Nick Bartetzko

As to a second rifle, recall ATF agent Frank Ellsworth’s comments about a rifle being found on the 4th or 5th floor. In addition, I’ve seen a brief video clip of someone holding a rifle near some boxes and that might be the second rifle. This was not near a window, rather a view toward the inside of the building. It’s been years and I have no idea who shot that video.

Jim, Its been years since I've looked at the Foster case and my recollection of the case is not the best. Im not wanting to derail things too far, but can you answer a couple of questions for me. 1) Did anyone do any investigation about identifying the rust colored 80s Honda with Arkansas plates that was seen in the parking lot by witness Patrick Knowlton? It must have been extremely burdensome to try and run all those plates in such a large state as Arkansas 2) What is your opinion of former US Attorney Miguel Rodriquez credibility? It appears he was quite upset about the investigations and later went to California to where, last I recall, he was in the US Attorneys office in Sacramento. Since these were official investigations into the Foster case, I have to conclude they were as accurate as the official investigations conducted by the in the JFK case Nick

Hi Larry, Unfortunately, I don't have my copy any more, I gave away most of my books on the assassination a few years ago to budding researchers. I do recall that O'Toole did have some odd encounters with the people he tracked down (R.D. Lewis sticks out in my memory), but I can't recall much about Hill. The book is certainly an interesting read whether you believe the voice analysis stuff The index shows Hills name repeatedly. It's a bit late for me to read all the pages. If you want me to do so, just let me know Nick

I have only a vague recollection of this and could not find anything on the forum via a search. Quite some time ago, I believe Jack White mentioned that Carolyn Arnold was still working in the Dallas area and had a different last name. When she retired, she said she would reveal more details about her seeing LHO in the lunch room between 1215 - 1225pm. IIRC, Arnold has been interviewed a number of times on this subject. Does anybody recall Jack White's comments and does anyone know the whereabouts of Caroyn Arnold...or is my memory off on this? Nick

The beauty of the JFK investigation is that some folks never let facts get in the way of their opinions. The coverage on this has been abysmal. Oswald went to the Soviet Union...he was a communist....he left his wedding ring....so therefore he did it. What a sad commentary on "historical truth"

Robert, Pat Speer is well aware of Nurse Bell's remarks before the ARRB but dismisses them as vagaries of a faded memory. It's too bad Pat is unable to apply that same reasoning to his own analysis of Carrico and others. Pat knows, the tremendous pressure Perry and other Dallas personnel were under to conform their memories to the official version. The worst offender may be Dr. Jenkins,who saw oozing cerebellum on Nov 22 and wrote about it on that day, but saw only cerebellar tissue after visiting the National Archives in 1988. Baxter at first said occipital bones were missing. That changed quickly. And of course Perry may be the most hardened of them all. See his letters to Brad Parker in First on the Scene. The earliest recollections from Dallas are the best, and after pressure to change rendered, IMO, the later comments worthless. Only those doctors and nurses whose testimony has remained unchanged should be given serious study. At least that's my opinion. Daniel, could you elaborate a bit on what Perry said in those letters? In Weisberg, he mentioned the "ring of bruising" and that he wiped blood from the neck wound. It appears he got a clear look at the wound. Thanks, Nick

Very nice work, David. I've never seen that video before. Would be interesting to see those same Z frames analyzed in the 35 mm format Nick

Michael Unfortunately, no. I have this issue and checked it last night. BTW, my Mom's Mom was a Hogan. Joe Joe, there's a slim possibly I may have that issue. If you get stuck, let me know. It would be somewhat time consuming to try and locate Nick

Frankie, I was going through the dates again and it was more likely about 1993 or 1994 when I last met Mr Denlea. As to getting a definitive answer from the firm, do you think it would be very helpful if Doug Horne would also get involved as a former member of the AARB? I don't know if he would be willing, though. Thanks for your work on this. I never thought you would be able to get any information. Nick

Pat, I wasn't aware that office had been shut down. You do indeed live in Siberia as Simi Valley is wayyy out there Mr Denlea was based at the Home Office at 4680 Wilshire Blvd. He would certainly have visited the Simi Valley office and had lunch there on many occasions. The last time I saw him we sat 5 feet apart in the commercial division office in LA where I worked. That was probably in the late 90's. At that time, I had no idea he was married to the Admiral's daughter. I just learned of that within the last few years at this forum. Had I known, I would have asked him privately about it. Who knows what that would have led to. I am wondering if the Illig files were really destroyed about 20 years ago, or were they destroyed later than that by the family's request after the AARB contact. I find it hard to believe those records would be destroyed without the family's knowledge or consent. Frankie, I think the information from Admiral Burkley would have been extremely valuable to serious JFK researchers.

Leo Denlea Jr was the CEO at Farmers Insurance in Los Angeles where I also worked. I met him a few times and certainly had the impression he was a very private man. He also had a reputation of being quiet spoken and reasonable. I believe he simply asked his wife to change her mind as he did not want his family name associated with the assassination. Too bad there was no followup as there may have been the possibility of another change of mind. Sad that personal considerations win out over such important historical information.

This is an excellent thread. One additional piece solidifies the neck wound as one of entrance. Dr Perry confirmed to Weisberg in 1966 that the wound had a "ring of bruising". It's in Weisberg's book, Post Mortem

Hi Nick.. I believe you meant to say THE MC, not "A" MC.... and when you add the number of 5th floor references from Sawyer... and what he and 2 others did between 12:34 and 12:37... the 5th floor gets more interesting.. Former AFT agent Frank Ellsworth, who participated in a *second* search of the book depository conducted after 1:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963, according to a Secret Service document, confirms that the Mannlicher-Carcano was found by a DPD detective on the fourth or fifth floor of the building, "not on the same floor as the cartridges." He adds: "I remember we talked about it, and figured that he must have run out from the stairwell and dropped it as he was running downstairs." Yes, David. Thanks for the emphasis on that. I had not thought about the 2 rifle issue for some time. If true, how ironic that THE Manlicher was found AND Roger Craig's Mauser, with the word Mauser stamped on it, was also found. No need to switch rifles..one just disappears after a few days Nick

Interesting about the 4th floor. I believe ATF agent Frank Ellsworth was involved in a search about 130 pm and said a Manlicher Carcano was found either on the 4th or 5th floor, not the same floor as the shells.

I am unable to source this information. IIRC, Gerry Hemming mentioned in a thread or in Noel Twyman's book, that the "team" had a key to the TSBD and entered around 300 am and stayed on the 7th floor. After the assassination, they repelled down the elevator shaft via ropes and escaped through the rear entrance. This would make some sense as to the elevator being inoperable for a while.

This is not a complete document, but I did go to the trouble of including some rather pertinent data. Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 40/ NARA Record Number: 104-10110-10377 BIOGRAPHICAL DATA: CAPEHART, CLAUDE BARNES http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=14169 Birth: 15 Ocotber 1924, Omeka, Oklahoma Marital Status: Robert Mary Nee: BALTEY b. 2 Dec 1922, Winsboro, La.; Address: Same as Subject. Parents: Capehart, Henry Hayes b. 15 Oct 1876, Stamps, Arkansas; Deceased. Capehart, Laura Jefferson; Nee: GARBROUGH; b. 1 April, 1873, Memphis Tennessee; Deceased Children: Capehart, Neal Henry; b. 11 Aug. 1953 Bakersfield, California; Add: Box 7011 Reno, Nev. Military: September 43-July 46, U.S. Army Sergeant # 39145469 Claude Barnes Capehart aka Claude Buster Capehart Social Security 566-22-5896 Date Added: June 1973 I believe there is a photo of someone in front of the TSBD who looks like Claude Capehart. I have been unable to find it, but if I recall, it bears a resemblance to these embassy photos. Anyone have a copy of that photo and can post it? This Capehart thread is interesting and Jim D did a story on Claude Capehart in his publication Probe V4 #1 entitled "The Capehart Caper" I couldn't upload the Jim Murray photo but here's link to it on Robin Unger's great website: http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=41&pos=18 --Thomas That's it. Thanks. Capehart has always been of interest to me as well as Nagell. The sheriff's office in California had a photo of Capehart which they misplaced and they were unable to locate it. I was promised a call if they located it, but never heard back.

This is not a complete document, but I did go to the trouble of including some rather pertinent data. Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 40/ NARA Record Number: 104-10110-10377 BIOGRAPHICAL DATA: CAPEHART, CLAUDE BARNES http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=14169 Birth: 15 Ocotber 1924, Omeka, Oklahoma Marital Status: Robert Mary Nee: BALTEY b. 2 Dec 1922, Winsboro, La.; Address: Same as Subject. Parents: Capehart, Henry Hayes b. 15 Oct 1876, Stamps, Arkansas; Deceased. Capehart, Laura Jefferson; Nee: GARBROUGH; b. 1 April, 1873, Memphis Tennessee; Deceased Children: Capehart, Neal Henry; b. 11 Aug. 1953 Bakersfield, California; Add: Box 7011 Reno, Nev. Military: September 43-July 46, U.S. Army Sergeant # 39145469 Claude Barnes Capehart aka Claude Buster Capehart Social Security 566-22-5896 Date Added: June 1973 I believe there is a photo of someone in front of the TSBD who looks like Claude Capehart. I have been unable to find it, but if I recall, it bears a resemblance to these embassy photos. Anyone have a copy of that photo and can post it? This Capehart thread is interesting and Jim D did a story on Claude Capehart in his publication Probe V4 #1 entitled "The Capehart Caper" I couldn't upload the Jim Murray photo but here's link to it on Robin Unger's great website: http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=41&pos=18 --Thomas

This is not a complete document, but I did go to the trouble of including some rather pertinent data. Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection/HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 40/ NARA Record Number: 104-10110-10377 BIOGRAPHICAL DATA: CAPEHART, CLAUDE BARNES http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=14169 Birth: 15 Ocotber 1924, Omeka, Oklahoma Marital Status: Robert Mary Nee: BALTEY b. 2 Dec 1922, Winsboro, La.; Address: Same as Subject. Parents: Capehart, Henry Hayes b. 15 Oct 1876, Stamps, Arkansas; Deceased. Capehart, Laura Jefferson; Nee: GARBROUGH; b. 1 April, 1873, Memphis Tennessee; Deceased Children: Capehart, Neal Henry; b. 11 Aug. 1953 Bakersfield, California; Add: Box 7011 Reno, Nev. Military: September 43-July 46, U.S. Army Sergeant # 39145469 Claude Barnes Capehart aka Claude Buster Capehart Social Security 566-22-5896 Date Added: June 1973 I believe there is a photo of someone in front of the TSBD who looks like Claude Capehart. I have been unable to find it, but if I recall, it bears a resemblance to these embassy photos. Anyone have a copy of that photo and can post it? This Capehart thread is interesting and Jim D did a story on Claude Capehart in his publication Probe V4 #1 entitled "The Capehart Caper"

A few years ago, I sent Rich DellaRosa an unopened Kodachrome that had been stored in my garage for years. It was from a dear friend who was a photography buff. I am hoping you were able to use that film and, if not, might have access to it through Rich's wife or children should you need it in the future.

Very sad news. I am fortunate to have been a member of Rich's forum and gotten to know him. RIP Nick

The first report that 'Oswald' had been in the USSR and a 'communist' came to the press from a call from Bell Helicopter. There is a whole chapter on this issue in "Coincidence or Conspiracy," edited by Bud Festerwald and Michael Ewing, which if I recall correctly, originally attributed the quote "we know who did it" to a window washer in the Bell Hell janitoral department, but additional release of records indicated it was from a phone tap. They knew Michael Paine was at one end of the line but not sure who was at the other end - narrowing it down to either Ruth Paine or Michael Paine's father, Lyman Paine, the founder of the Trotskite party of USA. Some have even speculated it was a conversation between Michael Paine and his step-father Arthur Young, the inventor of the Bell Hellicopter 47-A and patron of Michael's job in the design department of Bell Hell. If it was a phone tap, as speculated, it would have been a tap initiated by the Security Department of Bell Hell, directed by former Nazi General Dornberger, who came into the USA with his cohort, Weiner Von Braun and Project Paperclip. If someone has a handy copy of "Coincidence or Conspiracy" they can fill us in on exacatly what the documents say. BK I do have that book and did a quick search on the Paines. The pertinent information is on pages 215-216. To paraphrase, On 2-11-76, based largely on the effort of WC scholar Kevin Walsh, the National Archives declassified a page of WC Document # 206. This page appears to be based on an FBI wiretap log. Page 66 of that document refers to a confidential informant who overheard a phone call placed from Michael Paine's office and his home. The book concludes it was likely between Michael Paine and his wife. The informant ....."advised that the male voice was heard to comment that he felt sure that Lee Harvey Oswald had killed the President but did not feel Oswald was responsible and further stated, We both know who is responsible." Further, in the book, it was stated that in the spring of 1976 it was reported that it was a Dallas telephone repair man who was the informant. That's all I could find right now. Nick

Very helpful, Tom. Thank you Nick

And, since Jethro could find no evidence of anyone hiding in the trunk of the Presidential Limo, he had to assume that there must be another, yet unresolved, answer to exactly how a bullet which was fired on a downward angle, could strike the human skin in an upward angle of attack. Thus creating an "abrasion collar" at the bottom boundary of the wound of entry while also "punching" out a nice neat 4mm X 7mm wound of entry. Of course, this still left poor ole "Jethro" in a quandry. Which centered around exactly how it was that a bullet which was fired on a downward angle of approximately 18-degrees down, could enter the body on a base first upward angle of attack, yet thereafter continue to penetrate into the body on a downward angle of from 45 degrees to 60 degrees downward. Hope that answered your question Nick! Tom Thanks much for your continued posts. Although you have explained all this in detail, the concept of an lower abrasion collar vs a shot from above is difficult to comprehend and accept. Are you saying that depending on the rotation at the moment of impact, it could also have been possible to leave an upper abrasion collar? Nick

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The hole at the edge of the collar, which went through both the outer coat and the inner liner in an irregular fashion. is the bullet entrance hole for the third/last/final shot which occured down in front of James Altgens at a time when JFK was bent fully forward with his face down and turned to the side. The bullet penetrated through the slightly raised coat collar on a tangent, exited to strike JFK at the base of the neck in the edge of the hairline, and therafter penetrated through the soft tissue of the neck before striking the skull in the EOP region. Thanks for your detailed response . It is very much appreciated. I only recall having seen photos of the tie, shirt lower hole in the jacket. Is (was) there a photo of a higher hole in the jacket? Thanks Nick

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