Trygve V. Jensen

Interesting thread, - thanks. Semi-on-topic; https://www.docdroid.net/lSN9jmf/5acb8f7906114-oswaldwhereabouts.pdf (Surely been posted earlier, - just in case some people had not seen it, - or if anyone can extract some relevant information from it) ; A timeline ( 8 am - 1 pm ) , that as above post do, -- include the names Decker, Fritz, Euins, Haygood, Harkness, Mooney, Webster, -- and of course Oswald. ------------ Derailing - Edit (sorry): ---- "2H208. His (Euins) original statement says white man. He testified that Sheriff’s office must have made mistake when typed his affidavit as he only said white spot on head. Id. When asked what color, said he could not tell b/c only saw hands and bald spot. Couldn’t say if it was negro or white. Id. at 207. Says he saw 14 or 15 inches of “pipe”. Id. at 206. Saw hands on trigger mechanism but not scope. Id. at 204. Could not say noise came from pipe he was looking at when heard first shot. Id. at 209. Heard construction worker tell policeman that he saw someone run out of rear of building. Id. at 206 20 " ------ "White spot" ; When engaging fantasy-mode, associations may go in the direction of : " dust on Williams head" (Jarman; after shots (dust on stomach in Allen photo)) , or "a hat that looked like a wool stocking hat with a tassel in the middle of it" (Mercer) . --------------- Dillard : https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=3125&fullsize=1 Allen : https://www.flickr.com/photos/153357684@N03/26121965477/in/album-72157667055480028/ "Fantasy - mode" is most of the time , - anything but constructive, - and at this point in time, - just contributing to the derailing of the original topic of this thread, --- and at the same time contributing to steal precious time.

I was afraid of that. Thank you very much Mark.

Just bumping , as this seems to be Thomas' last post I can find here. Anyone heard from him ? We had some private messaging going on, and I see we had discussed some of his research, - he allowing me to publish some of it, - "with limitations", whatever what was meant by that, as long as attaching copyright - notices. What happened in the following years , with his research, - I have no idea atm. If it was published / debunked , - or if he even located the remaining boxes of it. What remains in my old disk, - is just a fragment.

That's fascinating in itself, - how a "chance-click-of-a-mouse", changed your course . I'll try watch a bit of part 4 now. It is not password - protected either, as it apparently was at some point in time.

Having to catch up on an overwhelmingly large amount of information, as well as learning things for the first time, - I find it easy to divert myself, in order to fully more comprehend the importance. Did not open the document until now. In retrospect I can't remember studying this (the meeting) in much depth in the past. I do remember scratching the surface. One of the surviving clips (2007) from my channel: ------ It is also apparently from EOR, - and you all have seen it. (Here (with Bill O`Reilly?) stated meeting was in August, - not September). ------------------- In short, - I should thank you for making my Saturday evening not only interesting, and fascinating, - but also more constructive. I plunged into some searching, - (found out this document is not within the folder I downloaded myself) - which amongst many things, - redirected me back here to this thread: --------- ----------------------------------------- ------ which for me of course started out very intriguing, - but as this thread halted on January 5th; - with a description of Wynne's part 4 (which I have yet to see) , - where he at that point apparently has derailed / escalated (t)his whole discussion/recollection of the meeting itself, - into his own remarks/views, about the RFK - assassination, - the Polka Dot Girl, - and maybe even "Mind - Control" (Vicki) , -------- I must say, that IM(prejudiced)O. (before even watching these 2 available parts, - cause they are just that: available, - even stated otherwise in the thread) ---impression of this person's account's credibility) - diminished somehow. (Still I have not much to base that upon). Maybe I shall watch this two parts now. It seems Wynne just disappeared ? ----- Point of interest, of maybe no importance, even if I understood it correctly, --- from that thread was this: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111947#relPageId=11&tab=page There haven't come forth any explanation for why the HSCA cites Vic Walthers' interview only ? Perhaps it's just getting too late, - and I am just misreading/misunderstanding things; He did, --- or did not interview Veciana , August 19th - 1977 ? (My misunderstanding-rate just increases , the later it gets here, - so I'll just press Submit, - and try to remember the second thing I was meaning to ask, (or was it comment on)). ------------------------------------------- Anyway, - thanks for linking to that document, showing J.M. worked for Philips.

Thank you Michael C. Appreciate any input. Will read up on it after dinner. Being a less-than-average-informed sheep, - while reading through this thread, - I was taken to newspaper-articles, - linking to some informer(s) saying Tippit was the assassin ( :-) ) - having met LHO and Ruby at some bar, - and Ruby meeting LHO in Florida etc. etc. Fun Saturday - evening - entertainment after a long day working, even if it is fiction. Thanks again, - any tips / directions towards points of interest, - appreciated. Downloaded a 9GB Folder, containing 6684 pdf - files, and the 17 audio-files, --- but realized I have no idea what it is, (as it was not labeled in a orderly fashion) - pertaining to which dates released, - if it (of what was released last summer and fall ) has been released already in the past, ---- nor any idea how much information is still, - and perhaps will forever be sealed. Have a further splendid day / evening / night - depending on your location.

All the audio released, - was it 100% Nosenko - interviews, or anything else ? Anything particularly juicy discovered by now , in the released records or ?

Thanks for the input. The one to the left of Ruby, is someone else then. I shouldn't be posting when being so tired. Linked the above clips , broken down for ease, - and didn't notice until this morning, -- that this exact event (towards the end of the clip) was also posted as a short snippet back then , - naming it "Captain John Will Fritz". Excerpt from EOR. Would have have made it easier last night, - but anyway, - then it's both the entire part 1, - and this short snippet , including the footage in that timestamped link from the entire episode. Thanks for the input to you too. That clip seems to be from some documentary I can not recall at this moment. Interesting to hear them describe yes. Tom Pettit, Fred Rheinstein, Homer Venso, Chet Hagan, and Red Walker.

Semi-on topic; -- broken down snippets from the old days, (for ease) : (mostly from Evidence of Revision, but it seems some clip(s) were from "Murder of JFK - A Revisionist's History" and "JFK - Breaking the News". The Killing Of Lee Harvey Oswald: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjphDSY5QJ4 Chaos at the Dallas Police Department: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7KItsGP0ps Oswald is eliminated - The Aftermath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrwZCpdvvHA Did Oswald get picked up or not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqHu1Aw2Z4s The critical minutes - Dealey Plaza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCdW8GntC-0 Excerpt from the Alyea film : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyuApXqja0 The Depository revisited - Alyea#2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQr4y1j4Gw The Mauser 7.65 rifle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqqNKsWCGY Search for an assassin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqXOWMU4_3E Various news footage - post assassination : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgtRwNq7vbE The impeachment of LBJ - Nov22nd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCnZOZqNk0 Jack Ruby - part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ6bQmxE-qM Jack Ruby - part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDDxYOqyqlc --------------------------- Seems I derailed it a bit here, - sorry about that. Edit : thought maybe something would be of interest, if people have trouble finding it, - even though Youtube is full of hits on this search now. Not sure what is blocked exactly , from other than my own country. Part 3 is blocked in the US, - when uploading the complete episode, as said.

The guy (in white) in front of him, - and not the guy in suit , with glasses on his left , or ? If being as tired as me right now, - one could imagine that it seems Ruby is saying something to this guy , - who may seem (if continuing speculating) to jump just as fast as him into the picture, - as if they came there together. Or that guy leading him into this position. ( I should go to bed ) So tired I even didn't see your post Joe.

No apologies needed at all Ray. I have a high misspelling - frequency myself . More important to just understand eachother. Have a nice day !

Yes apparently he had a good view. Tower in background. Not sure what has changed since then (1963). Never been to the Plaza. Someone mentioned a car, - or cars that may have been parked behind the Pergola , obfuscating/obscuring/obstructing (whatever the correct English term is) his view. In general, as said yesterday; "if there was an assassin, or several - in any of those areas, -- he would be the one to see him/she/them. He or perhaps Edna Case which I think someone mentioned, - who was looking out of the window from the Depository (westwards) -- but for some reason did not hear any shots. (!)" Or J.C. Price . Stated in the Lane - interview, that he saw a man running etc. etc. But he stated some strange recollections in his WC - testimony I believe, - or was it the affidavit the same day. Can't remember. I have to run now, - - no time available.

Hi Ray, - we both have an "y" in our names . Being out of the game for so long, - this is one of the many many areas I am as far as an expert, one can possibly be. So I have no idea if anyone said it exited, - and did not say anyone said so either; that it exited.........--- I just asked if it did, - and if so, - where to ? Simple. Picking up info here and there is interesting,- also in this matter. Any input appreciated. I am not a doctor/medical expert either , - so I don't know how a normal Tracheo(s)tomy look like. I interpret your view as , that it was a frontal shot, - -- that it did not exit, - and said procedure was in order to retrieve a bullet. Hastened and misunderstood interpretation perhaps. Btw. : I ask because I want to learn, - and to pick up information / views / opinions / explanations etc. - from people who know what they are talking about. Lots of skilled/knowledgeable people in here. If it is interpreted that I ask in an insinuating way, or have any kind of agenda, - that is not my intention. Edit: As a contributor to derailing the topic of the thread, - I apologize for doing so.

From Robin Unger's excellent collection: https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=147&fullsize=1 https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=12520&fullsize=1 If an assassin was shooting from where you say, - this shooter must have been seriously tall, (unless there is an actual elevated platform or similar inside the shelter I do not know about) - even if standing on a "human-table" - which is described in the video you linked. Even taller than the man described by Philip Ben Hathaway perhaps:

I am a nitpicker, - and have trouble allowing myself to make assertions, - without being 100 % certain of something. As impossible/contradictory that in itself is/may sound. One of many negative characteristics I have, - I guess. So I simply don't feel I have enough to go on. The answer is; I do not know. (I had opinion(s) in the past, - but I'd like to keep those to myself)

Thanks for clearing that up . Whether there were assassins in the shelter or not, - I with my eyes, can not see them in neither the Moorman - photo, nor the Nix - film. But that's just my perception.

Did it exit? - If so; where ? Edit; Hi Rick btw.

Hi again, pretty busy atm. Just one remark; I just reacted on you linking to that video , saying it would make sense of what you're saying. To me it damaged the credibility of what you are saying (not that I have had too much time to read up on it). I don't see the connection with what you are saying, - and said video. Quite the direct opposite. According to the guy in the video, the sniper is still aiming, caught in this "quick-split-moment" after the shots (Darnell). While you yourself say it is 30 seconds later. Two very different things . So you disagree completely with that guy on that. Unless he stood transfixed in this quick-split-moment, - aiming (for 30 seconds) after done shooting.

Thanks for your input; I'll just say that I respect your opinions, - and that I'm sorry I can not agree with them. Too many things here do not make sense to me. Like using a colorized snapshot from the Darnell - film, showing two assassins standing there ,------ (but not the person who served as a human-table-to-stand-on, who's back provided a probably not-too-stable-platform - on which the assassin with a (to me) abnormal big head, colorized into the zoomed photo, was crouching up and down in-record-speed -- on) ------ where one of them is still standing there with his rifle pointing, - such a long time after the shots, ---- that people had started running up the knoll , - running past these transfixed shooters with rifles, - ignoring them, - while they are in plain sight just a few feet away.

As already mentioned previously, - I feel it should be "allowed" to appreciate (as I do) people's efforts, and dedication devoted, -- through so many years, - within the case of the assassination; - whether it be people with an opinion of that it was a conspiracy, - or people with an opinion of the opposite. Like you guys. Trying to conquer the fear of posting in threads, regarding issues that causes highly emotional responses. Especially considering my non-expertise, -- compared with you guys. Also the fear of being "flamed", - just to agree with someone on something. Not educated within any of the relevant fields here, - I just observe with my amateuristic eyes. And I present no news. But to express an opinion, is not against the law. --------------------------------------- It is difficult for me to not agree with this . Just from memory; -- do not the Zapruder - film, - the Nix - film, - and the Muchmore - film (and partly the Bronson - film) , show various indications that the Limo, did just that; slow down / almost stop ? Like the tilting "forward" of the Limo, ( and "backwards" tilting, when Greer speeds up again ) while the Limo is always in motion. (Excuse my limited English btw). Or (what my not-so-excellent memory tell me) --- that the right rear - brake-light (whatever it is called) is lit (someone stating this) - showing Greer hitting the brakes, as the Limo is always in motion here too. Are all these films altered ? The Bronson - film too ? --------------------------------------------------------------- Yet I also, - no matter how many times seeing the Zapruder-film (even when trying to persuade myself to see it from a non-SBT-supportive view) ---- just can not get away from seeing what looks like Connally being hit by the same bullet. It's just perception with very amateuristic eyes. Trying as hard as possible, - to consider that he is just startled/jumping up in seat/ -- even when holding his Stetson, or whatever, (as JFK is shot in the throat/neck ) ----- it to me is , to a high degree, - unavoidable seeing him being hit at the same time. Not stating I support/refute this theory (SBT) in itself. Just stating what I'm seeing. Apologize in advance for just posting/expressing opinion/agreeing with someone/mis-observing.

Hi Keyvan, I don't know what most guys here know (about your opinion of a shooter stationed inside the shelter) - as I haven't gotten to read through much , of what has been posted the last 8 - 11 years here. You mean inside of the shelter, - (cropped) to the very left here ? : (Just used google street maps, getting as close possible, - to the "X" (headshot) - in order to at some degree determine Bower's view.) J. Dolva discovered the before-mentioned anomaly in the Nix - film in 2006, right about where that girl at the left is (behind/through the pergola) at the time of this google-street-view-photo. Seems like Bowers could have been able to see that one. Wouldn't a shot from either of these locations have hit Jackie ?

But; any news/insight/views/debunking/confirmation, ---- on anything he discusses/states in this clip from 2014 ? The information has been available a long time now, and must be well - known. Just a few hurried notes of some of the things he says, while I was watching it; (yes a few of the names are surely misspelled, - as they were hard for my ear to register. Typed what they sound like. (haven't had time to search everything yet)) : ---------------------------------------------------- Walt Brown speaks: Conclusion. The military did it. * J.D. Wilmouth ?: Colonel army intelligence, -- spoke Russian, - called M.Paine, said he wanted to visit/talk to Marina (linguistic interest - stated reason), - because of dialect (city of birth),- but of all people didn't need to.; (Phd. / fluent in russian, - - served in Moscow). Went there (to R. Paine) - real reason; "courtesy call."; said: "this guy (Kennedy) is gonna fall this weekend. either go along with what happens, or you're takin' the chances." ** Jack Crichton (I searched it up) - (army intelligence) ; (had been in sponsored partnership with George DeMohrenschildt - (late 50s)), was there when Marina + Ruth were brought in (to DPD) ---> translator needed, ----> called Ilya Mamantov (connected to elements in army intelligence), ..Marina questioned while Ruth Paine was in the room. Not proved: his (Mamantov's ) translations were more injurious to Lee.O. from Marina, -- than her actually words were. *** Car with G. Lumpkin + Whitler (co-directors of the army intelligence that would have been, in the protective scenario; had there been one) + 2DPD - officers in the car, ----stopped at corner of Elm/Houston (which apparently was the reason they got delayed, and did not interfere with the security breach - that was that people never should have been on the overpass), ---- talked briefly there with Jim Powell (special-agent, army intelligence), which was there to take photographs only. His job, - was to make sure he saw Oswald in the window; then --- they knew the patsy was in place. Powell was not allowed to take photos with somebody in the window with a gun, cause it would show it wasn't Oswald. He took photos, -- of the window, - just made sure to do so, when no one was visible in them. **** Army had a file on Henry Lee Oswald. Not the same Oswald. ***** Last call from Oswald from prison; ( not to New York, in order to obtain the lawyer) ; but to North Carolina, - "John Hurt"? (army intelligence) - was told the party is "not answering" , (though a 2nd operator signed an affidavit, - that the call went through. Also - "two men in suits" listening in. "For what it is worth; You can not find motorcade assignments , to traffic officers, .-- to get Kennedy back to Love Field. " They weren't planning to get Kennedy back to Love Field." ****** Robert Croft; an hour to kill, while waiting for train; took photographs in Dealey Plaza, and meant 4th photo was taken about when Kennedy was shot in the head. Confronted by FBI , - short time afterwards , - in Denver. Some photos not received, when returned to him, - including the one mentioned. ******* Arlen Specter: Army intelligence. "Circle completed". ----------------------- Edit: Thanks again Paul ! Yes I remember her interview(s). (Madeleine). And the recollections from the meeting at Murchinson's. Interesting about PRS, - and FBI's assurement that no dangerous people were in Dallas. Sounds like they couldn't be more certain. Hosty was (by whom , I can't recall tonight) characterized as a poor fellow, who just did his best, - and whos life was ruined by Hoover afterwards. And Sorrels, --- didn't he express late in his life, - that he was sure/knew it was a conspiracy ?

(3) Walt Brown, Barr McClellan’s Blood, Money, and Power (November 1, 2003) Thanks Joe ! The 1998 - info, - - it just rings one particular bell for me , from one thing solely; "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" - series. It have been so many years since I watched any of those episodes, - I guess it was one of the last, if not the last episode, --- all this information was in ? Only from memory; I think it was even (mis)labeled as "banned". That episode. My memory surely could be far better, - I can't remember it was Walt Brown who first said the fingerprint was from Wallace. If that was stated. Thanks. Don't remember which of those murders he allegedly committed, - but one of them, - I remember there was some dispute about his trial, - discussing LBJ got him off , or something of that nature. I do remember the fingerprint - match, identified by the not so young N. Darby, - was disputed. ---------------------- Appreciate that second input , --- from 2003. That was new to me. Or atleast it is "new again"; - can not remember anything of that from the old days.

Hi Paul, thanks for the tip ! I have not read it, - - just read a few opinions about it, - which from memory were all positive ones. Some time ago.

More than three years since last post here. Tried searching; - anyone know of a more recent thread discussing this 31.000+ pages - compilation by Walt Brown. ? Or discussion(s) of different areas/fragments/details from it. ? Would appreciate any tip/insight , - whether on topics, details, or about the author himself. Not having caught up on much , - I don't know what the stance(s) is on this compilation/author/information within the chronology. By now, many things (he claim) may have been debunked etc, by now. Any insights? For instance on what he is saying in this interviev: 4 years old this clip, - should for sure be old news by now.