James DiEugenio

Its hard to believe how much baloney that DVP can get into one post. The Warren Commission did have the autopsy materials. In one of the executive sessions, McCloy asks about this point. Rankin replies that they have them for the Commission only in a room off the hall. This point is also acknowledged in the McKnight book. (This is the kind of research that this guy does.) All of this makes this lie even worse.

Let me also add, as bad as David has shown to be Oswald's alleged ride down to Mexico City, the journey back is, in my view, even worse.

David is demonstrating why Duran was so dangerous to the official story. I think this is why she was arrested so soon after the murder. I also think that this is why Echeverria was not going to let the WC interview her in MC. He basically blew them off when they asked to talk to her. It has taken all these years, and all these declassifications to even get the broad outline of what happened in Mexico into some kind of defined portrait. But finally it appears that the CIA turned over the job of manufacturing a phony LHO trail to Ochoa and Echeverria. It was a trail so diaphanous that the FBI could not touch it since that would have meant upsetting the whole apple cart.

In that vein, here is a priceless story. When RFK was hitting up corporations for money for his Bed Stuy restoration project, he called this one business executive and asked for some big bucks. They guy said, words to the effect: Senator, if I went into my board room this afternoon and said we are making a six figure donation to renovating the Bedford Stuyvesant area because Bobby Kennedy asked me to, they would have me committed. True story. Can't you just hear RFK chuckling after that?

Pretty easy. Compare what Hernandez did with the witnesses he polygraphed who indicated a conspiracy--Serrano and Fahey-- versus what he did with Wayne, who was really a suspect. I mean how do you get more suspicious than that guy? And then Wolfer becomes president of Ace, and then Hernandez retires four years later and runs Inter Con. BTW, that company has contracts with many municipal entities in Los Angeles, like court houses and ticket paying kiosks and windows. Did she add where Hernandez was living last? San Marino, which has a higher per capita income than Beverly Hills. Try and find an apartment house there. Hernandez did well after covering up the not so open and shut case.

John thinks its Markel. And Markel had volunteered his services to kill Lumumba. But then when Justin Odonnell agreed to supervise the CIA operation the whole modus operandi changed. So Markel was not used.

That is interesting Karl. Since Rocca worked so closely with Jim A, I would have thought he leaned toward a KGB plot.

Every once in awhile I have to thank Davey. Please, enough is enough.

FC was losing the argument. he throws in one reference to 9-11 and now we have a free for all on that subject on a JFK forum. Nice going FC.

In other words, the only extant picture we have to go with the visa app is this one?

Paul: I think that the WC discounted the Odio story for that reason. It was too much of a live lead. It would have gone back to New Orleans.

Ron, to get back on subject, Phillips started smoking 2-3 cigarettes when Dan presented him with a chart showing that each one of the people who reported that there was a Castro or Soviet connection to Oswald in MC e..g. Alvarado. It turned out each of these people was some kind of propaganda asset to Phillips. (Fonzi, The Last Investigation, p. 293)

Did the DPD also have the visa application? I am trying to figure if there is any possibility that the application was ever with another photo? Did we not get this from Cuba?

Yes Denny, that is accurate. I think the real story is the opposite. There was no LHO in MC, and he was at Odio's. BTW, isn't FC a real piece of cake. He does not know that the whole equipment malfunction excuse was used by Phillips. It was later exposed in the Lopez Report as a deception. This was one of the reasons why Danny and Eddie drew up a bill of indictment for Phillips. Always nice to see FC side with a perjurer.

So that is in block letters also. Hmm So David, is that the only picture with LHO in sweater and tie that ever accompanied the visa application? Do we know that for a fact?

And to me, that is just so incriminating. Because now we have the immediate photo bank check forms which were just declassified as far as I know in October of 2017. They literally say, words to the effect, no picture of Oswald. Now, with no picture of Oswald, and no audio tape of Oswald, what are we supposed to think?

FC: I guess you are asleep at the switch again. The title of this thread is Oswald was not in MC. I was looking for the Visa Application in full if David has it. I wish he would post it.

But again, why is it being copied over in hand from cursive to block letters? Why not just xerox it?

And BTW, to show how original David's work is, virtually none of this info is in the Lopez Report.

This is supposed to be the Vias application that LHO filled out? Why would someone copy it over in block letters? Why not just xerox it? This is getting so bizarre, even for the JFK case.

David: So you are saying that this photo that either the CIA or State Dept produced for the WC as the visa application, that photo was of Oswald on his return from the USSR? I hope you are aware of how this further blows up things. The official story says that he went out to get a picture from one of this many photo shops. If he brought this picture with him then he would never have done that. It is simply amazing to me how it took over fifty years to excavate this pile of utter rubbish that the WC fell for in MC.

To me this about does it. Does anyone really think those two signatures were signed at the same time? And can anyone think it was on the 25th? With the new evidence from Father McChann in the Jackson book, which K and K will be reviewing soon, this all but guarantees there was an imposter. Because he swears that the visit to Odio's was on the 27th due to a definite time landmark. David, where are the staples? I don't even see any staple holes.

On the second one, that does not look like an original signature to me, and it does not look like the same guy signed them. One last thing David, did you not say once that there was also something about the way the application was stored and stapled that was also odd?

The Pike Report, as published in England is over 250 pages long. So what the Village Voice printed was either excerpted or was in summary form. And you are right Jim, the Pike Report was not completed. What we have today is something like a rough draft of what it would have been. But let me say why I think that is. The Pike Report is not at all written in the gentlemanly language of the Church Committee Report. It is harsh and, in some places, quite bitter about the whole experience. It does not give one iota about manners or etiquette. The report says, for instance, that the State Department deliberately muzzled witnesses before the committee in defiance of the law. (p. 45) It would then describe how, at a certain key point in an inquiry, the White House would cut off further classified information from the committee. (p. 36) The whole report is written like that. With a frankness that you simply do not see in Washington. And boy did the CIA not like it. The Agency attorney before the committee said, "Pike will pay for this, you wait and see...We will destroy him for this. I'm serious. There will be political retaliation. Any political ambitions in New York that Pike had are through. We will destroy him for this." (p. 7) It was no empty threat. Pike's career was ended after this. He chose not to run in 1978. He knew what awaited him.

David: Did you not say at one time that the whole visa clipped application with Duran looked fishy to you also? I think you gave two reasons.