Trygve V. Jensen

Not sure exactly where the photographer of this 2nd one is standing.

Think these series contributed to my interest in the case, - and the initiation of making the channel. When posted clips from that series in 2006-2007, it was as said , only because I could not locate them anywhere on Youtube back then. Now a search - result gives tons of hits. Tried uploading them myself, before this search, this year. Part 3 was blocked, in one country alone; USA. The reason is 2 minutes of footage, concerning, the morning of the nomination of the Vice - presidency, - in LBJ's bedroom, with Connally. RFK stormed into the room, and "started screaming at Johnson, - knewing what was good for him,- he'd get off that ticket". ......"they hated eachother (LBJ and RFK). "Old man Rayburn said "**** Sonny", - and kicked him out". --"Johnson "playing "second fiddle" - and that those Vice-presidential years were agony for him". Even though JFK treated him well, - but no one else, according to this. Etc etc. Shame the entire video (1 hour 33 minutes) - is blocked because of these 2 minutes, copyrighted by PBS apparently. Nothing new, - but good that those series are more available today, than back then. Just in the sense of making information available. Thanks to "Terrence Raymond" .

Seems there was no answer to get regarding the post above (T. Craven - footage). It became more than two questions. (Trying to search as well in here, to spare people of having to answer obvious questions) : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:48 PM: **Eight second footage of a policeman waving a woman away from what looks like the pavillion area or most likely the fence. Where does it come from? Couch? (Attachement 1) GM: "WBAP-TV photographer Jimmy Darnell." From my channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBjaR2OzH20 ----- and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZJchNka8wk There is also footage of the Darnell film, on some of the clips i edited out of Evidence of Revision back then in 2006-2007. For instance the footage at the parking lot with Roger Craig, etc. etc. etc. Maybe 3mins or so,- I dunno. (Wonder why episode 3, and not 1 and 2, --- is banned in one country alone: USA . ) PBS maybe. Robin Unger's 49MB gif: (Sorry Robin,- your original link did not work for me) : https://giphy.com/gifs/5b0l2ZLxv0VCOyyJOw Ed Ledoux: Didn't remember hobby-speculating was so fun ---- I like to observe all views/sides regarding the assassination, whether it be the lone assassin-"side", or the conspiracy-"side". Today's speculating-session, led me to this Prayer-man-discussion - phenomena. Where I amongst many other things (in addition to the origin of Evidence of Revision) , read two different accounts from Gary (shortly before he passed), - stating the Sixth floor, - has a 16mm first generation copy of the Darnell film. Which the Museum can not do anything with, because of copyright issues, or something of that nature. He struck me as a good and decent human being, - and I would like to think he was telling the truth towards the end of his life. The Museum denied it, as I understand, - later. That they have the film. --------------- * No progress/update of that situation the last 3 years ? ** In perhaps the name of "seeing-things-that-are-not-there-caused-by-imagination" - , if instead of focusing on Baker (in the gif, and youtube-video), - and focusing on the upper left, - can it not look like there is another cop running the opposite way/out from the TSBD/towards the Pergola/Elm? Westwards. Edit: A bunch of cops ran of course "everywhere". But maybe he has been identified ? ------------------------ As a sidenote,- it would have been interesting to accompany Gary, in his trip down the basements of NBC. Tons of boxes,rolls,vhs-tapes. https://www.flickr.com/photos/153357684@N03/40143189095/in/album-72157691763842682/

(Off-topic, that is the list foremost (sorry, - will delete if original poster desire)) Maybe should post in a different thread. Thanks again for answering. Atleast, indirectly , - it concerns one person on the list. Just find his account interesting, - and he do discuss the two points you make, - about witnessing the assassination on the steps, - as well as the paper bag. (To me he sound sincere (here in 2013), - but that is irrelevant). edit: wrong timestamp.

Thanks for responding.

And the reasoning for this one (asked for the 3rd time) . Just the faintest shred of anything that indicates this, would be appreciated.

"Beyond JFK - The/A question of conspiracy" - documentary, - apparently used a first generation copy of the Wiegman film btw.

Yes, - movement of tree branches also occured to me , - initiating the question of whether it was windy that day or not. Again from the post from 2006: John Dolva: "At the top to the right of this on the frame 20 there is a bright dot that has faded by 21 and gone on 22. Below this on 21 there are 3 whote dots that are gone by 22. They are curious and explained by 1: a defect, except why does the top one linger for one more frame. 2. something moves behind the pergola and light glints. 3. muzzle flashes. 3 is not very likely IMO" Bill Miller: "I think we can rule out shooters because not only was the back of the pergola in plain sight from as far east as the TSBD and as far west as the train tower, but the windows are so high of the ground when standing behind the colonnade that an assassin would need a ladder to get high enough in the air to shoot through them." John : "Au contraire, Bill. The location is not visible from most of the TSBD and the tree foliage blocks a view from the tower. Also the pergola IS a ladder. Lastly, who knows what was parked there to block views?" ------ "It's not such a bad spot. You've got cover from the tree and the curvature of the structure blocks the view from the TSBD and the row of trees and fence blocks the view from the underpass. You could just stand there quietly, not showing anything, pop up acquire shoot and scoot. Maybe even just blend in to the crowd." Bill : "Maybe the view would be blocked by trees if someone were looking out of one of the upper floors of he TSBD, but I was talking about all the people in and around that building who were on foot. And like I said before - one would need a ladder to reach that elevation. What was behind the pergola you ask ... the Nix film shows it to be the RR car sitting back in the RR yard .... I think that photo of the RR car is on or about page 350 - 359 of Trask book "Pictures of the Pain". It would also be work getting Trask other book called "That Day in Dallas" for it shows the view behind the colonnade and how high those windows were off the ground. This policeman with a long coat and the woman who was in the pergola, now walking towards Bell. How many police with long dark coats were in the plaza? Who is he? Could he be the assassin? The woman is in a dress, but it is not Sitzman who was the woman who was walking into the shelter immediately following the assassination." ------------ ........and on and on and on

Thanks Robert ! Really do appreciate it. Yes it is. Both a comfort, - and sad at the same time. And the world was bigger then. Without information moving so fast, - getting instant notices - wherever it comes from, - around the globe. My Mother was just 8 - scared stiff. It was her Mother , aged 33, - which was the one screaming and yelling, running back and forth in her kitchen apron (or whatever the English word for it is). My Grandmother died in 2010, and I got the magazine a short while before that, accompanied by a newspaper page, cut out, regarding when RFK was shot. I remember she just shook her head, and got sad, - when I myself, - asked her about when Kennedy was shot. More than 45 years later.

Btw. It is 2018. 12 (15) years later. Aren't all these home-movie-camera- films from Dealey plaza, available in better quality somewhere ? Than rips from a DVD from 2003. With all the technology these days.

Less processed. https://gfycat.com/CostlyPaleFlamingo Fascinating blast to the past for me, initiated by you, noticing that what can look like movement, or whatever it is. Reading John's discussion with Bill Miller, in that thread. Fun stuff. Not so strange he found it a curiousity,---- timing it exactly at Zapruder frame 313.

Ok thanks , - was busy looking for the gifs, - colorization i edited into the previous post now.

I do actually very much appreciate positive feedback, - so I'm glad that you also appreciate the photo collection. Thanks Yes, - only from memory,- I mean that Bowers first said he did not notice anything, to a policeman questioning him. Then he said what he said in his famous interview in Rush To Judgement. (Flash of light,- commotion, smoke, or whatever it was that he said. ) I am not sure when the photo I have in my collection is from. His view.

Here is the topic : (Scroll down to his post December 19th. (The gif is gone,- and i can not upload it to my collection). So I uploaded it here: https://giphy.com/gifs/ukNEwkQHL5KJcNGKVI (of course it is also processed, - and enlarged,- but you get the idea. Both the "flash" you see,- and the anomaly he mentions. From John's post: "The real curiosity occurs halfway down the right side of the image. There are two lighter bars (red) and in between them a darker bar. (blue) Keep your eye on them. See how they seem to move smoothly, changing pitch. Extending the line of this darker bar. It is tracking Kennedy's head, except when Newman s in the way when it jerks a bit and then at the end it quickly in moves off target. This bit is not in this gif, but occurs about 28. Then that area is outside the frame. This image shows the tracking." ------------------- The colorization he is talking about,- is gone,- but I have it here on my disk :

Being nothing even similar to an expert on the field; As I have understood it,- when a video is uploaded to Youtube,- it is automatically "processed". In one way or the other (or multiple). You do not see the raw footage as it was, when it was uploaded ? When again this footage that is uploaded, - is a rip from a DVD, (also processed) which Robert Groden made,- it is processed even before uploaded. This is ripped from the Groden DVD yes ? I have it in my closet somewhere here. (Oh there were two,- both from 2003, I believe). ("JFK The Case for Conspiracy", and "JFK assassination films - The case for conspiracy") Atleast I'm now looking at two DVD's with different covers with these names. If so,---- that version of the film is mildly said "difficult to watch" yes ! Especially when it is so blurry , and of poor quality, in the first place. (Not that I have seen the original). And again, - if so --- I have trouble to understand how one can make conclusions like that Zapruder is not at the pedestal. --------------------------------------------- With that said, - - - -- it is (trying to find the right word...) fascinating perhaps, - that John Dolva in 2006, - posted an anomaly in (I believe) the Nix - film, - which is about exactly at that spot in between/behind, the pergola; Edit: Not the exact same spot,- but one square up diagonally - rightwards.

Thanks Jeffrey, - positive feedback very much appreciated .

No I can not. I have a lot of information to refresh / aquire , - being out of the game, in so many years. Besides that, - if I read the title of the thread correctly, there is no question that these listed people have been proven to be CIA-officers/agents that are involved. Deciding/proving if people got a paycheck from the CIA or not, - was/is of course, not an easy thing to do. So many people were claimed to have connections to the agency. As an extreme example, -- there are (as you must know) even tons of people, articles, videos, that the former POTUS George H. W. Bush (!) was assigned to the CIA,- and was involved . Argumenting as far as I can remember, - also that that is the reason Trump, or whoever responsible --- withheld some of the documents released , last fall; that these documents involved people still alive. The list of people claimed to be connected to the agency, and the assassination must be a long one. Including Oswald himself,- or E. Howard Hunt for that matter. Etc. etc. Off - topic; was watching some of the excellent videos on the Sixth Floor Museum's Youtube - channel the other day. One of the Living History - videos, feature Buell W. Frazier. When was he connected to the CIA ? Can't remember that from the old days here. Interesting. Maybe someone here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/153357684@N03/albums/72157693074766691/with/26121524207/ Just linked to the videos, for the sake mentioned. If you feel they are out of place , and take the focus off of your question -- I will remove them.

Your nr. 3 - entry in the list. Will always repeat: ( I do not necessarily agree with the views expressed, -- in any of my videos. Just for the sake of sharing information. If it is false, or correct, - others will decide for themselves.)

Your nr. 4 - entry in the list. ( I do not necessarily agree with the views expressed, -- in any of my videos. Just for the sake of sharing information, - in case anyone had not aquired it already. If it is false, or correct, - others will decide for themselves.)

No problem Paul. As is said elsewhere; 'Documents which define history should belong to the public, not private interests'. As much information as possible, -- should be available to as many as possible. So, even if only the 9 photos of the magazine my grandmother kept, -- is "new", - that is just fine. And it has affectional value for me. A precious memory of a good human being. The attachment - limit here was frustrating. So atleast it will be possible for me to link to a photograph within it, - without having to do internet - searches. Given the collection will not be taken down. Again.

After a very short googlesearch, I chose Flickr of all sites, to get some photos online. If of any interest to anyone. * Everything is taken from a 12 year old harddisk,- so many, if not all of the photos are guaranteed to be available today elsewhere, in much better resolutions. ** Have tried to sort for a few hours,- but it in itself is still terrible. *** Included one album with photos I took with my phone , of a Norwegian magazine, - published December 7th. 1963, concerning the assassination. ( My grandmother scared my mother (8 years old) - stiff, - when getting the news of JFK's death,- screaming and running back and forth between the kitchen and the livingroom. My mother says she acted like a family member had died. An example of what an impact JFK made around the world, - even up here in northern Norway, - north of the polar circle. Back then they had radio. Not sure if they had gotten a tv yet. No cellphones, no internet.) My mother's mother, - kept this magazine, and gave it to me. **** Included one album (even though it has nothing to do with the assassination) - from when LBJ, -- ridiculously enough, was scheduled to meet my father's uncle's family, on his visit to my/their hometown Bodø, - September 10th. 1963, - roughly 2 months before JFK was assassinated. My father, and his cousin (my father's uncle's daugher) explained that he actually turned down the LBJ - visit ( if it is true, - I can not prove, - but still kinda fun to think about (for me). He was traumatized in WW2, and felt it would be too much hassle,- with all the police, SS, etc. ). LBJ ended up visiting their neighbours instead. ***** Snapshots of the harddisk from the stoneage included. The Collection : https://www.flickr.com/photos/153357684@N03/albums ( Hope this one will be up longer , than the last attempt, which lasted for half a day ) .

Trying, and have tried , but unable to see clearly any assassin visible in this photo. The only thing of "shot-significance" (except Abe who shot his film) I can see, -- is this :

It didn't last more than 14 hours. "Unfortunately, our Moderators have had to suspend your account due to a violation of our site Terms, (https://about.500px.com/terms/) - specifically related to Other/general trolling." Unaware one could post anything there, - so I must have either trolled someone there, while asleep , or at work, ---- doing nothing at the site whatsoever. Or broken the specific law of "other". Any tip of online storage/sharing site, would be appreciated.