David Josephs

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/GAST, HEINZ WILHELM PAUL_0036.pdf shows a spot for a cc to PSD Chief... I think anything related to Personnel related to the CIA gets a mention to the PSD... They helped with clearances DJ

Sounds like BRINGUIER again... Steve - so you were aware he was an FBI informant? Since Bannister was trying to get FBI assets into Cuban groups... it would follow that his movement to New Orleans was the beginning of the Dallas Patsy set-up.... (WCD47 - out of the blue the FBI investigates ARTHUR VALLE and writes reports which say there is no connection between Vallee and Oswald... while a "nut Marine", VALLEE was not infiltrating and informing on groups.... I simply do not see how Oswald was not a FBI asset while in New Orleans.... (amazingly thru all this time and careful watching, the FBI does not mention a girlfriend or significant time away from Marina to be with some other woman.... unless someone here feels that Oswald was spying on JVB and Reilly coffee.... {smile} Why add the negation of a relationship no one suggested to begin with? https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10448#relPageId=2&tab=page In that article it mentions CIA Doc 931 which = WCD 931 which is HELMS denying Oswald's involvement with anything U-2 while in Atsugi (so what was he doing there?) "Never believe ANYTHING until it has been officially denied"

No Bernie... the "public" elected Trump... I haven't the slightest interest in what the honey-boo-boo loving "public" is convinced. I'd venture to guess that most could not point to Dallas on a world map. People come HERE based on intellectual curiosity... or in a few cases to just attack everything that eludes them. What motivates you to drop in out of nowhere to ask leading and puffed up questions to then ridicule the ideas of someone else when answered... So I guess the Golden Rule question is whether you'd appreciate your own style attacking something YOU presented here in the same manner as above... When I ask YOU for evidence supporting anything you post... you freak out and hit me with all sorts of diffusion tactics - again like you do on this thread... WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO ANSWER?..... is your response.... which tells most of us here you don't have a POV because you simply don't know enough about the subject to have one... Or the POV you do have is so unsupported by any evidence you dare not present it here ??? Kinda like the MATH RULES thread.... As a math and finance major I figured I could get it.... and it still takes me hours of focused effort to understand what Chris sees in his head and explains the events as I've theorized... a 48fps film cut to size and re-filmed.... a wholesale adjustment of the data to make checking impossible... we have the WEST survey work which would never have seen the light of day if the FBI and Shaneyfelt had their way... ============== Despite the impossibility of it... there are those who still conclude that Oswald shot JFK... and no conspiracies happen in the good ole US of A. Not a matter of evidence but of staunch belief backed by the thinnest of connections... even you don't see Oswald guilty... do you? So how to proceed Bernie? Sandy is a friend... I will come to the aid of a friend, always. Especially when attacked for such baseless reasons as ridicule, and amazement. So you tell us BL... IF a car is sent to Mexico to give the impression Oswald was with co-conspirators... who would YOU put in that car and why? Was Oswald in Mexico during this time period? Was ALVARADO a Phillips asset?

Bernie, I would like nothing better than to never be attacked or attack personally... discuss the theory and/or evidence... not the general state of the community - by which you are not exactly representative... asking someone for the reasons behind their thoughts and then to attack THEM on it appears to have been your SOP all along.... I didn't fall off the truck and into this forum yesterday buddy... Here is how you entered this thread: ================ In response for support for yet another wild off the wall guess by Sandy we are treated to "most likely" "assuming" "probably" "possibly more" and then staggeringly following that with a "which means..." And all this in less than a 100 words!!! "Oswald couldn't drive. Assuming the plotters knew this, they would probably want his impostor to be a passenger." And yet you have this same imposter buying cars and trucks and applying for jobs while his 'other half' is in Russia!! But for this they hire a "car full of imposters" to keep up the subterfuge. Though you only mentioned two; Oswald and his driver. It must have been a very small car! Maybe they went by bicycle. Realising you could only rustle up two for your "car full" you then add the magic words..."Possibly more". So, there we have it. There was a car full of imposters because Sandy Larsen says so. He needs no evidence. A few maybes, a sprinkle of assumptions and mix thoroughly and you will most likely get the right answer, just like Sandy has. Great detective work. Your explanation is flawless. ================ Why in the world would anyone bother taking the time to answer THAT? But Sandy, being the bigger man, does anyway, despite my warnings... and you performed true to yourself in your dealings with him...: ============== As in the Theory of evolution? No "maybes" no "possibly"s and no assumptions on that are there? And there was certainly NO conjecture. A theory is a set of propositions yet to be unproved. That's it! Nothing to do with conjecture or wild guesswork masquerading as 'research'. The theory of evolution is a fact until someone disproves it with new evidence. Please look up the meaning of the word "theory". And yet you expect us to take your guesswork seriously? When you said there were "possibly more" In the car, do you have anything factual to go on? All we have is your guess that his handlers wouldn't have let him drive so they "probably" got another imposter to do it. Was he also an Oswald Look-alikey? Why did they need more imposters in this car? Where's the evidence for it? It sounds like an episode from Peppa Pig! (so throw in a jab, ask pointless questions for which you could care less other than making your big-brain point.... and then show off how little you perceive of the circumstances or situation... that isn't a desire to LEARN Bernie... that's just abuse. - DJ) You are on record as saying that you believe that there were "multiple" doppelgangers in operation around LHO. Did they all decide to go for a car ride together? Good job they didn't crash, can you imagine the first responders' faces on seeing a "car' full" of injured look-alikeys? And wouldn't all that have, er... slightly compromised the whole plot? Back to the drawing board Sandy and see if you can relive the glory days with another "indisputable" find ================ THIS is how you respectfully ask for evidence to support a discussion? And you wonder why you get different responses than other people? Sandy isn't selling anything... and therein lies the rub... it appears in your life everything is either win/lose, sell it/say nothing.... I'm right, you're wrong.... even worse you present the - "since you can't explain it to me you can't explain it at all" argument with pride.... when in reality you've done what? the minimum in trying to get a handle on the massive amount of info just related to Mexico. How much of the 6 chapters I wrote have you actually studied or investigated? I took 2 years digging thru thousands of reports so people like you didn't have to... so you could come to a discussion with at least a basic understanding of what the FBI/CIA/I&NS/STATE/ONI/MID pulled off. What did you ADD to Sandy's idea? Those who present conflicting evidence to the H&L concept do so to convince the opposite... to refute the concept in total... yet we see there are hundreds and hundreds of things they need to address.... the tooth situation is direct proof the man buried was not the man whose records the marine's offered... kinda simple yet those who can't live in a world where H&L is true WILL NOT ACCEPT IT... period. And that's fine Bernie... I truly could not care less what your conclusions about the JFK assassination are as I see how you go about questioning things and gathering your "evidence" to make a decision - if you even bother making a decision... most of the time, like another member here, you simply come into a thread to argue the weight of air.... anything to be contrary.... As we've said a number of time, H&L is a starting point, not ending. I believe I seriously debunked the trip aspect of the two men... I'd go on to speculate that LEE was in FL at training camps.... and if we are to believe Lorenz, he was in that caravan. Not the point here though.... US? If you behaved with that level of interest and curiosity you could be part of US... but you don't as is evident from this thread.... If you think Oswald was in Mexico, it's not right to ask one question to your 50? Why? or if not, WHY? You know my position.... but all we know of yours is that you get indignant when evidence doesn't meet your minimum requirements... You're forgotten Bernie... Tracy has the chops to put his work and conclusions out there.... you don't need to be 100% correct, just sincere about what you conclude to garner respect here... I don't agree with DVP but you can't fault the man his work.... Many, many people lurk as you've noticed. You my friend are an active combatant here... you back slap those who attack POVs with which you disagree regardless of their argument.... you just like to pick sides and create that WIN/LOSE scenario while so many of us are trying for WIN/WIN. Tell us what you THINK from the work YOU'VE done... or ask a question... a soap box cross examination... especially from you, is not why we come to discuss things here.... decide whether you want to learn or attack... ================ So how about cutting the BS and tell us whether YOU agree with the theory, the idea, that as part of the Mexico plan, the CIA sent a car of people over the border, one of these people with a LEE, HARVEY OSWALD tourist visa (again good for 15 days from arrival not 15 days from acquisition).... or was the person impersonating Oswald already in Mexico? Maybe he was flown in the night before.... You see, we don't know... this is what we DO KNOW.... even the FBI's asset at GOBERNACION cannot find OSWALD in Nov, prior to the 22nd.... and some of the greatest sources of info, LITAMIL-9 & 7 confirms and reconfirms the man they are shown to be OSWALD was not at the embassy. "Was again shown a photo of Oswald - NEVER SAW THE MAN"

Not sure I'd say EVIDENCE... This was a news report citing what MAYDON... "Believes".... See if you can find more info on either the Allen's or the BRILL's. I posted a few docs on them as the only official man and woman in a car on Sept 26.... He supposedly leaves by driving on the 3rd.... The exit evidence is even more obviously a fraud that the journey down. .---------------- As for what I believe or not.... BL likes to sow discord among others on subjects where once again he only offers incredulous amazement at a theory for which reading my work at K&K or on these forums would help immensely. Unlike you sir, people have the ability to extrapolate a theory from a series of seemingly unconnected events... IF.... there was a car related to establishing Oswald was taken to Mexico by other conspirators then by default the occupants would be CIA related... That is if you understand the Alvarado/Phillips connection and how that was handled within the Phase 1 Phase 2 planning and execution. The only direct evidence is the FM-11 which says Auto.... All other evidence comes from the CIA and is backed by STATE in their back channel communication. If you DON'T think it happened this way.... What version of events do you subscribe to and on which evidence do YOU rely? The ongoing attacks for The sake of attacking needs to end, sir. Sandy is looking at an angle... If he turns up things I've missed, great! SAYING he took a car and proving so, as we know in this case, is very difficult. Not BELIEF. Deduction. Oswald, from my POV, was in. Texas. The Visa procured by Gaudet and/or an asset Within the office itself. Why does Alvarado say Sept 18? Gaudet's supposedly stayed only one day in Mexico after picking up his visa on the 17th. I think Sandy is trying to discover who the small white man who they claimed was Oswald really was.... There's a part of me that feels every reference to Oswald was part of a story created and there May have never even been a person doing the things claimed... But it's just a theory at this point... Just like how I changed my mind about it being LEE on those buses impersonating Harvey.... My work gives Armstrong pause to rethink that conclusion... We evolve thru discovery and debate... Not by accusation and your insistence we provide you with info with which you're only going to argue anyway. There is suggestion of a car trip... But like all the other evidence, it was part of a plan... Much easier to say you did something and show evidence then to actually do it and spin it afterward... No one is there to get caught up in the lie when its all made up.... How come you spend so much time tearing others work down rather than initiating and advancing your own ideas? All you ever do is attack... And get indignant. Surely there is a better way to discuss your POV on a subject other than attacking it.....

But BRINGUIER was FBI.... also.

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?13277-Incredible-Wounds-of-Governor-Connally&p=84677#post84677 These are a few xrays... I have yet to see any images of the injuries themselves

What seems to be happening is someone who NEVER offers evidence within their posts is DEMANDING IT. Go to the man's profile page and take a quick look at this newest round of posts.... which started with this one: How is that even remotely close to following the rules about not attacking the poster but deal with the topic? It starts, simply enough, with something like this and then as he becomes more and more demanding of EVIDENCE - which he rarely if ever offers himself - it denigrates into the Lord of the Flies.... and how does he finish this pithy and insightful post? Now wallow in your own lake of super-puffed up self importance as a highly intelligent smart guy who has just outfoxed the most devilish intelligence service there has ever been. Childish little boys... One could ask this poster - WHY?.... you have yet to show any true interest in the information offered here, WHY are you all of a sudden so interested in SANDY's theory? You ask questions for which answers are at best elusive at worst - gone. And then get indignant when not answered or not to your satisfaction... What do YOU think happened and why... what supporting evidence do YOU offer in support of YOUR conclusion... or have you accepted someone else's work and conclusions... also good... but how about STARTING THERE ?? ---------------------------------------- Here... I'll get us started... Here are some applicable docs from the hundreds of reports and thousands of pages I've been thru.... If the evidence needed to him to have arrived by AUTO, the evidence would have been created to say so.... HARVEY CASH bought them enough time to decide how to proceed. FBI report which mentions MAYDON telling Mexican Newspapers "believes Oswald on Sept 26 last was traveling with two women and man in automobile." This is the stamp of Helio Maydon - the inspector who forgets to record all the important info at the time of the man's entrance... This is the FBI report which identifies MAYDON ....followed by the report identifying the items he forgot When you take the time to understand what I&NS consul HARVEY CASH did with this info, as I've posted, you start to see the plan give itself the time to evolve... despite having the info as offered... the records from those dates were "borrowed" from all 4 bus lines... side note: this CIA chrono doc about mexico includes this tidbit about ANAHUAC.... the bus line the FBI also says he takes to Mexico... followed by the report stating all 4 bus lines are negative for Oswald or alias.... yet LEE, HARVEY OSWALD signs the hotel registry and a number of other things...

Those who were a bit closer to the situation, as in down in New Orleans, feel it got its start with the OSWALD PROJECT in May 1963... Bringuier throwing a "fake punch"... George Steel Jr, another FBI asset helping him hand out the leaflets... time spent at 544 Camp... etc. The entire FPCC episode has to give him away as FPCC and 544 Camp are oxymoronic.... with so much intelligence around that one spot it's hard not to accept he was seen as an asset by early June.... As I see it... DJ

More than likely... I'll be the one getting banned... {queue smirk collage}

This is from before the demons won the war for his mind...

David Christ - audio and sound expert

It would have to follow then that Leonard McCoy was also KGB as it was he who reopened the conclusions about Nosenko and convinced CIA He was for real.... Without McCoy's paper none of this happens and we go on believing Golitsyn. His analysis and summary of his work are in the recent release... I just find it hard to talk Nosenko and not include McCoy....

Not at all... But it's not something new.... Phase 1 and 2... Conspiracy to LN was written by Scott years ago to explain what we saw happen.... And applies to the Mexico city charade. The wholesale change regarding Alvarado makes it quite plain.... .... There are claims the Mex records are crap.. Yet they found virtually every other person who took a bus at that time... And direct evidence they were on buses.... Just not for Ozzie.... They found plane and train records for others... In fact, the records were so good it is obvious how they were changed.... What supports the car full of imposters?

Which photo? The application I assume. Azcue said he wore a suit and specifically said it was not a sweater He also specifically said it was not the man Ruby killed.... So I'm sorry if I don't understand..... As for the car filled with imposters.... I look forward to your supporting evidence....

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32318868.pdf The first part is about HOFFA... the last 2 pages talk of David's leaving a note identifying the third shooter

"no pictures of Zapruder standing/filming on that famous pedestal exist." Here are the photographers and what they took... Zap would be in Bronson, Bond, Willis, Moorman, Betzner and NIX... and is. Yes they do Gene... This is from the WILLIS still... With frame grabs below...

uh, that's exactly what I wrote Sandy.... and has been the basis for my work all along... The DURAN/AZCUE descriptions are given many years later and after who knows what occurs between the principals.... I simply build upon Peter Dale Scott's Phase 1 - Castro Conspiracy > Phase 2 - Lone Nut.... and use Phillips' asset from Nicaragua, Alvarado, to illustrate the point perfectly... As I also posted, a CAR trip equates to co-conspirators... a bus trip, Lone Nut. With the central question unchanged... why in the world would HOOVER cover for the CIA other than to hide Oswald as his asset? I'd be interested what you develop regarding the actual person PROENZA/AZCUE/DURAN/LITAMIL-9/LITAMIL-7 and a variety of other assets say was not Oswald. DJ

or that's just a story worked up with the CIA to make sure none of that info gets out... The DFS may have even used the info as leverage to expand their drug involvement... "Leave us alone or we drop a dime about Oswald".... just a thought since you'd think if there was info that would hurt the US, now would be the time for them to cart it out... If we are to believe LITAMIL-9.... in addition to the other mountain of supporting data... Oswald was not there during that time period. When someone can explain why we should not believe Odio and her sister.... we can remove DALLAS from the list of places he was, instead of Mexico... but since we cannot dismiss the Odio's without serious contortion... AMBANG-1 and Manuel Ray relate to JURE.... Since she was having CUBANS to her house already, the opportunity was perfect for him to see what info he could pick up traveling with CUBANS.... when instead, the plan was worked on him. Mr. LIEBELER. My record indicates that on December 18, 1963, you were interviewed by two agents of the FBI, Mr. James P. Hoary and Bardwell D. Odum. Do you remember that?Mrs. ODIO. That's correct.Mr. LIEBELER It is my understanding that they interviewed you at your place of work, is that correct? Mrs. ODIO. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER Do you remember approximately what they asked you and what you told them?Mrs. ODIO. I think I remember. Not exactly, but I think I can recall the conversation.Mr. LIEBELER. Would you give us the content of that conversation, as best you can recallMrs. ODIO. They told me they were coming because of the assassination of President Kennedy, that they had news that I knew or I had known Lee Harvey Oswald. And I told them that I had not known him as Lee Harvey Oswald, but that he was introduced to me as Leon Oswald. And they showed me a picture of Oswald and a picture of Ruby. I did not know Ruby, but I did recall Oswald. They asked me about my activities in JURE. That is the Junta Revolutionary, and it is led by Manolo Ray. I told him that I did belong to this organization because my father and mother had belonged in Cuba, and I had seen him (Ray) in Puerto recently, and that I knew him personally, and that I did belong to JURE. They asked me about the members here in Dallas, and I told him a few names of the Cubans here. They asked me to tell the story about what happened in my house.Mr. LIEBELER. Who was it that you had seen in Puerto Rico?Mrs. ODIO. Mr. Ray, I had seen. He was a very close friend of my father and mother. He hid in my house several times in Cuba.So they asked me to tell him how I came to know Oswald, and I told them that it was something very brief and I could not recall the time, exact date. I still can't. We more or less have established that it was the end of September. And, of course, my sister had recognized him at the same time I did, but I did not say anything to her. She came very excited one day and said, "That is the man that was in my house." And I said, "Yes; I remember."Mr. LIEBELER. Tell us all the circumstances surrounding the event when Oswald came to your house.Mrs. ODIO. Well, I had been having little groups of Cubans coming to my house who have been asking me to help them in JURE. They were going to open a revolutionary paper here in Dallas. And I told them at the time I was very busy with my four children, and I would help, in other things like selling bonus to help buy arms for Cuba. And I said I would help as much as I could.Those are my activities before Oswald came.

Ron, There was indeed a shot up at the top of ELM... While "they" can say the Willis stops running due to being called... she heard a shot. From a meeting with some of the witnesses years later: Rosemary: As they made the turn from Houston to Elm Street, they'd just gone a few feet when the first shot rang out, and upon hearing the sound, my normal body reaction was to look up and follow the sound that I heard, it was so abrupt. Hickey - if you look closely, looks down at the street from about 138 until 154... The TOWNSEND film shows a quick jerk of JFK's head as well... also they cut out the wide turn since it makes the SS look very bad... More importantly - it removed shots.... 3 and only 3 were allowed... z313 was shot #2 as early as the TIME/LIFE re-enactment/survey (actually another 4 feet down ELM) in Nov 63... 313 was shot #2 in the Dec FBI/SS survey and again in Feb with the FBI survey....

Sorry to butt in.... The FBI seemed to have informants within the DFS as well as their own surveillance programs... I'd think there was quite a lot from Mexico from this time... One would think that the spies within the DFS would make sure to get any important info to Pres Mateos... and if the Mexicans were watching Kostikov, they could probably prove Oswald was not there.... LIEMBRACE A Mexico City-based surveillance project, under the umbrella LIPSTICK project. LIEMBRACE included a surveillance team, a radio repairman, and a photo truck team. LITENSOR Adolfo Lopez Mateos, President of Mexico in 1963. LIENVOY CIA telephone tapping program in Mexico City, targeting Cuban and Soviet embassies and run in conjunction with the Mexican DFS. Netted phone calls allegedy of Oswald. See also LIFEAT.

The information about a car comes from a very specific source... the FM-11 which was used as the basis for 2 cards typed up by TIJERINA. CASH lies to his superiors in this Jan 13 1964 memo... the note should say "CHAPMAN" not "CASHMAN" has the 11/24 info from what was on those cards.... below that is one piece of the FM-11 showing "AUTO" - but we must remember something about that form and where all the evidence comes from: Our GOBERNACION FBI asset "makes material changes" to the FM-11 for clarity.... so what starts to happen on 11/23 is the gathering of all bus line data from those dates, the creation of bus line evidence which includes Oswald, and the addition of a few choice words on the FM-11.... (the man who did this also had the Tourists visas, applications and the hotel registry book) Also notice the different names on the two cards... one, LEE, Harvey Oswald or HARVEY OSWALD LEE is the man leaving the 3rd (due to the Greyhound evidence which shows H.O. LEE) OSWALD, Lee Harvey or LEE HARVEY OSWALD arrived the 26th with literally zero info recorded... admonishments were given due to the lack of info on these forms - we should see the mode of transport, the date, the destination, etc.... the cards were created after the fact based on info from CASH who we see lies to his bosses at I&NS about the evidence and what it says. Oswald did not drive.... any accusation that puts him in a car, puts him with co-conspirators.... that was the CIA PHASE 1... Castro conspiracy (just ask Alvarado) Phase 2 is Lone Nut... so the car ride MUST become a solo bus ride.... What theory are you talking about Sandy? The "car-trip" was part of the charade.... part of the CIA's charade... One group of "car" evidence claims he arrived with a woman and a man... Bill and Elaine ALLEN... except their name was BRILL and the investigation proved negative... (Oswald 201 Vol 3 folder 8 p147) One last little point The man was known in Mexico as H.O.LEE... Last name LEE... as we see below in a typed sequential ALPHABETIC version of the FM-11... Why is Mr. LEE alphabetized between Mr. Moore and Mr. Ouellet... as if whoever alphabetized this, knew his name was Oswald... Mr. LEE's return home "evidence" - they finally settled on a Del Norte bus for his return.... (maybe go see what the Aussie girl says about the bus she took.... and why it was not possible, using the journey offered, for our Oswald to have been on that bus, even if he had taken the trip described...

We spoke of this in a diff thread PAZ... the film which shows the entire turn, SS agents leaving their car... etc... Same angle as Zapruder... but much more film. (as I have been saying and Chris has been proving)

Jason... Please see the 6-part series on Mexico (part 6 is still in the works and would be a chronology) https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-index When you've had a chance to get thru the first 2 or 3 of these, we can talk again... Since Oswald was not on any of these buses... you will see the creation/realization/alteration/destruction/replacement cycle of evidence repeatedly... Jason, evidence was altered and created for the sole purpose of putting Oswald in Mexico... Initially, the FBI puts Oswald on this bus home... the 2pm Oct 2 Transportes Fronteras bus... Except all of this document was changed to put OSWALT on line 4, and change the original Nov date to Oct 3... When it was discovered that this bus would not get him to Dallas in time, based on the connections, THEY DROPPED IT and picked a different way home... Before they dropped it - March 12, 1964 - That document was accepted as proof of Oswald's travel home.... Except CE2453 shows that none of the info on this doc related to Oswald, date or time is real... and was changed by ARTURO BOSCH within hours of the assassination... If you read the work you'll find ALL the bus lines' info was taken for Sept 26 thru Oct 3.... and finally, as I said, when they found this bus could not get him there, they needed other evidence.... the 434 miles from Laredo to Dallas is a 8-10 hour trip.... also included is the TEC appt evidence.... Yes Jason... the FBI with the help of a highly placed asset in the GOBERNACION (unnamed until my work) created the Mexico trip of Lee, Harvey Oswald.

Mr. Rago is a banned member from WAAAAAY back... If that is even him... .... yet he is correct... while everyone had cameras and polaroids taken immediately.... he wanders off and a legend is born. Add to this the "other" film from the similar angle which a handful have seen.... and yes... the man's film was treated with a special kind of reverence.... Mrs. Z claims "they" came by and took the original later that evening.... and for those who wonder why so much was left in the film which suggests conspiracy.... 1 shot can be explained away... the alteration was to remove obvious signs of multiple shots very close together... and in places there shouldn't have been shots seen given the 3 shot 3 hit scenario