 

I heard about him only recently when he became the latest bete noir whom the masses were told to hate. Demonisation rather than dialogue is what western "democracy" is reduced to, which is why it's probably doomed.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, John Cotter said:

I heard about him only recently when he became the latest bete noir whom the masses were told to hate. Demonisation rather than dialogue is what western "democracy" is reduced to, which is why it's probably doomed.

As far as MSM and government institutions are concerned, he is most certainly ‘persona non grata’, but, that’s only Plato’s cave wall that people are looking at. The reality is; he has done something quite remarkable in terms of reaching the masses organically online, despite all of the restrictions on him, his brother and associates posting. After cancelation the public took it on themselves to repost everything, Tik Tok and Instagram are awash with his advice. He has tapped into what is deficient in a dysfunctional society and is giving those suffering aspirations, and a different path. I could list all of my criticisms or what I think he is doing well but, it’s not really relevant to him being held indefinitely with his brother (upto 6 months) while the prosecution decide if they have a case or not and gather evidence. Two of the supposed victims have said they are not victims at all and have protested the Tate brothers innocence. The prosecution are suggesting he (Andrew Tate) has some ‘mind control’ / dark psychology techniques, and consenting women were under this spell. A few weeks back transcripts of Andrew Tate’s electronic communications were leaked which matched his idiolect, and this apparently came from the police force. I am thinking; why would you leak such a thing when in a fair justice system, it would then prejudice any trial and mean he can walk. The truth is; nothing is adding up.

We’ll see what happens, I am not privy to the sensitive information. What I do know is that he has lambasted ‘the system’ in a way that no other person has, with such effectiveness. 
 

I am with you, it has to come down before it can get better. After all its built on a tissue of lies that surely must collapse under their own weight. I am no fan of Marx but, he got one thing right, and I’ll say it again; he said the end days of capitalism would be rife with corruption and oligarchs would be cannibalising state institutions. We’re somewhere between Aldous and George right now. 😞 

[John Cotter]

1 hour ago, Chris Barnard said:

As far as MSM and government institutions are concerned, he is most certainly ‘persona non grata’, but, that’s only Plato’s cave wall that people are looking at. The reality is; he has done something quite remarkable in terms of reaching the masses organically online, despite all of the restrictions on him, his brother and associates posting. After cancelation the public took it on themselves to repost everything, Tik Tok and Instagram are awash with his advice. He has tapped into what is deficient in a dysfunctional society and is giving those suffering aspirations, and a different path. I could list all of my criticisms or what I think he is doing well but, it’s not really relevant to him being held indefinitely with his brother (upto 6 months) while the prosecution decide if they have a case or not and gather evidence. Two of the supposed victims have said they are not victims at all and have protested the Tate brothers innocence. The prosecution are suggesting he (Andrew Tate) has some ‘mind control’ / dark psychology techniques, and consenting women were under this spell. A few weeks back transcripts of Andrew Tate’s electronic communications were leaked which matched his idiolect, and this apparently came from the police force. I am thinking; why would you leak such a thing when in a fair justice system, it would then prejudice any trial and mean he can walk. The truth is; nothing is adding up.

We’ll see what happens, I am not privy to the sensitive information. What I do know is that he has lambasted ‘the system’ in a way that no other person has, with such effectiveness. 
 

I am with you, it has to come down before it can get better. After all its built on a tissue of lies that surely must collapse under their own weight. I am no fan of Marx but, he got one thing right, and I’ll say it again; he said the end days of capitalism would be rife with corruption and oligarchs would be cannibalising state institutions. We’re somewhere between Aldous and George right now. 😞 

Thanks for that informative post, Chris.

[Ron Bulman]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:02 PM, Pat Speer said:

FWIW, I spent some time studying the 1954 coup in Guatemala, in which the CIA overthrew Arbenz. While researching this coup, I found a book about America's poor treatment of Latin America, and Guatemala in general. A few years after Arbenz fled, the general we picked to replace him, Castillo-Armas, was himself assassinated. His assassin was one of his bodyguards, who was killed as he tried to flee. Upon searching his body the other guards found a...wait for it...communist party membership card. He was a card-carrying communist! 

Only not everyone fell for it. Within one of the books I read on Guatemala was the notes to a U.S. National Security meeting in which the assassination of Castillo-Armas was discussed. One veteran intelligence expert voiced his belief the card-carrying communist bit was a fake, and that the murder was an inside job made to look like a commie hit.

The nay-sayer as I recall was Allen Dulles!

Thanks Pat.  That last line and the paragraph before made me chuckle.  He ought to know if anyone should.  I'd bet David Talbot would appreciate this.

[Roger DeLaria]

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

Thanks Pat.  That last line and the paragraph before made me chuckle.  He ought to know if anyone should.  I'd bet David Talbot would appreciate this.

One half of the brothers Dulles, the architects of regime change....

 

[Joe Bauer]

Any police interrogator would love to hear his perp suspect target claim..."I am just a patsy!"

Oh boy...the windows of others involved opportunity revealing that statement opens up would be very inspiring.

 

Edited February 8, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Joe Bauer]

I tried that "I Am Just A Patsy" innocence claim once when I was caught stealing two of my alcoholic stepfather's Country Club Stout Malt Liquor beer cans out of our frig on my way out to meet up with some fellow juvenile delinquent friends one night. This was back in the mid 1960's.

I was so afraid of the back hand consequences I spontaneously claimed I was "just a patsy! "

That my older brother coerced me into the theft with a promise of a $2 payment.

It worked!  

Our drunken step dad didn't know what to say except to slur he would kill my brother when he saw him again. The whole thing was forgotten after a long snoring passed out sleep and he couldn't remember anything the next morning.

Still...not a bad defense.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Michaleen Kilroy]

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Any police interrogator would love to hear his perp target claim..."I am just a patsy!"

Oh boy...the windows of others involved opportunity revealing that statement opens up are Tigers Blood intoxicating.

 

As I recall, the Secret Service told LHO they took his claims of innocence very seriously. LHO said he would reveal more once he had a lawyer present.

Soon after he was escorted out for his public execution.

[Michael Griffith]

Oswald's use of the word "patsy" is revealing. He could have expressed his innocence in several other ways, but he chose to use the word "patsy," which indicated he was aware he had been set up. 

When I began to study the JFK case, Oswald's vehement assertion of his innocence and use of the word "patsy" jumped out at me. I thought to myself, "If Oswald killed JFK to satisfy his alleged craving for fame, to strike back at society for his perceived mistreatment, and/or to go down in history as a courageous revolutionary, surely he would have proudly and loudly taken credit for his deed."

[Joe Bauer]

20 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

Oswald's use of the word "patsy" is revealing. He could have expressed his innocence in several other ways, but he chose to use the word "patsy," which indicated he was aware he had been set up. 

When I began to study the JFK case, Oswald's vehement assertion of his innocence and use of the word "patsy" jumped out at me. I thought to myself, "If Oswald killed JFK to satisfy his alleged craving for fame, to strike back at society for his perceived mistreatment, and/or to go down in history as a courageous revolutionary, surely he would have proudly and loudly taken credit for his deed."

Exactly the common sense belief of millions of Americans.