Karl Kinaski

I did some "Jack White work"...It could be Langley.

I am not sure. When JFK first announced McCone as Dulles successor, on Sep 27. 61 it was at the Naval War College/Rhode Island...but this is two month later. JFK was "pensioning" Dulles that day. All the pics can be found here:JFK Dulles According to this page it was at "CIA Headquaters"...but Langley wasnt ready untill Feb 1962. Otherwise: it couldnt be Foggy bottom because of the helicopters in the background...

No. The first major foreign operation of the US Secret Team was to buy (and influence with psyops) the 1948 elections in Italy. KK

November 28. 1961... Lansdales Boss: Another well known Casper, joking with "his" future victim. Caption: JFK: (thinking after the BOP)Sorry, Allan.You are a nice guy. But I don't need you as my adviser. Dulles: (thinking) Yeah, Jack...And we don't need you at all.

Good read Eddys cold war

Jim, my question remains: I wasn't asking Ed Haslam. I've been down that road before on the Exile thread. I'm asking you to listen to the appropriate part of the interview with Marrs and confirm to me that my description above is accurate. It will only take you a few minutes. Thank you. @ M Hogan: It would be helpful to explain what's your point...

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Operation educate Mr Carroll B)

Someone else hacked Hornes FB account, posting cryptic video links to his FB friends, say "Doug Horne to R.Messner" (which is a german CTer). When I klicked on the link, my anti-virus software warned me not to do it, because it would be an "attacking site", trying to steal personnel data... It was not only an attack on Horne, it was (or is) an attack on all of his ( CTer )friends. Things like that...maybe FB handled that in the meantime... KK

Sry... Some Hackers are spamming Doug Hornes Facebook account with garbage... Quote. D Horne: HACKER OUTRAGE: Facebook appears unable to prevent hackers from sending malicious garbage to me using others' addresses, or to prevent hackers from sending malicious e-mail "from me" to others...so it's "Adios Amigos" from me to all of my real friends. Close quote KK

The Dirty tricks Dep. strikes back! Here...

Yes, and to celebrate it with a bottle of coke...

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Quote Bob Fox, deeper into Dave Perry But let me add another instance that dramatically illustrates the personal morals and journalistic ethics Perry maintains. After Commission critic Cyril Wecht was indicted by the local Republican DA in Pittsburgh on a slew of rather weird charges, Perry printed Mary Beth Buchanan's entire 55 page indictment on his web site. Now it is bad enough to print an indictment by a prosecutor who was part of a Justice Department at the service of Karl Rove. But what makes it worse is that Perry kept the document on his site even after the indictment, was first, drastically reduced (over half the charges were thrown out before trial), and even after the jury failed to convict Wecht of even a single charge. (It has since been removed, reportedly after Wecht's son got in contact with Perry.) Close quote Once again: who said Dave Perry is a good guy? KK

Alright, you believe in this sheet of paper, and I trust Garrison...(You are right about Lewallen) KK

Marachinis Chrysler File maybe is a hoax...(BTW: Standard Coffee isn't Reilys...) Garrison not only says Marachini started working the same day as Oswald (and Judyth Vary Baker), he says he left Reilys several days after the assassination for a NASA Job...just like Alfred Claude, who hired Oswald at Reilys, Emmet Barbee Oswalds superior at Reilys, and James Lewallen (Ferries and Marachinis friend)another Reily employee...they all left Reilys several days after the assassination, to start working for NASA...even Melvin Coffee started working at a NASA facility(Aerospace Operation) at Cape Canaveral...this becomes more interesting, if one is aware, that the whole U2-Project(planes and staff) was transfered from the CIA to NASA after the assassination of JFK... (Oswald was once a U2 guy) KK

David Ferrie did not buy the Single bullet theorie Quote: MEMORANDUM February 28, 1967 TO: JIM GARRISON FROM: ANDREW SCIAMBRA AND LOUIS IVON RE: INTERVIEW WITH DAVID FERRIE On Saturday, February 18, 1967, at approx. 3:30 P.M., Louis Ivon and I interviewed DAVID FERRIE in his apartment on Louisiana Parkway. As we approached the house, FERRIE came out on the porch and looked at us and began to walk down the steps to open the door for us. As he opened the door for us, he told Ivon that he was glad that we finally decided to come and talk with him as he had been trying to get in touch with Garrison or Ivon for several days. He told me hello and asked me what I was doing with Ivon and I explained to him that I was an Assistant DA now and thought that I would come along with Ivon since we knew each other from the airport. He told us to go on upstairs and that he would follow us, but that it would take him some time to climb up the stairs as he was sick and weak, and that he had not been able to keep anything on his stomach for the past couple of days. He moaned and groaned with each step he took up the stairs from the bottom to the top. This behavior by FERRIE impressed me as a phony act and I am sure he was not as sick as he pretended to be. Once inside the apartment, Ivon and I sat down and FERRIE laid down on the sofa in the front room. He was wearing pants and a t-shirt and had two pillows under him. There was a young man inside the apartment in his early twenties who was a friend of FERRIE'S from the Lakefront Airport. His name is Burt Johnson and I remember him from when I was working out there. FERRIE had given him flying instructions and he told me that he had acquired his license. My first conversation with FERRIE centered around airport talk and about people we both knew from the airport. He said that he had often wondered what had happened to me and that he thought I had gone into private practice. He said that he had known a lot of ex-DAs and they were all dumb, with a few exceptions. He said that the reason he'd called us was that he was concerned over our investigation. He had heard all kinds of rumors that he was going to get arrested and that he wanted to find out if these rumors were true. He said that as a result of these rumors, he had been asked to leave the airport and was concerned over how he was going to make a living, that flying was his only enjoyment in life. FERRIE said he was suffering from encephalitis and that he could not get any rest from the radio, TV and press boys hounding him to death. FERRIE said his phone rings from morning till night and that he had talked to Sam Depino from Ch. 12 until the early hours of the morning. FERRIE said Sam was trying to con him, but that he was too smart to fall for his line, and that all those people were "bastards". Just then the phone rang and it was a reporter from the Times-Picayune, and he said that he would positively not grant interviews and that he was tired of all those bastards calling him up. The reporter must have told him something, because he was not calling him a bastard personally, but was referring to the news media in general. He then hung up the telephone. FERRIE picked up the Picayune paper and said he wanted to show us portions of the story that really disturbed him. He said the newspapers can kill anybody when they want to, and that it was never more evident than in the cases of CARLOS MARCELLO and JIMMY HOFFA. FERRIE said the newspapers tried to frame both of these guys. He then talked about the MARCELLO trial that he was working on in 1963, and how the newspapers tried to crucify MARCELLO. He said MARCELLO made asses out of all of them when he was acquitted. FERRIE said he wanted to know why we brought MIGUEL TORRES back from Angola. He said that he knew what people would do to get out of prison and he thought Garrison was trying to frame-up by using MIGUEL TORRES. FERRIE said that if this would happen, he would sue us and everybody. FERRIE said he had been contacted by some big attorneys in Washington DC, and they wanted to help him. FERRIE also said he did not like the way Garrison was answering questions put to him by newsmen and that Garrison should make a definite statement and not say "No comment". He said the "No comment" stirs more xxxx than an hour's speech. FERRIE said Garrison knew this and that he was obviously using this for publicity. I assured him that Garrison was not trying to frame anybody and that he was avoiding the press and he could not say much less than "No comment". Then FERRIE said he wanted to talk to Garrison personally. We told him we would try and arrange a meeting in the near future. FERRIE then began to curse JACK MARTIN and said MARTIN started all of this stuff. FERRIE said MARTIN was jealous of him because of his relationship with G. WRAY GILL and that MARTIN was trying to ruin him (FERRIE). He said MARTIN is a screwball and should be locked up. FERRIE then said Garrison had better be careful because he knew that some people were trying to torpedo him; that he knew of three people on a local level and a couple people on a national level who are trying to ruin him politically and are trying to embarrass him politically with this assassination investigation. FERRIE said he did not want to mention the names of the local people, but Garrison should be smart enough to know who they were. He then began to talk about FRANK KLEIN and he inferred that this man was one of the local persons trying to destroy Garrison. However, when Ivon asked him if KLEIN was one of the people he was referring to, FERRIE said that in time we would find out. FERRIE did say that Hoover was one of the people on the national level because Garrison had dared to criticize the Bureau and has the whole country wondering if they are as smart as the Keystone Kops. However, FERRIE said he was glad about this because as far as he's concerned, all cops are bastards and that he has no use for any of them. FERRIE also said he had heard that some people in Washington were talking about the investigation and that two days before the story broke in the newspaper, some people were saying that Garrison would call a press conference Friday and give the story to the press. FERRIE said he didn't want to give out any names as he didn't want J. Edgar on his ass too. He then asked to speak to Garrison again because he wanted to see if we were serious about this whole thing. I told him that Garrison was more than serious and that we were checking out all our leads and information. I then told FERRIE he could tell me what he wanted to say and I would tell Garrison for him. FERRIE said he wanted to talk to Garrison himself and look him in the face. I then asked FERRIE to tell me where he was on November 22, 1963, and how he had become so involved in this. FERRIE said it was all on account of a trip he made to Houston, Texas on the afternoon of the 22nd to ice skate. He said that all he wanted to do was relax after the MARCELLO trial and he just had the urge to go ice skating. FERRIE said, that as it turned out, it was the worst trip that he had ever made in his life. I asked FERRIE what he did in Houston. FERRIE said, "ice skate, what else?" I said, "I don't know Dave, you tell me." FERRIE said I was a newcomer around the game and that my office knew more about the trip than he did. FERRIE said, "Ask your boss. He had me arrested when I got back into town. I was booked as a fugitive from Texas and I have never been to Texas." I asked him to tell me about the arrest as I didn't believe we would arrest a man who was perfectly innocent. FERRIE told me I had a lot to learn about life and that I was a starry-eyed kid right out of law school and I was still believing the inscriptions on the courthouse walls. FERRIE said that after a while, when you get a little smarter, you'll see that this is a stinking world and that what I told you at the airport is true. I told FERRIE that what he said may be true, but that still doesn't tell me about the arrest. FERRIE said, "All right, I'll go through the spiel again for your benefit." FERRIE said that after he had taken his trip to Texas, he, [ALVIN] BEAUBOEUF and [MELVIN] COFFEY stopped in Alexandria and he called G. WRAY GILL. GILL told him the police were looking for him and that they wanted to ask him some questions about the assassination. He said that then he drove back to New Orleans and dropped BEAUBOEUF off at his apartment on Louisiana Avenue Parkway so that he could go upstairs and call some girls for them. He said that he and COFFEY then went to the grocery store. He said that when he and COFFEY were returning to the apartment he noticed a bunch of cars around his apartment and a lot of people. FERRIE said he figured it was the police and so he went back to the store and telephoned. FERRIE said some dumb ox answered the phone and tried to suck him into a conversation, but he just hung up. He said he then dropped COFFEY off and went to Hammond, Louisiana. I asked him "where in Hammond?" FERRIE said, "by a friend." I asked him what friend and he burst out laughing and said, "I'll say one thing for you, you sure try hard." He then told me not to try and investigate him because he could show me and my whole office how to investigate. I didn't press the issue any further, but later on he told me he did not stay in a motel, but with a friend who will remain anonymous. "Besides," he said, "I've got friends all over the world." I said that was very interesting, but that I wanted his opinion on one other small matter. He asked, "What?" I said,"Dave, who shot the President?" He said, "Well, that's an interesting question and I've got my own thoughts on it." FERRIE then sent his friend into another room to get an anatomy book and a pathology book and he pulled out a sheet of paper and began to sketch on it. FERRIE drew a sketch of the Texas School Book Depository and of the parade route and of the area in general. FERRIE said that before he would definitely draw a conclusion, he would have to have more information and facts. FERRIE then went into a long spiel about the projectory of bullets in relation to height and distance. He said that different guns and shells have different projectories and that bullets tend to drop (missing). He said the Warren Commission did not have enough pertinent scientific information to come to an objective conclusion. He said he did not read the Warren Report, but what he had read proved to him that the Commission did not know what they were doing. FERRIE went into a long spiel about JFK's neck wound. In the course of his lecture on anatomy and pathology, he named every bone in the human body and every hard and soft muscle are. He talked extensively about the dermis and epidermis. FERRIE said that if the same bullet that struck JFK in the back or neck eventually struck Connally, that Connally or JFK had to be a contortionist. He then rattled off more scientific information in regards to bones and skin and how a bullet decreases in speed when it strikes an object and how the same bullet could not have possibly caused all that damage. FERRIE said that the question would never be answered because the doctor that performed the tracheotomy had 10 thumbs and left unanswered the most important question of all time. FERRIE then laughed and said that doctors are almost as stupid as lawyers, but that lawyers are worse because they are always in your pocket. I then said, "In other words Dave, you don't buy the 'one-shot theory'?" FERRIE said he wasn't saying anything because he didn't want J. Edgar on his tail, that he had enough with Garrison to contend with. FERRIE said that in time he would work the whole thing out and then laughingly said he would contact our office. I noticed at this point that he was in very good spirits and was laughing and joking and even commented that he's feeling pretty good now and that he had had 3 cups of coffee and hadn't thrown up yet. FERRIE then received another phone call from STEVE LITTLETON and his wife and joked with LITTLETON's wife about how he knew that she had dated LEE HARVEY OSWALD and that he was going to tell Garrison on her. She must have told him that she had seen his picture in the paper and he replied that he didn't like it because it made him look unphotogenic. She also must have asked FERRIE if it was him some people identified with somebody or at some place and that he said the people are mistaken or he had a common face. After he hung up the phone, we told him we had to leave. FERRIE said he had more to tell us about the 'one-shot theory'. We told him to save it for another day as it was dark already and we had to meet Garrison. I then asked him if he would like to tell me some more about his trip to Hammond and he smiled and said "Go to hell." I then asked if he stayed with CLAY SHAW. He said, "Who's CLAY SHAW?" I said, "All right, if that doesn't ring a bell, how about CLAY BERTRAND?" He said, "Who's CLAY BERTRAND?" I said CLAY BERTRAND and CLAY SHAW are the same person. He asked, "Who said that?" I said, "Dean Andrews told us." He said, "Dean Andrews might tell you guys anything. You know how Dean Andrews is." FERRIE then started to go into another lecture and we told him we had to go. He followed us down the stairs and walked out on the sidewalk with us. FERRIE asked Ivon to be sure and call him. Ivon assured him he would and we left. close quote Four days later CTer David Ferrie was dead...

Let´s see... 1.In Garrisons book "On the trail..."he is called Marachini...(german edition) 2. Nobody knows, which kind of relationship Ferrie and Marachini had. Marachini was living next door to Clay Shaw,(1309 Dauphine street) and a frequent Ferrie-visitor... 3. You are right, it was Coffee, not Marachini, who was with Ferri on his Huston trip... sorry for that... 4. Garrison says in his book, that Marachini and Oswald started working at Reilys exact on the same day --sry I rather believe Garrison, who was at the center of the events, than you... KK

Hi David, I read it and it reminded me of a similar sit-down confrontation I had with McGeorge Bundy when he visited a nearby college. Besides his main speech in an auditorium, it was arranged for Bundy to have sit down Q & A session with local media. Bundy sat at the end of a conference table and I sat down right next to him. While the questions ranged on various subjects, I brought it around to the Kennedy assassination and asked about the situation in the situation room at the White House. While I didn't know the details then about the reports of "no conspiracy" being radioed to AF1, I did ask some pointed questions and he bristled at some of them, but politely answered. I no longer think such confrontations are of any value, and while it is a shame Dulles didn't take you up on your offer to meet privately with him, rather than the hard-nosed approach to adversaries, I think there's more to be said to offering a drink and a toast and take the frank, soft approach to get people to talk about their recollections or to think about such things they don't want to think about. You sort of have to smooze them a little to soften them up. And having dismissed the Kennedy assassination as a topic, it is interesting that the next student's question was about foreign interrogation techniques. The more things change..... And he didn't want to talk about that either. I guess since he had his wife with him at the time, it would have been difficult to ask him about Mary Bancroft and the Valkyrie Plot to kill Hilter, huh? Bill Kelly

Well, one should be careful: JVBs story is a bomb shell regarding the events in NOLA in the summer of 1963 to reveal who Oswald really was. Her story fits perfectly with the (independently developed) book of Ed Haslam, which IMO is the strongest indicator of her honesty... But she knows nothing about the actual shooting in Dallas, except that Oswald was there to save the president, not to shoot him...and that he was completely innocent...her book will be, I am sure, the final EXCULPATION of a 24 year old boy demonized by the US- Mighty Wurlitzer for nearly half a century... (BTW: One of Ferries boys Dante Marachini - he was with Ferrie on his Huston trip 22.11.63 - started working for Reilys the same day Oswald and Judyth did: coincident? hardly...) KK

I stumbled over these passage in CIA (Wikipedia) Quote The Office of Training begins with the Junior Officer Training program for new employees, but it also conducts courses in a wide range of specialized professional disciplines. So that the initial course might be taken by employees who had not received final security clearance and thus were not permitted unescorted access to the Headquarters building, a good deal of basic training has been given at office buildings in the urban areas of Arlington, Virginia... For a later stage of training of student operations officers, there is at least one classified training area at Camp Peary, near Williamsburg, Virginia. Students are selected, and their progress evaluated, in ways derived from the OSS, published as the book The assement of men...Assessment of Men, Selection of Personnel for the Office of Strategic Services. Close quote This book was written 65 years ago, and is still in use in the CIA Training! Has anybody read it? Is there a reference in that book to Sun Tzus ART OF WAR? KK I haven't read that one, but I do know, from having read the autobios of many of the men who were in OSS, that you couldn't just join, you had to be recommended, and you had to pass a series of tests, not just intelligence tests, but tests to see how you would react in certain situations. They say it was very rigiorous but it stretched the limits, physically and mentally. David Atlee Phillips, who wasn't in OSS, but Army Air Corps, also wrote a recruitment book about the type of men needed for intelligence work, and Ian Fleming once gave a speech on the attributes needed by secret agents in the field. BK Four OSS tests are explained here: # The Brook Situation # The Wall Situation # The Construction Situation # Stress Interview Maybe Oswald did "The stress interview" during his "training"...there was at last one guy who said Oswald acted like a professional during his Dallas-Interrogations...(Oswald was only furious about the unfair line-ups, and the false evidence, they confronted him with. Said Oswald to his brother: Don´t believe in the so called evidence...) KK

I stumbled over these passage in CIA (Wikipedia) Quote The Office of Training begins with the Junior Officer Training program for new employees, but it also conducts courses in a wide range of specialized professional disciplines. So that the initial course might be taken by employees who had not received final security clearance and thus were not permitted unescorted access to the Headquarters building, a good deal of basic training has been given at office buildings in the urban areas of Arlington, Virginia... For a later stage of training of student operations officers, there is at least one classified training area at Camp Peary, near Williamsburg, Virginia. Students are selected, and their progress evaluated, in ways derived from the OSS, published as the book The assement of men...Assessment of Men, Selection of Personnel for the Office of Strategic Services. Close quote This book was written 65 years ago, and is still in use in the CIA Training! Has anybody read it? Is there a reference in that book to Sun Tzus ART OF WAR? KK

SRY, a lapse in my last sentence: I meant "Craft of Intelligence" is of zero value...( I corrected it...) To me too "The Secret Team" is the most valuable book, not only to understand the events of the 60, but to understand how the United States Government works down to the present day! I posted the passage(of The Secret Team), because the book contains, IMO, the best description of the Chameleon Allan Dulles ever...but the pieces of the characterization of that man are spread out all over it´s several hundred pages, and it is not easy to find em and put em together...if anybody wants to know who Allan Dulles really was, I recommend to read the text online... KK

I fear we have to: quote Prouty "The secret team": Typical of his (Dulles) method is the way in which he organized his book in 1962. The only intelligence function of general significance not covered in the language of the National Security Act of 1947 was that of collection. Characteristically, the only intelligence function given any chapter heading emphasis -- and it is given two chapters -- in his book, The Craft of Intelligence, is collection. This was so typical of the man. He would have everyone believe that if he repeated something often enough and if he pounded something out often enough, sooner or later everyone else would give up, and he would have what he wanted. His book would convince anyone that the most important Congressional mandate to the CIA was that of collection; yet that function was not named and was specifically omitted in the law. The CIA most certainly did get into the collection business and has augmented the collection capability of the military and of the State Department. It was this same bulldog ability of Allen Dulles that brought the CIA into the clandestine operations business, and once in, that made it the primary business of the Agency. Here he was, working against all of the constraints that had been set up against him. He simply worked like the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon; he eroded all opposition. close quote One of the reasons Dulles was in Texas was to promote "The Craft of Intelligence"...a book of zero value... KK