Vince Palamara

6 hours ago, Jamey Flanagan said:

Was reading Honest Answers from the forum's very own @Vince Palamara and came across the fascinating observations of James Young. One of those ties into the late David Lifton's Best Evidence. Some of it seems to be pure speculation on the part of Young, but he says that upon arrival at Andrews in Washington DC that one of the handles on the ornate bronze coffin of JFK had been broken while offloading it from the plane. Then the part that was probably speculation on his part came in. He thinks this was why JFK was put in a different coffin and that the body was probably placed in a body bag at that point and put into the other coffin. I find that a weak excuse why the body came in Bethesda differently than it left Dallas, but at least it is an attempt to resolve the issue and acknowledges the fact that there was a difference. He also says that two men were sent back to the presidential limo to see if any other bone fragments were left in it and came back with a bullet along with the other material removed from the vehicle. Not related to Mr. Young, but another thing I found pretty fascinating was statements made by Parkland doctors who performed surgery on Connally who said that the slug was skill in his leg. And that was AFTER the so called magic bullet was found on the stretcher. If indeed the slug was still in Connally's leg then the stretcher bullet was not the one (or only one) that passed through the Governor.

Thanks! Please see: 

I have so many observations to make on this fascinating topic, but I will try to be brief (in no particular order):

- The "seeing conspiracies in your soup" is the one dangerous byproduct of this case for some that is highly disturbing to me. Everything controversial that happens in contemporary life becomes a "false flag", a "hoax" and a conspiracy with people making false equivalencies to the JFK conspiracy ("Damn, it is just like what happened on 11/22/63!"). Thanks largely to Alex Jones and James Fetzer, both 9/11 and the Sandy Hook massacre were made out to be something they were not and, as a result, the term "conspiracy theorist" thus took on a much darker shade with many no longer taking anyone who espoused notions of "false flags" and so forth seriously, even throwing in the "tin foil hat" insults. I rarely heard anyone making derogatory comments about JFK conspiracy researchers pre-9/11 (and pre-Fetzer/Jones) but, since then, it is common fare to see loads of insults on public (comment) forums and so forth. We have met the enemy and it is (largely) us by these false equivalencies to contemporary acts (mass shootings, etc.) and going off the deep end.

- Having "a life" greatly helps keep things in perspective and also helps one keep an open mind towards the case. By "a life" I mean anything from a wife and/or a family to even "just" other interests (or perhaps even a full-time job; hopefully one that is intellectually stimulating and so on). Without diversions, one can become consumed with this case and become too wedded to a theory, paranoid, bitter, easy to get into conflicts with others, etc. I remember a time in the late 1980's-early 1990's [I was 22-26ish] when I was full-blown consumed and obsessed with this case, to the point of silliness: I would make a sharp hairpin turn in my car and think of Bill Greer driving the limo in Dealey Plaza (!). I would constantly juxtapose mental images of Kennedy in life with those of him being assassinated (those early viewings of the Zapruder film and especially the autopsy photos had a profound effect on me). I remember seeing the JFK movie and coming out of the theater all fired up and wanting justice for Kennedy, only to be bummed out when I overheard a couple talking about who was playing NFL football on Sunday- hey, why weren't they as "into it" as I was? The list goes on. I almost felt as if I had ADHD back then- the Kennedy case was a running movie in my head nearly all the time. The case "cooled" for me somewhat as I got older- with age comes cynicism that the case will ever be solved. Actually, this case is a weird conundrum: there is a part of me (a part of most all of us?) that doesn't want it to ever be solved, as incongruous and potentially distasteful that notion may be to some. But have no fear: this case will live forever- not so much because it will never be solved but we will never AGREE with any solution!

-I highly recommend this outstanding article by retired Canadian researcher Ulric Shannon (I knew him well back in the 1990's when he was a passionate young man interested in the case. When the 2000's came, like Kathleen Cunningham, Carol Hewett, Barabara LaMonica, Steven Jones and others, he lost interest [I think the ending of the ARRB actually had a negative effect on some- it felt like that was the last investigation- the last hurrah- and, with the new century, we had gone as far as we could go]: Problems In the JFK Assassination Research Community (jfk-assassination.net)

-"Don't become a Livingstone"- that is what a few fellow researchers said back in the day. Harry Livingstone, although a highly successful and prolific author (High Treason was twice a NY Times best-seller, while High Treason 2 was also a NY Times best-seller plus he wrote a couple other books that did well), was ostracized from the research community and barred from speaking at any of the major conferences (ASK, Lancer, COPA) because of his harsh and hostile takes on well-known and revered authors like Mary Ferrell, Harold Weisberg, Mark Lane, and others. Harry's third JFK book Killing The Truth truly "did him in"- he became a pariah in this case. Harry had fallen so far down the rabbit hole with hatred for other contemporaries, paranoia and loneliness (he was a lifelong bachelor who inherited some money and made enough money from his books to never have to work- he just "lived" the case 24/7), that the very good work he DID do on the case was (sadly) ignored and shunned because of the way he was.

14 hours ago, Joseph Backes said:

Glad you could restrict yourself to the topic of Paris there Vince. 

Haha!

Official Getty Images caption: McKeesport High School marching band lining up preparing to march, with sharpshooters on roof tops and billboard for Union Clothing Co., during President Kennedy campaign stop, McKeesport, Pennsylvania, October 13, 1962. (Photo by Charles ‘Teenie’ Harris/Teenie Harris Archive/Carnegie Museum of Art/Getty Image

(Sorry-couldn't resist)

12 hours ago, Joseph Backes said:

See - https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88-01350R000200830005-8.pdf

Again, from twitter - https://twitter.com/i/events/956679576263933952?s=20

This could explain the security:

9 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

 

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/The-Discordant-Voices-of-Extremism-11.18.61.mp4

15 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

This is the article I mentioned.

Yes.

5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Thanks for all that VInce, now i have to stay home for 2-3 nights to watch it all.

What are Bart and Malcolm going to do with Harry's files?

I know Malcolm has his own online archive.

My pleasure! See that Dealey Plaza UK link- a lot is archived there.

Really good article before Harry passed away: Kennedy assassination is author”s life”s work – Monterey Herald

Harry made brief national news included in this video:

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Like I said, Harry was a tough guy to get along with.

But I still think he did some valuable work.

Does VInce have his files?

Where are they going to?  Baylor I hope.

Bart Kamp and Malcolm Blunt have Harry's files, but I (also) have several amazing videos: Harry Livingstone - Dealey Plaza UK

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, benefiting from this controversy, the DVD of JFK Revisited is back up to Number Five on the Amazon documentary list.

This is precisely FIVE MONTHS after the DVD was first released.

And its Amazon overall  rating is 4.7.

A year and a half after its debut at Cannes.

Nice going Oliver and Rob Wilson.

THE best documentary on the case EVER!

Not really into the specific area.

On MSNBC now!

2 hours ago, Joseph Backes said:

1.) Get all previously released versions of the document that you can. You can do this for many between the Mary Ferrell Foundation and what NARA scanned and put online starting in 2017.

2.) Read them. Compare and contrast them. 

3.) Is there anything that was redacted that now isn't? Or are they merely releasing material they already released knowing the vast majority of so called researchers will be too lazy and too stupid to notice? That happens to be the case with several documents so far.

4.) Do not read a document in ignorance of whether it had been released before and eager for attention proclaim how interesting it was to you and start a thread on it. 

Tragically, Larry will hold a press conf today ( 12/16/2022) as if he has done steps 1 - 3 above.  It is impossible to have done a proper, professional analysis of 13,000+ documents overnight.  You're setting yourself up for failure to pretend that you have.  A slower more cautious approach to at least give yourself a weekend would have been a smart move, even better to come back to this after the holidays. 

Joe

Hi, Joe! I forget the man's name now (some author/researcher who self-published quite a few kindle-only releases), but this guy really got on your nerves a few years back- he would post the docs with red arrows and your response was something like "enough of the arrows: keep reading."

EDIT: Ralph Thomas was his name.

3 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

Curtis is Win Scott.

Interesting!

104-10103-10079.pdf (archives.gov)