Nick Bartetzko

Cory, I thought I was the Lone Ranger out here…. Nice to know a couple of guys are close by

I have never considered the possibility that the pointy nosed bullet was anything but JFKA related. No other gunshot cases at the time and the stretcher probably was that of the youngster, Ronny Fuller. Speaking of bullets, whatever happened to the Connolly bullet that was given by the nurse to the Texas Ranger? And whatever happened to the bullet found in the car that the White House physician Dr Young spoke of?

Huh…some guys are in the Vegas area? I thought everyone was back east. I’m an hour outside of Vegas. None of the Vegas folks I know like having the F1 race there

I’ve always thought it was Shelley. No question in my mind.

We have 2 Secret Service agents (Landis and Kinney) who say they found a bullet in the car and then placed it in Parkland. After giving this a lot of thought, I think that’s actually what happened. I think Kinney just wanted it known that a bullet was indeed found and did not want to publicly point the finger at his fellow agent Landis. That’s the reason he told his neighbor. I also think it was not a round tip 6.5 mm type, rather a pointed tip as described by Tomlinson and Poole. As I recall, but could not quickly find a reference to, I believe a SS Agent ..or maybe FBI… named Johnson would/could not confirm that CE 399 was the bullet he saw. That Zapruder video clip is quite interesting as well. I don’t think the dented cartridge belongs with the short charged bullet. The firing striations aren’t the same as the other 2 cartridges. Maybe Hemming was actually telling the truth when he said it was a deliberately underpowered round and its purpose was to be a “meat shot”. It very likely wasn’t CE399 and then we have the Mauser vs Carcano “confusion” that should have been cleared up within hours, not much later.

I’ve been intrigued with this guy ever since he was pointed out on this forum. Not quite as suspicious, but similar to my thoughts on the umbrella man and DCM. Your comments about him and the floor laying crew are very thought provoking.

Very thought provoking. Thanks. Are you aware if any paperwork/invoices exist for this plywood laying job or was there ever a mention of any contractor name?

One of the many interesting characters in the JFKA was Richard Case Nagell. I had no idea he lived in Los Angeles in the 90s, the same time that I did and I knew the area where it was reported that he had lived. It would have been interesting to knock on his door and see if he would have spoken with me. It's my guess that his tapes and other items were likely compromised while he was still alive. The other very interesting character was Claude Capehart, who according to his girlfriend, admitted to being in the school book depository. Now Capehart is linked to the Glomar Explorer and the CIA. I had read an article in Jim D's Probe journal and it discussed a local judge and sheriff up in the Fresno area in California. Apparently there was a copy of Capehart drivers license, but the sheriff wasn't able to find it. When I called up there a couple of decades ago and spoke with the sheriff, he told me I was the second guy who inquired about it and if he ever found it, he would give me a call. Well, I never did receive that phone call. It would've been interesting to see what photographs were published by the HSCA in 1976 or 77 in the Fresno Newspaper that caused Capehart to panic and tell the story to his girlfriend. I think Capehart's information would've been even more interesting than Nagell's....

Dr Duke was quite interesting indeed.... Heard about him years ago and it's interesting to me how the doctors careers morphed like Dr Perry ending up in Washington state, Dr Salyer becoming a craniofacial plastic surgeon etc

I have always thought the storm drain by the stairs was the probable source of the temple shot for the reasons just listed. Couple that with the brain/bone tissue disbursement .... bone fragment in the Queen Mary per Sam Kinney.... and the physical movement of the body and description of the sound by a couple of witnesses and it just seems that location makes the most sense. This storm drain theory was investigated by a guy named Jack Brazil years ago. Iirc, he crawled through the drain which emptied into the Trinity River. There were pics showing all this. I gave the Brazil written materials to a guy here named Dean Hagerman who lived on the west coast. Found out later that wasn't his actual name. In my opinion, shots from the GK were diversionary only and likely what the Hartmans saw and described.

Mr Cohen....see link....

I never got around to reading Kantor's book. Still have if after all these years....

Yes, checked and good here

Jim, This came up years ago. I believe Dr Burkley's daughter was married to Farmers Insurance Group CEO Leo Dunlea in Los Angeles. I worked for Farmers in Los Angeles for 25 years and was right across the street from the Home Office. I met him a couple of times over the years. He was a quiet, distinguished man and it's my opinion that he convinced his wife to change her mind as he did not want his name in public and associated in any way to the JFKA. Again, I have nothing to base this on other than his quiet leadership style and my impressions after very brief interactions with him. Nick

Thank you

JB I started listening to it during my response to you. I have never seen that tape mentioned before. As a kid in the 60s, I had access to tape recorders on occasion and the quality, tone, static, background comments and brief interruptions on this tape are intriguing and point much more imo to authenticity than contrived fraud. There are a number of names mentioned and I imagine some of them can be xreferenced as to some historical accuracy.

Jim, I did a search and came up empty. Would you be able to provide a link?

Joe, Just a bit of tongue in cheek in a forum wherein things sometimes get a bit heated. Been studying the JFKA since 1968 and am very familiar with David Ferrie. My impression of Ferrie has been that he was very intelligent.

Can't be Ferrie as he doesn't sound like Joe Pesci .... Another interesting find, Vince

I was going to mention this video in a response to Jim's recent thread, but didn't get around to it. I saw it a few days ago. There is mention of a .45 hitting the fender on a policeman's motorcycle and there's also an interesting reference to the Harlandale house. The motorcycle officer was the uncle of a Mike Nally who was in Dealey Plaza with his friend Charles Rogers. Refer to the video starting at 13:00. Per Meeks, the informant for the pre assassination activity was Buddy Walthers mother in law, Lillian Robinson, who lived at 3130 Harlandale.

I did a quick search on the motorcycle fender strike allegation and came up empty. I read about it only once and the likely source would be either Walt Brown's journal or The Third/Fourth Decade publication from Jerry Rose many years ago. As to the location of the bullet strike near the limousine, the questioning of Virgie Rachley/Baker was very poor in trying to determine the exact area. Here is Royce Skelton's same day account. I wasn't aware he said 2 shots hit the street. https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339349/

Jim, Most of the Rambler witnesses I'm familiar with, but I was unaware that Helen Forrest claimed to have seen this as well. Kurtz also says that Forrest told him she saw a gunman on the TSBD second floor. I'm not impressed by Mr Kurtz research and lack of detailed information. I have also found the Hartmanns account interesting. If there were two GK shots, this would conflict with the acoustics evidence. It's been a theory of mine that the one ...or two...shots from the GK could have been part of the false flag operation, if it indeed existed. Same for the 6th floor location. As to missed shots pertaining to or near the street, there is the Teague fragment, the Foster report on the manhole cover, the shot behind the limousine that 5 or 6 witnesses saw and a report by a motorcycle patrolman that either a bullet fragment or street richocet struck his fender. I'm admittedly very vague on the last one, but I'm sure I read about it many years ago. If there was a south knoll shot, and it went thru the windshield and missed, could this have been the same shot that the 5-6 witnesses saw and the patrolman as well? I believe it's possible.

Yes, I think it’s quite possible. Whether that occurred in this instance isn’t clear, but it’s sad to read what went on that night. Here’s a report of contact with a Janie B. Taylor in 1995. https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md45.pdf

Weisberg also concluded the shirt damage was caused by a scalpel and that the neck wound was one of entry with a corresponding ring of bruising as told to Weisberg by Dr Perry. These issues are discussed in Weisberg’s book Post Mortem.

Well, I respect your opinion on this. We just disagree… But I don’t know what other information you would want. There is consensus as to a very neat rather than ragged wound, it was described by virtually everyone as being 3-5mm, it had the ring of bruising characteristic as described by the doctor who observed it very closely and did the tracheostomy and finally, to my best recollection, the Getty photo of the shirt clearly shows the damage to the back of the shirt being lower than to the front of the shirt. This is about as close to 100% as I can get.