David Josephs

Ben... Doesn't appear as if they are talking about what to say in regards to the PR that was out there related to Mexico... This was not necessarily what happened, just that that is the story from the US government and press, and this is what we will say about it... I have the LI--- summary reports for September and contemporaneously there was no report of an American contacting the Russian compound... Here is the report with an example of what "leads of operational interest" looks like in the "Exploitation" section of the report.

BTW - in the KGB file I have "Mexico" only appears on one page: [Handwritten number: 721 Top Secret. Copy no. 2 Appendix 2 Draft MEXICO TO THE SOVIET AMBASSADOR 665. I agree with you that you should visit the MFA of Mexico (the minister or his deputy) and say, referring to reports in the press, that Oswald requested the consular division of the Soviet embassy in Mexico for a visa to enter the USSR, that the procedure for obtaining entry visas was explained to him at the consular division, and that afterwards he no longer contacted the Soviet embassy. According to information available at the embassy, the request for the entry of Oswald and his family into the USSR that he made at the Soviet embassy in Washington was turned down. You can reply in the same vein to other relevant questions by members of the Mexican and foreign press. But they do go into the Nov letter (which if you search I show was actually postmarked Nov 2nd... prior to its supposed writing on the 8th.) k03413/GS DEPARTMENT OF STATE OFFICE OF LANGUAGE SERVICES (Translation Division) [handwritten: 1077/4367 [?] 46 CIPHER TELEGRAM [illegible] 9 40 Special no. 2005 LS no.069206 1-26 JS/BL Russian TOP SECRET [illegible] WASHINGTON 5441954417 54607 REPRODUCTION [handwritten: 27 xl PROHIBITED 136 37 Copy no. 63 HIGHEST PRIORITY Please note Oswald’s letter of November 9, the text of which was transmitted to Moscow, over the line [?] of nearby neighbors. This letter was clearly a provocation: it gives the impression we had close ties with Oswald and were using him for some purposes of our own. It was totally unlike any other letters the embassy had previously received from Oswald. Nor had he ever visited our embassy himself .The suspicion that the letter is a forgery is heightened by the fact that it was typed, whereas the other letters the embassy had received from Oswald before were handwritten. One gets the definite impression that the letter was concocted by those who, judging from everything, are involved in the President’s assassination. It is possible that Oswald himself wrote the letter as it was dictated to him, in return for some promises, and then, as we know, he was simply bumped off after his usefulness had ended. The competent U.S. authorities are undoubtedly aware of this letter, since the embassy’s correspondence is under constant surveillance. However, they are not making use of it for the time being. Nor are they asking the embassy for any information about Oswald himself; perhaps they are waiting for another moment. The question also arises as to whether there is any connection now between the wait-and- see attitude of the U.S. authorities and the ideas conveyed by Thompson (though he himself may not be aware of this connection) on the desirability of some restraint on the part of the Soviet press and gradually hushing up the entire matter of Kennedy’s assassination. Perhaps that is exactly what the federal authorities were inclined to do when they learned all the facts and realized the danger of serious international complications if the interested U.S. groups, including the local authorities in Dallas, continued to fan the hysteria over the “leftist” affiliations of Kennedy’s assassin and the exposCs we would have to issue in this case. The main question now is: should we give the U.S. authorities Oswald’s last letter if they ask for our consular correspondence with him (there is nothing else in it that could be used to compromise us). After weighing all the pros and cons, we are inclined to pass on this letter as well to the authorities if they request all the correspondence, because if we don’t pass it on, the organizers of this entire provocation could use this fa’ct to try casting suspicion on us. Please confirm [receipt]. Agreed upon with A.I. Mikoyan. November 26, 1963 A. Dobrynin

Appreciate the kind words Mart... I hope you continue to enjoy my work... Jim at K&K has been most kind in his support.

Purchased Sept 30... the travel FROM MC up supposedly begins early on the morning of the 2nd with a very strange taxi scene described by the manager on duty from the hotel...

Not aware of the background of Del Norte ticket 13688? What a surprise - right?

Mart... That suitcase was amazingly found in August 1964 and had a lot to do with Leibeler... The bus ticket supposedly found in said suitcase was found to have never been used - back in April 1964

John Kennedy Assassination - Lee Harvey Oswald KGB Files This collection is a set of KGB documents given to President Bill Clinton in 1999 by Russian President Boris Yeltsin. The files date from 1959 when Lee Harvey Oswald sought defection to the Soviet Union. Each original Russian language KGB document is accompanied by a translation later made by the United States Department of State. It's a 164 page document so only half that are unique... and I was always under the impression that the US had such little info on Soviet life that they would relish a written out detailed picture of production capacities and anything else Harvey would care to write about... In 1959 we were still getting their Russian info from Gehlen's National Socialist network... somewhat suspect info at best. I apologize if this is a repeat or already been discussed... DJ

Roe... How about posting what you think with your supporting evidence? Like the rest of us... thx

As to the reality of Harvey and Lee... AINT GONNA LEARN WHAT YOU DONT WANNA KNOW

It is with respect and interest that I post this link to a thread which ended 4+ years ago soon after the records release. I have not done the work necessary to form an educated opinion.. I only offer this as added background for those wishing to dig deeper, quicker. And a very interesting article to start the thread by Bill. On this thread page I sorted and posted the links in the 17/18 release related to NOSENKO.. If you want to get right to it rather than dig through 50,000 links... Maybe someone can help me understand how the work of Leonard McCoy and how he was so instrumental in forming the attitude toward Russian defectors, is not more center stage when discussing moles and defectors of the time...... His 50+ page analysis was not released until 2012... https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10095-10151.pdf Here is Bagley on McCoy https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362 Bagley: Ghost of the Spy Wars THE MCCOY INTERVENTION The SB R&R officer who started the process, Leonard McCoy, was later made deputy chief of CIA’s Counterintelligence Staff (under a new CI Staff chief, previously unconnected with anti-Soviet operations, who had replaced James Angleton). There, he continued fiercely to defend Nosenko’s bona fides5 and, in the guise of cleansing unnecessary old files, destroyed all the CI Staff’s existing file material that (independent of SB Division’s own findings) cast doubt on Nosenko’s good faith.6 TENNENT H. (PETE) BAGLEY INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF INTELLIGENCE Not until forty-five years later was McCoy’s appeal declassified and released by the National Archives (NARA) on 12 March 2012 under the JFK Act ‘‘with no objection from CIA.’’ McCoy opened, as we can now see, with his own finding and with a plea: ‘‘After examining the evidence of Nosenko’s bona fides in the notebook,’’ he wrote, ‘‘I am convinced that Nosenko is a bona fide defector. I believe that the case against him has arisen and persisted because the facts have been misconstrued, ignored, or interpreted without sufficient consideration of his psychological failings.’’ The evidence, he said, is that Nosenko is ‘‘not a plant and not fabricating anything at all, except what is required by his disturbed personality.’’ He recommended ‘‘that we appoint a new judge and jury for the Nosenko case consisting of persons not involved in the case so far’’ and proposed six candidates. According to McCoy, it was not only Nosenko’s psychology that should determine his bona fides, but also his reporting. ‘‘The ultimate conclusions must be based on his production,’’ McCoy asserted, specifically claiming to be the only person qualified to evaluate that production. Certain of Nosenko’s reports were important and fresh, he stated, and could not be considered KGB ‘‘throwaway’’ or deception, as the notebook described them Good thing John is so tenacious... FWIW I gave a presentation on Mexico to a small group in SF a number of years back where John and PDScott were there... I was highly encouraged when Scott backed my hypothesis about Oswald never going, and never being down there... The room was a who's who of 1st & 2nd Gen researchers/authors and I do feel as if my work has allowed others to become more comfortable with the idea the entire thing was a False Mystery designed to bolster the Phase 1 story. Also from that thread's page: Was always impressed how BA was able to get to the heart of most any matter... Sincerely.. DJ B. A. Copeland Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) I am of the same opinion of Blunt and Dale when they see to have at least questions concerning Bruce Solie....he's certainly someone to really focus on as far as a hunt for a potential mole. I'm not saying the guy is guilty but certainly some time should be dedicated to him. Bill do you have any opinion of him? Listening to Dale and Blunt's talks (phenomenal IMHO) are really enlightening on Solie and his actions in a few operations at the least. Edited May 4, 2018 by B. A. Copeland

Thanks for the deep insight Lance... One can only imagine how lost we would be without your input

I started out to simply disprove what LOPEZ wrote... that the WCR correctly established the journey... it did the opposite. If he was there by some other means, I still have mounds of conflicting evidence that puts this much closer to Sandy's Fake Conspiracy that an actual human being down there impersonating Oswald and leaving virtually no trace of himself... if going down there to establish Oswald was there was the point. The calls themselves are extremely suspect... The info on Tarasoff I discovered after I finished but turned out being very important in the scheme of things. (pun intended 🙂

For me it comes down to how the evidence is authenticated... FBI puts Oswald on a different bus than the Aussie girls and the MacFarland's and never makes the correction Ben... I put a lot of work into those 5-6 chapters on that trip... Repeatedly we are offered trips that are impossible, witnesses that are obviously lying and physical evidence that has been either created on stolen on a country wide basis. If you want to know why I think what I do about Mexico, you'd have to read the work. There are scores of names, more documents and I honestly think I did a decent job of illustrating what the FBI did with OCHOA and the CIA with Echeverria. Agree or not my friend... Oswald did not take a bus to Mexico, nor does the evidence establish he was actually in Mexico at any point in time. E.G... the Aussie girls get back onto their DEL NORTE bus on Monterrey... FBI is still focused on their conclusion that Oswald was on Flecha Rojas... CD1245 was especially helpful among many, many others. Not only are they not on the bus manifest, but the bus leaves at 15:30 which makes it impossible to have gotten from Nuevo Laredo to Monterrey on any bus in time to leave on the next one. The passport she talks about is the 1959 one not the one Harvey gets in June 1963 with no stamps whatsoever... like she's been fed the info... Mr. BALL. Well. you were shown pictures of a man later on by the Federal Bureau of Investigation agent, were you not?Miss MUMFORD. Yes.Mr. BALL. And they showed you pictures of Oswald, didn't they; Lee Harvey Oswald?Miss MUMFORD. No.Mr. BALL. You didn't ever see a picture of Oswald?Miss MUMFORD. No. Even Oswald himself would not consider himself a "Texan".. he was from New Orleans... Miss MUMFORD. There was a young English couple who were traveling down to the Yucatan to study the Indians and their way of life. There was an elderly English gentleman in his mid- or late-sixties, I should imagine. He told us during the journey that he had lived on and off in Mexico for 25 years.Then there was the young Texan, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Patricia and myself. This is the man BOWEN testifies is Spanish and older... that no one on the bus he was on spoke english... The Aussies and the MacFarlands, despite being on a manifest were lying about who they were with on their buses.... One needs to dig a little deeper than you seem to want to go with this... and then again, I can be 100% wrong as well... Just putting out there what I did and what I found it meant... many, many are now finally coming around to see I may have been right.

You too Gerry? Checking back here every few months to find the same subjects being horribly misunderstood with posters making statements without a hint of a source, a suggestion of support or any awareness of the years of work and the analysis already done to dismiss such an obvious attempt to further incriminate our little Oswald. Maybe you were being pithy and sarcastic? Please

Truth has no place on those platforms Karl How else can they possibly make any money? People clicking for the truth?

Thanks guys... you will also notice as you look threw images of Oswald pre and post 1959 that Harvey 's arms are bent in virtually every image you find whereas Lee's are not and then there is this... Anyone care to explain it as the only thing I can figure is that the person on the right is much farther away from the wall than the man on the left... which then would skew his actual height... or it was just created for some reason... No one 5'9" has a head 13" long. That image on the right remains one of the most suspect in his Marine file... on the left is from the Aug 1963 arrest if I remember correctly

Ben... help me understand then ... the FBI blows her off (since they say he was on a bus that day) the WC waits until July 1964 to even talk to her and take her testimony in which she correctly identifies Oswald in a variety of photos depicting a variety of locations... Could she be lying? as well as her sister? FBI wasn't interested in pushing the matter. If this is Oswald at Odio... or even if it's possible we must look very carefully at where the WC and FBI puts him and with what substantiation? The closer one looks the more obvious he didn't go it becomes... (and then there is everything Tarasoff says that was suppressed for years) Mr. LIEBELER. When did you first become aware of the fact that this man who had been at your apartment was the man who had been arrested in connection with the assassination?Mrs. ODIO. It was immediately.Mr. LIEBELER. As soon as you saw his picture?Mrs. ODIO. Immediately; I was so sure.Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any doubt about it?Mrs. ODIO. I don't have any doubts.Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any doubt about it then?Mrs. ODIO. I kept saying it can't be to myself; it just can't be. I mean it couldn't be, but when my sister walked into the hospital and she said, "Sylvia, have you seen the man?" And I said, "Yes." And she said, "That was the man that was at the door of my house." So I had no doubts then.

He is also listed as being assigned the job of an aircraft mechanic... not the Atsugi Radar operator he was known to be. Here is that 4 image transition above as an overlay, one blue one green, using the left eye as the anchor.. I truly do not see how the man can morph in a few years where facial features are no longer in the same places...

There are 5 chapters at K&K that go about the task of verifying Oswald never made that trip... My HYPOTHESIS, not yet proven, is that there is a real possibility the entire "visit" was a False Mystery made of paper statements... the no one specifically impersonated Oswald but like so much of the bus evidence, real people in real circumstances are substituted for Oswald... a man not Oswald but sitting next to Bowen is morphed into it being Oswald with the most dubious of supporting evidence.

From ma 5'11" 165lb man to a 5'8" 135lb man in 3 years... and the shoulders are so different they cannot be the same person Thanks Gil...

I started to do this and realized most of these things are in the WCR or Exhibits... just look thru the Exhibits TOC.. there must be hundreds of items with unique numbers specific to Oswald and the assassination... also look in the Warren Commission Documents. only 1550 or so of them Here are a few Using the incorrect SS#. 3937 not 3739. (CE2189)

How far off the main topic are we going to get here? Oswald Never went to Mexico... Marina and the rifle - both complete lies from top to bottom - has nothing to do with it... "Almost certainly". don't know about you Tom but this isn't horseshoes or hand grenades... "almost" doesn't really cut it when we have mountains of "evidence" from which to source such a statement... Please provide a link or source for that statement... or at least present it as an opinion or hypothesis without any support but a hunch... Most of us having done this for quite a while are fully aware how poor Marina is as a source for most anything... how she was immediately surrounded and coached, interpreted by the white Russian community of Dallas and goes from that homely little girl to cover girl... Marina was a Russian prostitute... fwiw please check out more of the evidence related to her... case in point... she could not even deal with the BYPs with even a touch of honesty... She claims in her testimony it was the first time she ever worked a camera... yet couldn't remember how amazingly difficult it is to work a box camera while getting 3 crystal clear images... from 2 shots and 1 negative...

Very well done Sandy... Let me add some icing... AZCUE was also and intelligence agent whose job it was to identify potential double agent candidates and turn them against the US. We know this from a AMMUG/1. AZCUE would have welcomed Oswald as the disgruntled American and worked to turn him against the US and send him back with instructions... since he would have been so eager to harm the US and help the communists... But none of that happened. AZCUE supposedly gets into some argument with the man and throws him out of the embassy/consulate... AZCUE made no effort at all in that direction. AS Salandria put it... a False Mystery...

There is no one there buddy.... Hickey is not standing up... Maybe take a few days and read thru this forum... give you a much better idea of what occurred than wild speculation... Thanks

Hi Marjan, As Joe mentions, I too enjoy alternate views of the events as long as Evidence and the Authentication process for that evidence is also discussed... Sadly you offer nothing to support this opinion, this hypothesis on how the events unfolded... Take a moment and read this... take you 15 minutes... and then we can discuss your hypothesis of events.... https://www.kennedysandking.com/content/oswald-on-november-22-1963 How and when does Oswald get the disassembled rifle, lack of a clip and himself to that window at the right time? How is it possible to ignore every bit of contrary evidence that leads up to your presentation?