David Josephs

Jim, I think what a few have been saying is that there was a camera in the hands of PM, and it coming up to the face suggests filming... Seems to me, with the empty soda bottle in that corner as well.... glass would pick up the light. Thoughts?

https://propagandhi.com/wp-content/empires/William_Blum.pdf U.S. Foreign Policy -- A Study in Hypocrisy By William Blum My experience in writing and speaking about what U.S. foreign policy has really done in and to the world is that it’s often like telling people that I was abducted by aliens, except that many of those people would sooner believe the abduction story. For those of you who are not heavily into alien abduction stories, let me try to set the proper atmosphere by mentioning two of the laws of politics which came out of the Watergate scandal of the 1970s. (It doesn’t matter if you don’t know much about Watergate; the laws are still understandable.) The First Watergate Law of American Politics states: “No matter how paranoid you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine.” The Second Watergate Law states: “Don’t believe anything until it’s been officially denied. Both laws are still on the books. Keep them handy in your head. ============= Watch the news next time with the 2nd law in mind... ... and just forget the 1st law. or substitute "people are" for "government is" and remember people run the government

Joe... I am not trying to impugn your relative's stories. The reality is that it was much easier to hide what we were doing after WWII with stories of ET. Many have written that it was done to hide Operation Paperclip and the wholesale movement of Nazis to the western hemisphere and to continue with the aeronautic research going on. It is also written that we acquired a great deal of atomic material useable in bombs from the BERN "tire" plant and other locations scoured by Patton and the other generals as they moved around Europe. So as you said... the advanced levels of technology that the military has always enjoyed decades before the public would look like magic to those unaware. We certainly must agree that there are weapons and aircraft in the hands of our military of which the public is still unaware. KEVLAR in 1952 would be an amazing wonder material just as we are experiencing the next step with GRAPHENE. Just consider the mathematics involved in sending a craft that distance.... or building a craft that can accomplish such a feat... I'm not 100% convinced it is not possible, just 99% convinced that Occam's razor explanation is more realistic. I LOVE the study of the topic, yet as I read more and more it is more obvious to me that UFOs are a product of planning to forever disguise military advancement in the cloak of unexplained phenomena.

We all continue to feed the monster, despite the obviousness of purpose and transparency of intent. I had blocked his content and then felt as if I was missing part of the conversation... until I unblocked and see the song remains the same; despite humble promises of reform. For me, I'll be blocking the content again so as to never have to deal with the repeated insults to intelligence, common sense and the work of the members here. amazingly accurate gif - no matter how many times, it's wash-rinse-repeat but "with all due respect" .... The choice is yours - forum members.... to me this rings of the "No collusion" and "Witch Hunt" excuses designed to get us to look over here while tearing things apart over there... where the conversation is turned on its head, the topics forgotten and the misdeeds accepted into the daily "Norm". At some point - shouldn't there BE a point?

Interesting thought Michael.... doubtful to get a true course answer though - if you are indeed correct.... or even if not. As to Aliens.... Can anyone name an organism that have ever arrived at the shores of a hospitable environment AND allowed the indigenous to remain and flourish? Is there anyone who can believe that a species advanced enough to travel the vast galactic distances would become so incredibly lame the instant they hit our Solar system? And then there's pure common sense... Send a probe first. That's what intelligent beings would do... Do you honestly believe that a species with the ability to first find us, yet not send a signal? Just show up and proceed to crash into everything? Anyway... while we'd like to believe, some simple common sense makes it extremely difficult.

What's the source on this Doug? You usually provide links...

Yes Ron... shot twice into the ceiling and sat down waiting for the police... I believe it was the files in his trunk that he wanted the "FEDS" to find... but Larry can speak to that with much greater depth. Nagell claims he was sent by the KGB to stop Oswald from killing JFK by himself killing Oswald. Or at least he thinks that... his double-agent status is hard to follow... purposefully no doubt.

PAZ, Larry Hancock did a huge paper on Nagell - I have the pdf so it must be available... it's 55 Mb THE MAN IN THE MIDDLE RICHARD CASE NAGELL'S VIEW OF AN EVOLVING CONSPIRACY http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/ref/collection/po-arm/id/4259 is the link to a 78 page notebook John A put together...

In virtually every case, the WC lawyers use the full "Lee Harvey Oswald" when referring to him.... Lee Oswald as well but usually by the commissioners as opposed to the lawyers.... These are the few times I could find "HARVEY" without "LEE".... FWIW.... Mr. DULLES - And you wouldn't have said "Harvey Oswald," would you? Mrs. PAINE - I knew he had a middle name but only because I filled out forms in Parkland Hospital. It was never used with him. Mr. JENNER - You do recall definitely that you asked for Lee Oswald? Mrs. PAINE - I cannot be that definite. But I believe I asked for him. Oh, yes; I recall definitely what I asked. I cannot be definite about the man's reply, whether he included the full name in his reply. Mr. JENNER - But you did? Mrs. PAINE - I asked for the full name, "Is Lee Oswald there." (This is Sept 21-23 1963 - Ruth and Marina et al left the 23rd...the 3rd day after the 2nd night - after her Quaker trip) Mr. JENNER - Now, you were there for 2 full days and 3 evenings. Would you tell us, conserving your description in your words, what did you do during these 2 days and 3 nights. When I say "you", I am including all three of you. Mrs. PAINE - Of course, afternoons we usually spent in rest for the children, having all small children, all of us having small children. Mr. JENNER - Whenever this doesn't include Lee Harvey Oswald would you be good enough to tell us? Mrs. PAINE - When he was not present? Mr. JENNER - That is right. Mrs. PAINE - My recollection is that he was present most of the weekend. He went out to buy groceries, came in with a cheery call to his two girls, saying, "Yabutchski," which means girls, the Russian word for girls, as he came in the door. It was more like Harvey than I had seen him before. He remembered this time. (huh? DJ) I saw him reading a pocketbook. Here too is a WCR Exh list of letters FROM Lee - from Dec 17, 1959 there are no letters until January 30, 1961 Between the letter of May 5 and May 25, 1961 Oswald goes from telling Robert of his marriage and baby to wishing to return to the US. Did something happen during that time, Steve, which supports the 2 man theory?? Btw... we don't seem to have the letters FROM ROBERT of which Lee/Harvey speaks or any of the letter from his mother for that matter... this also holds true about letters FROM Marge. (see below for a list of letter TO Oswald) If Marge and/or Robert Oswald was writing the real LEE - the 5'11" 165lb man... HARVEY would not have any of these letters... would he? Page Exibit No. Description Mo Day Year Pic Exh 67 10 and 10 A-B Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to John Pic August 23 8 23 1950 Socialist Party info request 25-26 1 Copy of a letter addressed "Dear Sirs" from Lee Harvey Oswald October 3 10 3 1956 Registration 633 234 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Albert Schweitzer College June 19 6 19 1959 CE200 580 200 Undated letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald September 18 9 18 1959 1st to Robert 814 294 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald November 8 11 8 1959 2nd to Robert - NEVER want to go back to USA 815-823 295 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald November 26 11 26 1959 3rd Letter from Lee to Robert from Russia 825 297 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald December 17 12 17 1959 To Sec of Navy 248-249 2 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to John B. Connally January 30 1 30 1961 ce251 - Inconvenient to come to Moscow 702-704 251 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow March 12 3 12 1961 ce298 - Long time since I wrote 826 298 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald May 5 5 5 1961 more about getting to USA 705-708 252 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow May 24 5 24 1961 Talks of wanting to come home 827-830 299 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald May 31 5 31 1961 Write often - trying to get OUT of USSR 833 301 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald July 14 7 14 1961 US embassy referes to July 15 61 letter ?? ?? Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow July 15 7 15 1961 532-533 181 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald August 3 8 3 1961 836 303 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald August 21 8 21 1961 838-841 305 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald September 10 9 10 1961 534-536 182 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald October 2 10 2 1961 537-540 183 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald October 22 10 22 1961 842-844 306 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald October 22 10 22 1961 852-854 309 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald November 1 11 1 1961 LHO to clarify info 709-712 253 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow November 1 11 1 1961 541-543 184 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald November 8 11 8 1961 845-848 307 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald November 20 11 20 1961 849-851 308 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald November 30 11 30 1961 CE254 713 254 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow December 1 12 1 1961 548-550 187 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald December 13 12 13 1961 857-859 311 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald December 14 12 14 1961 551-553 188 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald December 20 12 20 1961 714-716 255 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow December 27 12 28 1961 554-557 189 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald January 2 1 2 1962 862-864 313 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald January 5 1 5 1962 688-690 246 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow January 5 1 5 1962 717-718 256 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow January 16 1 16 1962 560-561 191 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald January 20 1 20 1962 558-559 190 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald January 23 1 23 1962 691-692 247 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow January 23 1 23 1962 865-869 314 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald January 30 1 30 1962 562-563 192 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald February 1 2 1 1962 564-566 193 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald February 9 2 9 1962 567-569 194 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald February 15 2 15 1962 870-873 315 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald February 15 2 15 1962 570-572 195 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald February 24 2 24 1962 697-699 249 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the American Embassy in Moscow March 23 3 23 1962 573-575 196 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald March 28 3 28 1962 CE317 877-879 317 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald April 12 4 12 1962 576-577 197 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald April 22 4 22 1962 578 198 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald May 30 5 30 1962 257-259 1 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Worker June 10 6 10 1962 CE300 831-832 300 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Robert Oswald June 26 6 26 1962 CE201 581-582 201 Undated letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Marguerite Oswald. June/July 7 1 1962 LETTERS FROM ?? TO LEE Exibit No. Description Page 65 Letter from "Brick" to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated August 22, 1962. 216 72 Letter from Patrice Lmnumba University to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated May 3, 1961. 234 229 Letter from Prof. Hans Casparis, Albert Schweitzer College, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated March 22, 1960, with envelope. 626-627 230 Copy of letter from E. Weibel, Albert Schweitzer College, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated March 28, 1959. 628 235 Letter from B. Weibel, Albert Schweitzer College, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated July 10, 1959. 634 241 Letter from Joseish B. Norbury, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated December 14, 1961. 681 919 Letter from the American Embassy In Moscow to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated November 8, 1959. 117 933 Letter from the American Embassy in Moscow to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated February 28, 1961. 135 6 Copy of a letter from Pioneer Publishers to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated September 29, 1962; a receipt dated August 31, 1962; an order blank from Lee Harvey Oswald to Pioneer Publishers for a copy of "The Teachings of Leon Trotsky"; an envelope post- marked January 21, 1963, from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Pioneer Publishers. 570-572 8 Copy of a letter from Mrs. V. Halstead, Pioneer Publishers, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated April 26, 1963. 574 9 Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Socialist Workers Party, dated August 12, 1962; newspaper ad coupon from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Socialist Workers Party; copy of letter from Sherry Finer, Socialist Workers Party, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated August 23, 1962. 575-576 11 Letter from Farrell Dobbs to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated November 5, 1962. 578 12 Letter from Bob Chester to Lee Harvey Oswald dated December 9, 1962. 579 13 Letter from Joseph Task, Socialist Workers Party, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated March 27, 1963. 580 2 Letter from Arnold S. Johnson to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated July 31,1963 260 4-A Letter from Arnold S. Johnson to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated September 19, 1963. 265 3 Letter from V. T. Lee, national director of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated May 29, 1963. 514-516 3-A Letter from V. T. Lee, national director of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated May 22, 1963. 517 2 Copy of a letter from James J. Tormey to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated December 13, 1962. 677 1 Letter from Louis Weinstock, general manager of the Worker, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated December19, 1961 721 1074 Copy of a letter dated March 24, 1961, from Richard E. Snyder, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk. 24 1075 Copy of a letter dated July 24, 1961, from John A. MeVickar, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk. 25 1076 Copy of a letter dated November 13, 1961, from Joseph B. Norbury, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk. 25 1078 Copy of a letter dated January 5, 1962, from Samuel G. Wise, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk. 26 1079 Copy of a letter dated January 15, 1962, from Samuel G. Wise, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk. 27 1084 Letter dated February 28, 1961, from Richard E. Snyder, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk, with envelope. 31-32 1085 Letter dated March 24, 1961, from Richard E. Snyder, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk, with envelope. 33-34 1090 Copy of a letter dated January 11, 1963, from R. C. Reeley, Office of Finance, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Dallas, Tex. 38 1000 Letter dated January 15, 1962, from Samuel G. Wise, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk, with envelope. 49-50 1103 Letter dated February 28, 1962, from J. W. Holland, District Director, San Antonio Office, Immigration and Naturalization 55-57 Service, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk, enclosing "Instructions to the Applicant," with envelope (FBI item 246). 55-57 1124 Letter dated January 5, 1962, from Samuel G. Wise, American Embassy, Moscow, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Minsk, enclosing document entitled "Evidence Which Can Be Presented To Meet the Public Charge Provision of the Law," with envelope. 90-92 2224 Letter to Commission dated May 13, 1964, from Peter Megargee Brown, enclosing photostatic copies of all materials relating to Lee Harvey Oswald in possession or control of the Community Service Society or its counsel (CD 930). 123-126 2648 Letters dated August 22 and July 6, 1963, from Eugene John Murret to Lee Harvey Oswald. 919 2663 Letter dated February 23, 1962, from John Connally to Lee Harvey Oswald, notifying him his letter of January 30 has been referred to Navy Department (CD 1114, 11-30). 19 2768 Letter from National Security Agency dated June 16, 1964, to Commission, concerning cryptologists' report on materials relating to Lee Harvey Oswald (CD 1120). 155

L/9 is LITAMIL-9 which can be looked up at MFF Cryptonym database... He was a cultural attaché at the Cuban Consulate...

I guess it's more of a scissor-lift.... I misunderstood

The "forklift" was not used in Dallas... It was used at Andrews... at night...

Pardon the interruption.... Has anyone SEEN these photos? Links to these photos? Thanks DJ

The series of articles I wrote have a main theme... The Evidence IS the Conspiracy.... Following this or any evidence leads only to the conspiracy; in relation to the small amount of true info which applies to the actual assassination. Since these items of evidence fail the authenticity test, they would never see a court of law. And that is my point... I challenge anyone to point to an item of evidence which can be proven AUTHENTIC in the legal sense. If not authentic, the evidence and its implications are moot. DVP talks about the evidence but never allow the discussion to get to the point where this evidence is rendered REAL. There is a huge hole in the rifle authentication... enough to generate reasonable noble doubt that any rifle let alone that one was ever involved in these transactions. If the evidence cannot be proven authentic, Oswald’s use of it also becomes moot. Just like Ozzie not being on the 6th floor at the time.... Immediate non starters... that there are many who saw a different yet eerily similar film to Zapruder’s... and the activities described match what we’d expect to see on the cutting room floor somewhere in Northern NYState. So please... before evidence is used to Prove or Support a factual conclusion.. it must be authenticated by its uniqueness, or by chain of custody.... With very few exceptions, the visual record of events has been severely altered. ie... look at Altgen’s 2nd to last photo of the car speeding away compared to the others.... and that is the one hoot of his without a negative.... the photos and films showing anything were extremely limited.. a small handful which where dealt with as needed. The Evidence IS the Conspiracy... and always will be.... we chase the shadows and ripples of fact hoping to see what really caused them... imo that is... DJ

Aint it buddy? I just came across this document from the recent release... https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32158959.pdf

Your assumptions are inaccurate as usual. It resembles a Straw Man argument/tactic... At least that's what I've heard... You start from your own misguided opinions about plans to which no one is privy..... And proceed to insert feet in mouth with childish glee... As to the words of wit and sarcasm sent in my direction.... You so funny... Post something serious occasionally ....so we know the difference...

Pretty sure you don't want me to SHOULD all over you and an ongoing behavior which betrays an ongoing agenda which remains impossible for you to control.... The only truly off the wall, unsupported drek ever peddled with seriousness remains your thinly disguised attempt at forum ridicule with that pet theory in search of support.... It takes special members to ridicule the work of others while contributing so little to furthering the cause.... Or, if having contributed in the past, how little respect is offered as opposed to how so very much is expected.

{ cool trick TG pulled on h&l there... Even when asked nicely, he can't resist}

Oh David..... You made a funny. In camera ... At NARA.... ? The 6 feet of film? Love ya man. DJ

To ponder: If the shooters were connected via COLLINS RADIOS... the "Fire" command would allow 2-3 shooters to fire within a split second of each other... .... also, the area where the Tramps walk past Lansdale.... same area as you have a shooter for the 2nd z313 shot... Except it appears too large and that he shouldn't be all black

Is still hidden.... Can you unhide my posts please?

This is AFTER 133 (486 - 133 = 353) Q: 39.22 frames at 18.3 fps, not 48... right? 39.22 / 18.3 = 2.143 seconds.... & also equals 39.22 * either (48/18.3) = 103 whole frames or (48/18) = 105 whole frames at 48fps Let's look at the likely candidates for removal... z154 - z158... while it appears that z157's top is spliced into z156's bottom... JFK's head turn in 1 frame seems impossible z207 (WEST location fro a shot) thru z212 - 1 of 2 shots removed z207 to z208 on CE884 is 2.24 feet which = 28mph.... it was not possible for the limo to travel that distance in 1 frame so 208 was changed to 210 in CE884 to bring the spped down under 10mph On CE585 we can see the faint writing stating that Shot #1 at frame 207/8 was a bit farther up Elm... So while JFK and JC appear to be hit nearly simultaneously... there was a fraction of a second separating the 2 shots... Many feel JFK was hit, possibly twice between 190 and 223... Z302 - 303 is another example of an extreme head turn and the fact that the image is relatively uniform in focus despite - supposedly - the limo or the camera was moving... And again at 314-316 and again at 350 - right where the shot by the stairs occurs Mr. LIEBELER - You also testified that you were standing perhaps no more than 15 feet away when the President was hit in the head and that you are absolutely certain that there were no shots fired after the President was hit in the head?Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir; that's correct. .....There was flesh particles that flew out of the side of his head in my direction from where I was standing, so much so that it indicated to me that the shot came out of the left side of his head.

18 X 2 = 36 X 1.2 = 43.2 X 1.1111 = 48 / 48 = 1 (1-.11111) = .888889 X 18 = 16 frames per second (1 of the 2 settings for speed on the B&H) the other was 48fps If the film was not altered or taken at 48fps it would have been taken at 16fps What happens to all the calcs when you revert back to the normal camera speed - and why was 18.3 so much more important to use than 16? First big reason was the incline of Elm with a rise/run of 1'/18.3' 16/18.3 = .8743 From the first splice, 133, to 313... 180 frames @18.3 frames drops to 157 frames at 16 fps. z313 - 157 frames = z156, the location of the 2nd splice and exactly half the frames. 180 frames minus 157 frames = 23 frames @ ~1 foot per frame is the length of the limo z156 - z133 = 23 frames = length of the limo =========== {thinking out loud} 486 frames @ 18.3 = 425 frames @ 16. 61 frame diff 353 frames (486-133) = 309 frames @ 16 42 frame diff... 42 frames would be the distance between 313 and the final shot per the SS...

Jim... there's a 2nd page to that report in John's file 3114 Harlendale?

first and last? 133 and 135? you talking about that jag to the left in the unstabilized version that sentence really doesn't help clarify it buddy... At about 1 foot per frame, 2 frames divided by .25 = 8 frames at 48 fps to 134 to 135 at 18.3 = to 133.1 - 133.2 - 133.3 - 134 - 134.1 - 134.2 - 134.3 - 135 at 48 Ffps remove half (4 frames) leaving 4 133.1, 133.2, 134.1, 134.2 remove half (2 frames) leaving 2 133.3, 134.3 2 frames left, 5 removed... from a 48 fps film... but I still don't understand what you mean by "the position of the limo will match the extant film" when and where?