Kirk Gallaway

Hi Lance, That's a cute picture. Sort of a 50's cartoonish styler. What is this, "The Getaway?" I can almost feel the glaring heat! As for your central point , I mostly agree with it. Attributing the fact that Oswald protested he was a patsy, does run counter to the theory that Oswald's chief motivation was to be an historic figure. But it's often being forwarded as a major reason for Oswald's innocence. It's not that overwhelming. Lance: Curiously, just yesterday - no, really - when I was reading a couple of posts discussing some detail of the conspiracy, the thought occurred to me "Do you realize how many completely unproven assumptions you have articulated in your lead-up to the obscure detail you wish to discuss?" I'm not an LNer, but Lance is right. a lot of research could be freed up by eliminating dogma and general garbage. Right now , what I'm seeing which I don't like seeing is first the sort of obligatory Jim Di trying to dig up dirt on Lance, which certainly does merit a response from Lance. And he's made one, you can research it, and attack Lance's answer that he was an innocent bystander to his own award. I guess Lance falls into the characterization people make about Liberals giving out undeserved awards to their kids, for just showing up. But this is in the Arizona, of all states, justice system! But apart from that all I'm hearing is lot of faux incredulity at Lance's assertions, a lot of changing subjects, and a sort superficial dismissal. But the truth is, Lance is asserting very little, nothing monumental that changes the course of anything. He's sort of just elaborated the WC findings, so there's nothing that original here. To get so defensive about a point like this is sort of taking Lance's bait. If you think this is worth questioning , then bring out your big guns, that is Di Eugenio and see what he's got. I don't think that's going to happen. So Lance I'm not going to go to the mat with you about this question and essentially just call this a stalemate.I'll grant you your question that Oswald protesting his innocence is inconclusive as to his guilt or innocence. No one will be able to prove it one way or another. And in mind there's nothing else to be done. So can we move on? I've noticed DVP's here. I have a question to ask both of you, but I'd really like to see Dave's answer first. Dave I always find your answers very lean. You've never bothered to look into any associations that the conspiracy side uses to establish some motive, even if I think some of them fail. You're unlike Tracey or Lance in that it seems you don't read background books because all the facts you seek to establish were on 11/22/1963 and you find those answers conclusive and not worthy of any further examination of associations and circumstances to establish motive, and that's fine. Dave, I don't want to hear any quick little blurbs from Bugliosi,I want to hear in some depth, in 100 words, because it's worth that much thinking, and in your own words, your answer to this question, and then Lance. "Why did Jack Ruby kill Lee Oswald?

Greg, Thanks again. i understand why Max didn't include this, as it's difficult to know from the short excerpt of Michael he included in the film just how present and how much of his facilities he still had, yet it was important he included something, as at one point, he is the elephant in the room. So in that excerpt, there was Michael's adamant claim of Lee's guilt. At the time I drew from some experience with my Father around the time he was 100 years old. At that age physical accidents can jar the mentality so as not to recover. At 99, my Dad's first great fall, he seemed to remember almost all the way up to Pearl Harbor Day and his first 5 years being married to my Mother who had passed. So he had actually lost any memory of his 5 kids and any experiences raising us. Nonetheless, in this period between the ages of 99 and 101, he was adamant learner of his past life and would parrot back conversations his kids would have with him. He was sort of faking having those memories and knowing the story of his life, and on rare occasion would extend on them falsely, and once in a while I had to correct his memory, where he'd just concede he was wrong and we'd move on. This reminded me a bit of Michael's presence in the film. But apparently in moments of lucidity, he could think this through much more than I might have expected. Since it seems somewhat reasoned, it would be reasonable to ask Max why this wasn't included, but I suppose the critical decision may have been made about how much facility he appeared to have in accounting his theory in film, as he is certainly rambling. Having seen it, I'd be curious as to your thoughts, if you would have included it Greg?

So Pat, was it you Michael Paine could have got this from?

ELON MUSK BOOED for almost 5 STRAIGHT MINUTES @ DAVE CHAPPELLE SHOW FULL FOOTAGE I first saw Dave Chapelle over 20 years ago in San Francisco. But just last night. Dave Chappelle became corporate PCed'! This isn't Ohio Dave! I think Dave Chapelle thought just because his audience isn't PC, that they'd love it if he brought out Elon Musk at the end of his performance last night. But in San Francisco, you may not be PC, but you sure as hell aren't corporate fanboy either! Musk obviously felt the audience would bow before him. But after solid booing, Musk began nervously pacing around and decided he better not say anything!

Hate to keep beating that dead horse Ben, about forwarding fluff articles about topics you admittedly have no experience with! If the definition of a good company is that they are to be responsive to their customers needs. My experience with twitter is that they've completely collapsed in that regard. I was thinking it might just be a temporary situation. But it's continuing. For example, I find a jfk/docs in my twitter feed with a picture of Ruth Paine on it. Being curious every time I've opened it up and it leads me to Glen Greenwald and I'm still getting pops ups from Musk as well, some of them very juvenile. But I have numerous interests outside of the JFKA and I opened up 2 tweets from my local baseball and basketball teams and some financial stuff and I'm lead to Matt Taibbi's twitter files, which I'm reading anyway, as well as Greenwad again I get around it now by using my search button, but previously, I would be sent directly to the tweet that I opened. The Jfk/docs as it turns out is from a friend of Max Good. I don't know how they got my address but I'm glad they did. I don't mind getting a number of feeds in the morning and picking the ones I choose. But I expect to be directed where I choose. ***** Ben, being a guy, for the "employee class. What I'm also seeing from Musk is that he's a 19th century,Apartheid, robber baron slave driver, with very little concern for the rights of his employees, whether in his employ now or not. But another case of this is from Mark. In Musk's zeal to slave drive his research employees, for quick results, he's hastily administered a number of faulty tests that had to be thrown out that have resulted in the needless of deaths of at least 86 research animals. The company up to date has killed over 1500 test animals. https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-neuralink-faces-federal-probe-employee-backlash-over-animal-tests-2022-12-05/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

This is 47 minutes long. Probably a good idea to give us a queue where the JFKA is. We do have a non JFKA thread on top where you can discuss Epstein or other modern conspiracy stuff.We have discussed Epstein ad nauseam there at one time. But maybe she's got new stuff. Maybe you can ask the mods for an Epstein thread.

That's interesting Lori. I've wanted to interact with this. That's as reasonable a response as you could expect. Thanks

Attempts to overthrow democracy. Claims he's a victim. Noooooooooooooooo! Noooooooooooo! Ohhh, dey took me off twitta!, and all I did was start an insuwection and did nothing to stop it! How could this happen to me! Somebody!......somebody's gotta payyyyyy! Ooohhhhhhhhhhh Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Arghhhhhhh......... This has got to be a historical first. A charismatic figure who extols whininess and victimhood to his minions as a desired trait and they emulate it as if it's actually noble. I guess it just strikes a chord with the desire to be a spoiled billionaire in everyone? It runs completely contrary to Darwinism and natural selection! At this point, people actually getting up in arms that 2 years ago, Donald Trump was penalized for starting an insurrection to stop the certification of an election, by being forced off of Twitter, is so neurotic and so completely out of touch with the present reality,so bubbleicious as to only serve as a hardy source of twisted humor to normal people. "Dream is over" John Lennon

Attempts to overthrow democracy. Claims he's a victim. Noooooooooooooooo! Noooooooooooo! Ohhh, dey took me off twitta!, and all I did was start an insuwection and did nothing to stop it! How could this happen to me! Somebody!......somebody's gotta payyyyyy! Ooohhhhhhhhhhh Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Arghhhhhhh......... This has got to be a historical first. A charismatic figure who extols whininess and victimhood to his minions as a desired trait and they emulate it as if it's actually noble. I guess it just strikes a chord with the desire to be a spoiled billionaire in everyone? It runs completely contrary to Darwinism and natural selection! At this point, people actually getting up in arms that 2 years ago, Donald Trump was penalized for starting an insurrection to stop the certification of an election, by being forced off of Twitter, is so neurotic and so completely out of touch with the present reality,so bubbliscious as to only serve as a hardy source of twisted humor to normal people. You better not pout You better not cry You better not kraut I'm telling you why, fascist pig! **** Dream is over John Lennon

Taibbi: there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem... Let's be clear what Taibbi is asking for here. He wants the "government deep state" to take a greater role in at least Twitter and Facebook! Ok , many have argued that these social media companies are now so big, they should now be treated like a public utility. So you understand in theory, Taibbi is not put off with the fact that government agencies,or in this case the FBI, in 2020 was having conversations with twitter! Sorry! Jimmy Dore, learn more about what's been going on! There's certainly more regulation of the tech companies in Europe. And there are elements of both parties in the U.S. wanting regulation of the social media companies but, for completely different reasons.

The "Emperor of openness" isn't going to tell us what Trump wanted, just as he's sworn Taibbi to secrecy that Taibbi not reveal the conditions he had to agree to, to be employed, or what he's being paid. Re: newest files. None of these innuendos are at all specific! What's interesting Cliff is the newest installment is a complete "nothingburger!" Reading their internal tweets, I'm left sympathizing with the back and forth of people at twitter trying to come up with a coherent policy given the number of inputs and forces that are time pressuring them and the historic novelty and magnitude of their situation, though I'm sure to the people who think this is a huge story, the question for example, of kicking Trump off twitter after the 1/6 Capitol riots answer was as easy as stopping the Covid pandemic! Every question is easy to simple minds! I seem to remember Taibbi is a good storyteller but he's wasting a chapter here. I would assume he's researched enough ahead to have some sort of smoking gun and he's being thorough in giving us the proper background leading up to it, or 2) if he doesn't have that payload, he'd be a fool and only embarrass himself about drawing this out or 3) he will have what he touts as a major disclosure but many will find it inconclusive. Obviously leaking out Twitter corporate e mails is only legal because Musk has let it be. What employees would want that? It sounds like Taibbi wants government regulation, as he's playing the role of a government prosecutor here. But I'm surprised that Musk would.

Lori, Napolitano was Jim's link. i think during Bush's war in Iraq it became apparent to certain elements in the right that endless war was not particularly desirable but there have always been elements of the right that were for open government. Napolitano was always a good guy, but after a few Trump years, we watched him grow up before our eyes and becoming increasingly more astonished at Trump's antics and maybe getting less air time on Fox. I hope he's ok. His complexion almost looks green here. Ok, maybe it's just the lighting. I think he's reaching the point that he might be even skeptical as to Trump's attention getting claim of "if you only knew want I know about those files!" But yes. All hands on board! We have to flog Biden, by invoking the obvious wishes of his hero, the President's brother RFK, who he shares a birthday with. We have to infiltrate the press corps during one of his press conferences and hit him! The time for BS excuses is over!

Ok, 2 posts Ben? W''s not going to be here for 6 hours anyway. Senema votes with the Dems 93% of the time anyway. ****** Re: Donetsk: John your post is from September. Matt's post is from Wednesday!

Yes, huge story on Fox News!

As Jim Di would say when his assertions are being questioned and he's circling the wagons. Nice one, Cliff! heh heh heh It's absolutely no surprise to me nobody here who thinks Hunter Biden's laptop is a huge story was ever going to respond to this article from Cliff as they simply wouldn't have the patience to go into the detail and read this through. I would expect about the same level of response I just got from Ben about the value to us of his posting of a TV Guide like fluff review of Twitter's new up coming season in"Twitter comes of age!" heh heh But this by far the most comprehensive no BS distillation I've read here. Up to now, it's been nothing but a lot of youtube and twitter snippets and huge font headlines. I will say this about Taibbi, of all the 3 pro Putin writers Greenwald, Taibbi and Mate that Ben emulates. Taibbi was the only one to admit he made a mistake scoffing at the idea that Putin would invade Ukraine. Taibbi was at first talking about all the conditions that he had to agree to take on this job from Musk.Yet even though this is supposed to be about First Amendment freedom ( and I'll take others word that it's not legally about revenge porn!) Taibbi doesn't tell us what those conditions he had to agree to are and how much he's getting compensated for it. I personally don't see the need for Taibbi. They could just release the files to everyone but I'm smart enough to know I don't really know if that's smart. Both the Trump government and Biden campaign weighed in at the time. He won't say what Trump urged, though we can probably surmise that Biden or the DNC doesn't want October Surprise "genitalia pix"* of his son, but as any private citizen's have the right to flag twitter material. Both political parties are aware that public confidence in government depends on some sort of tit for tat accommodation that the last few weeks of a campaign don't degenerate into a big scandalous food fight! The bottom line:The Democrats didn't demand that twitter censor the NY Post! Taibbi: there's no evidence that I've seen of any government involvement in the laptop story. One thing that's dealt with is the Joe Rogan interview with Zuckerberg. It is worth posting here, but it's totally misinterpreted. Zuckerberg was never informed of any specific threat involving Biden or his son. Of course,up to right now the most suspicious allegation is the fact that Twitter's Deputy General Counsel Jim Baker originally worked in the FBI, and of course that doesn't look great. But somehow even though it's been a matter of public record, Musk apparently didn't know this until Sunday?, and he's one of the last employees to be fired. Baker was a witness at the Michael Sussman trial which was connected to the Alfa Bank case, but contrary to Jonathan Turley's allegation that he was protecting an old friend in Sussman, Baker's testimony was against Sussman, and asserted he lied and that supported John Durham case that ended up in Sussman's conviction! How could Turley get it so wrong!! Curiously after Turley tarnishes Baker in his article , he does backpedal and say there might be nothing to his charges on Baker!??? Just to give you some idea how the corporate world works. There are people coming from government to private businesses all the time, (like politicians turned lobbyists for example, or maybe more appropriately in this case, like public Prosecutors to private Defenders ). Given Baker's experience, you could argue that he is uniquely qualified to navigate around uncertainties and allegations of obstruction.Though I know right now, some people will never get over Jim Baker's connections, even if it doesn't go anywhere, but that allegation of obstruction has to be proven first! But I'd think no one who thinks this is a huge story will have the patience to read what I've written. Anyway, on with the show. * It took me awhile to get clarity, but slang "D"word "C word" and clinical "P" word is out, but "G" word is in!

I think they're hiding the fact that they long destroyed anything worth getting.

Nice little short Max! I asked him a few questions here. I do sense he was saving some disclosures for his book. His posts were always unique, and I liked some of his glib responses to some people on the forum! I remember when George Harrison died, the first comment I heard from Paul Mc Cartney was that George Harrison , "didn't put up with fools gladly". Which I thought was sort of a strange epitaph for a fellow Beatle , but that wasn't the first time. Anyway, Thank You David and RIP!

????? Cowen: "More than any other time, if you are not on Twitter, you just don’t know what is going on!" Thank you for that commercial! So you're on the twitter payroll now Ben? Again, I notice your source. Tyler Cowen.. "Cowen argues that free markets change culture for the better, allowing them to evolve into something more people want." Sounds like a real globalist! So i guess with Brett Stephens and now Cowen that whole idea of being anti Defense, NSS and anti Globalist thing was just a passing fad for you? I guess I just can't keep up with your changes. You could ask actual users. I have a twitter account. I accounted here recently that I received a daily story from my twitter feed about sports, and I opened the article up and was greeted with a slough of agitated Glenn Greenwald tweets, and then experienced a number of pop ups from the King himself, Elon Musk. I don't like a stacked deck, and I don't need either of their corporate indoctrinations like you've just posted. Thank you! And if i understood this right , Mark got greeted by none other than Kyle Rittenhouse on his twitter feed! We accounted this to you. Is this at all significant? Certainly not as much as the latest globalist Musk fanboy you can find on your computer?

Right on! Congratulations, Richard! I notice Warnock is up by 60k, where I believe in the first election he won by only 35K. This is as I predicted at the beginning of the year. If the Dems could hold on to the Senate, Trump is effectively now a loser to the Republican Party. His candidacy in 2024 can only fracture the Republicans further. They are going go pay bitterly for their lack of spine and courage.

So Ben. You've now turned your stripes to Brett Stephens? Since you're not familiar with him, you might research his background? I know you'll take interest in his latest article! Maybe I can entice you to read with some teasers? Brett Stephens: ARE We (The U.S.) SLEEPWALKING THROUGH THE DECISIVE DECADE? Stephens:Costs: The United States, goes a common talking point, spends more on defense than the next nine nations combined. That’s true but misleading. It doesn’t take into account significant American disadvantages in purchasing power and personnel costs. One example: A U.S. Marine private can make about as much in salary and benefits as a Chinese general. Wow! Given the fact that we pay higher wages, do you think maybe we should cut the Marine wages and maybe then expend more on Defense then the only the next 8 countries combined? Also, I thought you were present when we discussed cutting Defense by half, probably a dozen boring times. I guess we were just barking at the moon? Well anyway, I know you were quite the Ukraine hawk but, sorry to see you go. Stephens:Trends: Military spending as a percentage of gross domestic product, at around 3 percent, is well below the plus-4 percent average of the past 50 years. It will continue to fall for the next decade, according to projections from the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, and more of the funding will be eaten up by inflation. Stephens:Readiness: The Air Force is short by about 1,650 pilots. The Army is short by roughly 30,000 recruits. More than half of America’s bombers were built during the Kennedy administration. Wow, I didn't know that, chalk another one up for JFK! Stephens: These issues are compounded by public neglect! During the Cold War, defense problems were major political issues, so people paid attention. Definitely, the Cold War were the good old days! https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/06/opinion/military-defense-spending.html?campaign_id=255&emc=edit_ntbs_20221207&instance_id=79491&nl=bret-s

You guys STOP ARGUING! I think I can put an end to all this acrimony! And this is all science! I've got some great news!, They got some of Jesus's DNA from the Shroud of Turin And guess what? It's just like we knew! They tested and found out Jesus is the Son of God! Now all those religions who were saying it was unfair that we invoked our prophet as the "Son of God" Can eat it! We got bragging rights again!---isn't that sweet! But as George Bush Sr.said after the Fall of the Iron Curtain, "Don't wanna gloat!" We don't want to start up a Holy War! So be cool about it! But I know Chris B. and Matthew are big Jordan Peterson fans, so Spread the Word to Jordan! Tough luck Pat! But that's what you get for taking on the renown authors of JFKA and as it turns out, God himself! But we'll pray for you.

Whoa Joe, you look like the same person! You haven't lost it at all! Kind of a flashback from the past! You remind me of 70's AM Talk show host, Gary Collins!

Ben: Glenn Greenwald left The Intercept, more than two years ago. Read it again, Ben. I already told you that. (above) BEN: Greenwald was in Brazil As we said. He's still running the Intercept until 2 years ago. Does the buck ever stop anywhere? Or is he like Trump? You can always do some research and read the link.

Well you're right Matt, in 2013 Greenwald and Laura Poitras were given 250 million dollars from Ebay founder Pierre Omidyar, for their startup, The Intercept! Just to put that in perspective The New York Times, which has about 1,200 journalists on its payroll, has an annual newsroom budget of around $200 million. Greenwald left the intercept 2 years ago. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/10/16/pierre-omidyar-ready-to-spend-250-million-on-glenn-greenwalds-news-startup/?sh=74fef9fd1846 But there's more. The Reality Winner story is tied to Greenwald's Intercept.The earlier release of the Snowden domestic surveillance files "caught the attention of a naïve National Security Agency linguist with the improbable name of Reality Winner in 2017. Ms. Winner, then 25, had been listening to the site’s podcast. She printed out a secret report on Russian cyberattacks on American voting software that seemed to address some of Mr. Greenwald’s doubts about Russian interference in the 2016 campaign and mailed it to The Intercept’s Washington, D.C., post office box in early May. The Intercept scrambled to publish a story on the report, ignoring the most basic security precautions. The lead reporter on the story sent a copy of the document, which contained a crease showing it had been printed out, to the N.S.A. media affairs office, all but identifying Ms. Winner as the leaker. On June 3, about three weeks after Ms. Winner sent her letter, two F.B.I. agents showed up at her home in Georgia to arrest her. They announced the arrest soon after The Intercept’s article was published on June 5." They ended up leaving her twisting in the wind and she's now serving 5 years and 3 months in prison because Free Speech absolutist Glenn Greenwald and Sidney Poitras didn't end up protecting her. “They sold her out, and they messed it up so that she would get caught, and they didn’t protect their source,” her mother, Billie Winner-Davis, said in a telephone interview last week. “The best years of her life are being spent in a system where she doesn’t belong.” They clearly blew it and are all left blaming one another. Do you think that might be why Mr. Greenwald has been increasingly engaged in the bitter feuds with the Democrats? I'd imagine they are just like Glenn's tweets diatribes, for people who just need to confirm all their biases over and over again. www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/business/media/the-intercept-source-reality-winner.html *To those who think that the MSM including the NYT is completely in bed with the NSS, in this article written 2 years ago, one of the opening paragraphs is this below. It actually makes sense , they stick up for press freedoms because they may have to face the same problem with government disclosures themselves. Duh! "The huge breach of the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance program in June 2013 was one of the proudest moments in modern journalism, and one of the purest: A brave and disgusted whistle-blower, Edward Snowden, revealed the government’s extensive surveillance of American and foreign citizens. Two journalists protected their source, revealed his secrets and won the blessings of the Establishment — a Pulitzer Prize and an Oscar for it."

It's called graft, and it's been going on since the world began. More on that below. Now to serious business. Trump, a candidate for President in 2024 tweeted today to call for the termination of the U.S. Constitution to head off possibilities of going to jail. Yes to the kiddies, whoever thought a fascist wouldn't have a Hitler mustache? Whoever thought a fascist would be in a business suit? Whoever thought an fascist could be so cool on social media? Actually you evaluate whether one is a fascist leader by his actions. If they try to overthrow elections that they realize they lost, and then engage in a multi level schemes to divert and de legitimize a free and fair election, that includes outright asking state election officials to fraudulently overturn state elections. Entering baseless legal complaints about an election to attempt to use appointed officials to overturn elections. Demonstrating and storming the Capitol to stop legal certification, as well as ongoing attempts to infiltrate the election process at choke points to subvert election results, that's what we call a Fascist. That Trump was bungling and inept is no rationalization that it all didn't matter anyway. It was a deliberate multi pronged attack that could have been more effective and probably would be if attempted a second time. And now it doesn't matter if he's a crazy loon, on a last ditch effort to save his neck. All the adolescent scoffing as if the whole thing was some joke doesn't obscure the fact that it doesn't matter how inept Donald Trump is. He's guilty and should be thrown in jail. Re: Hunter Biden, What was suppressed? You could hear all this on Fox. Ben, you probably don't even know who Bobulinsky is. Even though he pitched a no hitter for the Angels and ended up marrying Elizabeth Taylor and you're old enough to remember and from L.A.