Nick Bartetzko

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Those two wounds are certainly a great mystery among the many in the JFKA. Documents allege the back wound left metallic residue on the jacket (and maybe the shirt) but no metallic residue was found on the front of the shirt or the tie. Weisberg conjectured that damage was caused by a nurse cutting the shirt and tie to get the clothing off. Years ago on this forum Gerry Hemming said the back wound was a “meat shot” and was designed to be a low powered …short charge… round so the bullet would be found and tied to a rifle. With Hemming, it was hard sometimes to separate fact from fiction. If that is true, then it might have been CE 399, or the pointed bullet that Poole and Tomlinson described or the bullet found in car in the early hours of the morning as requested by the other White House physician (not Dr Burkley). So I think the back bullet was metal, but not the neck projectile was not. If someone here had the time and ability, they could analyze the entrance point of the neck wound and where that air bubble is located, determine if one was above or below the other, and possibly reverse engineer where that shot came from. As to it originating from the umbrella man, I have no idea but I would think it certainly originated from the right side where he was located.

Thanks for posting. It’s been a long time since I had read it. I don’t dispute at all how serious the injuries were, rather just what Lifton had mentioned about Perry’s alleged comments and Dr Rose as well.

As to the injury to Oswald, a couple of things come to mind… wasn’t Perry surprised by his death and thought they had repaired all the damage and that he was stable post op? Also, there is Lifton’s claim about the intentional injection of air into the IV and the reference to coroner Earl Rose and that discussion. Is there some definitive information that Lifton’s hard drive is definitely recoverable and his work will be produced at some point? I stopped buying JFKA books years ago, but I’d buy this one.

If it takes some money to hire a top notch expert to recover the data, pls count me in to contribute. The material is far too valuable to lose due to inaction or lack of funds…

I met David once when he was giving a presentation at a college in so. California in 1988 iirc. I was very much looking forward to Final Charade and hope the contents are released in some form in the near future.

Thank you for posting that excellent article. I had no idea that Faye Weaver’s name had been revealed. Over 20 years ago, I contacted Dale Fore to get a copy of a photograph of Capehart that he had in the office, but couldn’t locate. I never heard back from him. He told me I was the second individual to call him about the photograph. I have never seen the photos that were published in that local paper that caused Capehart to panic. If anyone has copies or a link, I’d really appreciate that information. I’ve always been fascinated by the Capehart story. It’s as interesting to me as the story of Richard Case Nagell.

Ben, I’ve likely read your post. There’s so much to assimilate and sadly, I don’t have total recall. I’m up in the air on the JBC sequence. He seems to have been struck close to JFKs back wound. It appears he’s still gripping his hat and the wrist wound probably occurred later, maybe at Z295 as you say. There was a video of a presentation made some years ago…2013?… that shows an isolated side by side frame comparison of JFK and JBC reacting at Z328 I believe. The video was persuasive, but I’ve only seen it once.

No, not missing anything. I noted the significance of it. I simply meant it was interesting to see an article on the same page on the Bobby Baker scandal which likely would have kept LBJ off the ticket in ‘64.

Well, speaking of strange, the 2nd floor etc. We have the tale of Helen Forrest who claims to have seen a man with a rifle on the 2nd floor. That information is per historian Michael Kurtz. There are no details really on who Helen Forrest is and I think little of Mr Kurtz work based on other alleged interviews he claims to have conducted. More interesting, though, is the tale of one Claude Capehart of Glomar Explorer fame. It seems his girlfriend recognized his photo during the HSCA time and he supposedly admitted he was in the TSBD at the time. Judge David Minier and Deputy Dale Fore were on the way to visit with him when he had a fatal heart attack in about 1989. This subject has been covered here a bit and there are newspaper articles from papers in the Fresno California area If I recall correctly. Too bad there isn’t much information on the building tenants. But it’s understandable as the emphasis was pinning this on Ozzie.

How interesting to see the article about Robert G. Baker….

It’s quite the magic bullet that pushes Kennedy forward and Connolly downward. Is there not a Getty photo of the shirt showing the frontal shirt damage higher than the rear damage? Those in attendance at Parkland described the throat wound as one of entry and Perry told Weisberg he wiped the blood away and it had a “ring of bruising”. As Posner would say…”Case Closed”. We also have a reference by Nellie Connelly that she felt her husband was struck twice. That information was via a link on a post here recently .

Thanks, that’s what I thought. It remains an intriguing possibility…

For clarification, there is a cable attached to the top of the elevator and another to the bottom? As to the cables, they were moving which might mean from side to side rather than down with the elevator?

Could you elaborate please. A utility belt would attach to what?

I might agree with you on that, but I mentioned it because Hemmings mentioned it and we still don’t have a reasonable answer on how the two 6th floor occupants escaped. It seems to me these possibilities are worth discussing, especially because I suspect GPH may have been involved or had knowledge of the assassination.

The reference to page 47 is interesting as it casts doubt on Gerry Hemming’s mention of using a rope under the elevator to descend. I would think a dangling rope might warrant a comment by either Truly or Baker. The other point is there were two men on the 6th floor. One was seen at the back of the building. So it appears they did not stay together and went their separate ways. It would be an interesting and intensive project to evaluate all of Hemming’s statements over the years and try and separate fact from fiction.

Ben, Gerry Hemming liked to tell stories and at least this one appears plausible. It is a better possibility …imo…. than loosening floorboards and crawling onto the top of an elevator. Hemming also mentioned the importance of controlling the high ground, so this fits with that criteria. As to the ropes, it’s a good question and I have no idea. No one would ever be looking for it and even if it were found, what conclusion would someone likely draw. I don’t know as to ladders, foot holds or hand holds that could have been used to get to the basement. IIRC, there are a couple of witnesses that witnessed an individual exiting the rear dock area. I recall the interesting phone call of a Dallas resident Velma to a radio talk show describing that.

Some years ago I believe Gerry Hemming mentioned the TSBD was entered around 3:00 am and the individuals..two likely….remained on the 7th floor and then descended to the 6th floor. After the shooting, they went back up to the 7th and did indeed use ropes and go down the elevator shaft. This ties in with no one hearing an individual descend the stairs and a brief electrical outage in the building. This is from memory. I just don’t have the time or the inclination to verify where/when it was originally posted.

That’s Robert Steuart? The guy who wanted to talk in the early 90s, but wouldn’t and uttered..they’d know… ?? I’ve often wondered if someone had maintained contact with him if he would have eventually come around. Was not one of the pics taken at Parkland? The comparison photo.

Thanks, James. Just wanted to make sure. Donation sent for $50. i’ve been a member here since 2005 and I’d like to keep the best JFK site going for as long as possible. Nick

Count me in for $50 a year. Pls give me a link where you want my $50 to go. Nick

I’ve been a member here for many years…just don’t post anymore. Count me in for a monthly donation, but I’d prefer to donate a lump sum each year. I made a donation to James a year or two ago, but I never received a confirmation and have no idea where the money ended up.. Nick