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The Tippit Case in the New Millenium

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6 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Where is that information about Earl Crater Gene?

Is it credible?

I'm not Gene but he's noted in The Radical Right, pg. 323 regarding the same instance, breakfast at the Pig and Whistle for Ruby, Oswald and Tippit.  Referenced to Bill Pulte, memo's to the author (Livingstone),in  1996 & 96.

Very next sentence:  " A neighbor of the Oswald's in the fall of 1962, when they lived on Elsbeth, realized after he saw someone who looked very much like Ruby on TV  after shooting Oswald, that he had seen Ruby entering the Oswald's apartment".  Also via Pulte. 

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11 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

There is a lot of speculation and no loss for unflattering characterizations about him, but what do we really know? What is the truth? When I hear Mrs. Tippet speak, I don't see a woman who would marry the lowly man that we often think of when we read the common stories about him. I would like to see a fresh and fair evaluation of him. I think he may have been more intelligent and capable that we are told. I think it would make a good thread.

See my post in about an hour.

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21 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Pate is a good witness I think.

I am also beginning to think that the Livingstone book has some good info in it.  Vince P actually recommended it.

I've had reservations about referring to it.  Not to speak ill of the dead but I've read he was shall we say abrasive with other significant researchers regarding his views.  High Treason with Robert Groden was a revelatory book for me, reading it in 91 or 92, before Oliver Stone's movie JFK, but they split.  However, it appears he did establish a good relationship with some local Dallas researchers, Professor Pulte, reporter and later Dallas Mayor Wes Wise, Larry Harris among others.  The Radical Right and the Murder of John F Kennedy  is (somewhat curiously?) dedicated to Dr. Robert McClelland.  Chapter 7 at 28 pages are about the Tippit execution.

Pg. 324.  'Tippit had a close friend, officer Billy Anglin, and both had adjoining patrol areas which included Harlandale...".   (Speculation, justified?):  "It may be that the Cubans were directed to rent a house in Tippit or Anglin's patrol district to provide them with protection and a blind eye to the arms going in and out".

Pg. 342.  "Dick Loomis... had his home at 507 E. 10th, one block from the spot where J.D. Tippit as killed".  "Loomis aunt, Myrtle Mckay lived next door and was in regular contact... was extremely upset  by the fact Ruby and Oswald were with Loomis."  "corroborated by Rydell's husband and his sister to Pulte and Lowery".  "Dick Loomis was from an old Dallas family and was an attorney specializing in oil and gas law.  The Loomis family had also been in the cotton business, as was the Jaffe family.  His law office was directly above Lamar Hunt's".   Loomis, Ruby and Oswald were seen sitting on the hood of Ruby's car drinking beer"...  "Within 90 Days of the assassination Loomis bought the 5 houses on E. 10th on the side of the street where Tippit was shot, and immediately east of the driveway where the shooting occurred." ... "Loomis then had the homes razed and had an apartment complex built in their place."

More for Michael later on Tippit himself.

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17 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

Steve:

Ruby's role is understated in the Tippit shooting. Earl Crater of the Pig and Whistle restaurant said that Oswald, Ruby and Tippit had breakfast there on a number of occasions at 7am. Crater said that Oswald never had more than a cup of coffee. In "The Other Murder - The Death of Officer Tippit Revisited", Larry Ray Harris wrote the following:

The widespread public acceptance of Oswald's guilt is such that the Tippit murder has been virtually relegated to a historical footnote. This was borne out by the House Select Committee on Assassinations; whose 1979 final report devoted a scant three paragraphs to the policeman's death -- concurring with the 1964 Warren Report conclusion that Oswald was a cop-killer. The Report also dismisses the rumor that Oswald lived near Jack Ruby, pointing out that their residences were a mile apart. However, the Tippit shooting took place only two blocks from Ruby’s home on Marsalis St..

There are accounts that one of the men observed at the Tippit scene resembled Ruby; other rumors exist that Ruby was in the Texas Theater when Oswald was apprehended. Professor Jerry Rose asserted that Ruby’s role was to assemble a group of ‘witnesses’ to Tippit’s murder (e.g. Warren Reynolds, the Davis sisters) who would testify that Oswald was the murderer. Add DPD officer Harry Olsen to the milieu of Jack Ruby associates: Olsen was fired in December 1963 and moved hastily to California with his girlfriend, Kay Coleman, another Ruby stripper. Joe McBride's book reveals that Olsen and Coleman spent several hours in a parked car with Ruby, egging him on to kill Oswald; Olsen was also responsible for the characterization of Jack Ruby as being distraught over "poor Jacqueline" having to come back to Dallas. Then there is the mysterious Dallas Police car number 107. On April 10th, the day of the Walker shooting, Jack Ruby placed a long-distance phone call from the Carousel Club to one Clarence Rector in Sulphur Springs Texas. A week later, the Dallas Police sold a 1962 Ford patrol car (# 107) to a used-car dealer who also lived in Sulphur Springs.  This same cruiser was cited as the mysterious vehicle parked outside of N. Beckley by Oswald's landlady just after he ostensibly arrived at his boarding house.  The car seen by Earlene Roberts was possibly the same car purchased by Rector, and later seen in the alley of the boarding house ... and tied to Jack Ruby.

Gene

I think the Oswald at those breakfasts might have been Crafard. That Ruby may have been involved in the ground crew for Dealey Plaza I can see easily. And Tippit - my theory is that he was at Dealey Plaza too, maybe as a shooter. His death makes the most sense to me as being necessary because he knew too much and wasn't trusted to keep quiet. 

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18 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

I've had reservations about referring to it.  Not to speak ill of the dead but I've read he was shall we say abrasive with other significant researchers regarding his views.  High Treason with Robert Groden was a revelatory book for me, reading it in 91 or 92, before Oliver Stone's movie JFK, but they split.  However, it appears he did establish a good relationship with some local Dallas researchers, Professor Pulte, reporter and later Dallas Mayor Wes Wise, Larry Harris among others.  The Radical Right and the Murder of John F Kennedy  is (somewhat curiously?) dedicated to Dr. Robert McClelland.  Chapter 7 at 28 pages are about the Tippit execution.

Pg. 324.  'Tippit had a close friend, officer Billy Anglin, and both had adjoining patrol areas which included Harlandale...".   (Speculation, justified?):  "It may be that the Cubans were directed to rent a house in Tippit or Anglin's patrol district to provide them with protection and a blind eye to the arms going in and out".

Pg. 342.  "Dick Loomis... had his home at 507 E. 10th, one block from the spot where J.D. Tippit as killed".  "Loomis aunt, Myrtle Mckay lived next door and was in regular contact... was extremely upset  by the fact Ruby and Oswald were with Loomis."  "corroborated by Rydell's husband and his sister to Pulte and Lowery".  "Dick Loomis was from an old Dallas family and was an attorney specializing in oil and gas law.  The Loomis family had also been in the cotton business, as was the Jaffe family.  His law office was directly above Lamar Hunt's".   Loomis, Ruby and Oswald were seen sitting on the hood of Ruby's car drinking beer"...  "Within 90 Days of the assassination Loomis bought the 5 houses on E. 10th on the side of the street where Tippit was shot, and immediately east of the driveway where the shooting occurred." ... "Loomis then had the homes razed and had an apartment complex built in their place."

More for Michael later on Tippit himself.

Looks like Ruby knew Oswald, and Tippit.

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First, let me say I am gratified at how long and productive this thread has been on the Tippit case.

 I really did not expect it to go over like this.  But I guess a lot of people agree with me that it needed a new look due to new information.

But let me also add, it seems that Livingstone used some info from Pulte and Lowery concerning Loomis and Crater that McBride did not.  If you read McBride's book, and I sure hope I have convinced everyone here to do so, McBride had good relations with those Dallas researchers also.  But I could not find Crater in his index, and he goes over Loomis and his alleged ties to Ruby and Oswald in about eight words. (p. 487)  

So I am assuming Joe did not feel the info was substantiated enough to include in his book.  I hope he comments on this. 

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5 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

I think the Oswald at those breakfasts might have been Crafard.

Paul,

 

(19H354) (Crafard Exhibit 5226) FBI Interview of Curtis LaVerne Crafard November29, 1963.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136&relPageId=372&search=%22Eat_Well%22

 

“Crafard would stay at the club and eat his meals at the Eat Well Cafe and the drug store across the street from the club. Money for these meals was taken from the cash register.”

 

Steve Thomas

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Whatever Livingstone writes needs to be taken with a big grain of salt

and corroborated with more reliable sources, if possible. He uses a lot of gossip and speculation and was inclined to be,

shall we say, rather intemperate. He did turn up some possible good leads to be pursued elsewhere. I left out

a lot of things from various sources that I could not substantiate. Some may be tantalizing, but there's too much speculation and mere gossip in the JFK/Tippit/Ruby/Oswald case and the literature on it already.

Edited by Joseph McBride

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It was Gladys Johnson I found guarded and suspicious, not the room itself!

I never understood why people think Dealey Plaza is small compared with

photos and films. I first visited there in 1983 and have been there frequently

since and have always found it much the way it appears on film. Maybe that

is because I saw so many films and photos of it before going there It's good

that it has not been changed much other than in a few significant details. There

was serious talk about tearing down the TSBD, but an outcry prevented it. Too bad

the Ambassador Hotel in LA was torn down with the enthusiastic support of

the Kennedy family. A bullet lost in the ceiling space could have helped

prove that there were two gunmen -- although we already have a lot of proof of that.

The first time I went in the pantry with my brother we were milling around, and

a black kitchen worker, rather than throwing us out, smiled and said, "Do you want to see where his head fell?" He showed

us the spot, from which someone or other had gouged some of the concrete. This good man

was almost venerating the spot -- unlike the Kennedy family.

Edited by Joseph McBride

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