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Paul, I agree with you and Ray on this subject. As an avid student of history, it is like living through what I read about NAZI Germany at its beginnings. I have sat and watched as our elected and appointed officials have ignored norm breaking, law breaking and total disdain for the Constitution. Though I am now older and not politically active, I have never been able to stand by when others are being abused. Therefore, I fully expect that soon, I and others will pay the price for our failure to kiss the ring of "Dear Leader". Our Republicans (in particular), have become the Brown Shirts of this new American DEVOLUTION. I hope I'm being paranoid, but IF there really are "boogey men" in the darkness, I'm not paranoid - I'm observant. Best to all.

Steve, I'm sure that many of you posting here already know that LING-TEMPCO-VOUGHT was partly owned by David Harold Byrd (TSBD owner) along with James Ling and Troy Post. According to a Wikipedia post, Byrd and Post provided the funding to make a hostile takeover of Chance Vought Aerospace sometime in 1961-1962. I'm posting this for others like me who aren't quite as deeply read on the peripheral players. Thank you and many others for posting your information here for all to see.

Cory, I found an article that mentions Opelousas’ Clay Bertrand as losing a high school boxing championship to George Hanks in 1953. He may have only boxed in high school. The article can be found here: https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sports/2014/06/28/former-prep-boxing-stars-inducted-hall-fame/11661713/

Ron, stay healthy, don't hate - its corrosive to your mental and physical condition. As Mr. T says, "Pity the fool". I too often find myself falling into the same snare. I have to force myself to stay away from the negative (hating) and cling to finding ways to stay positive (or at least neutral). I've always been a history/news junkie of sorts. Always looking for insight into historic events and current events, but over the last year I've sworn off constantly watching/reading the news - just too depressing and biased (unfortunately on both sides). I now spend time in my own little world (my garden/lawn) and selectively search the internet and Youtube for things of interest and quickly move away from those that are expressing biased opinions and propaganda. That usually makes my searches pretty "short and sweet". I still do monitor/read and (occasionally post) on this site just as I used to lurk on JFK Lancer Forum. The JFK Assassination is, at least for me pretty close to the origin of "fake news" as we now know it although it probably has its actual origins in Hitler and the NAZI's.

Very "punny" Ron, possibly "inciteful" as well. I'm sure you'll get a few responses. If we didn't have our humor, it would be an even darker day. Thanks!

David, according to a search I did for "Cnf SSCM (SSSCM)", it stands for Confined, serving sentence, summary court martial". This is from a Col. Folsom who was appearing at "The Hearings Before the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy". The reference was in volume 8.

I'm not real familiar with military forms/paperwork, but my reading of the document says "In the event I am listed as missing or other military circumstances prevent me from transferring funds to my dependents it is my desire that" 100% of my pay each month be sent to my mother. This to me, does not say that in the routine pay process 100% of his pay was to go to her, but if the situation arose that he was in some way incapacitated or not available to transfer the funds, he wanted her to receive his entire pay check.

The ruthless ploy of appointing Jesse Liu to one of the top posts at the Treasury Dept., replacing her in the Justice Dept. position before the confirmation, and then pulling the nomination from under her in order to completely take her out of the picture is simply the "humane" assassination of another person not on the "Trump team". These humane removals will soon lead to more severe "removals" such as jailing individuals (dissidents) or worse. The time has come for either political and personal courage from our elected "leaders"and the supposedly independent judiciary to carry out their duty to the country. This is mainly directed to the "law and order" Republicans. If they cannot find the nerve to stand for the long established national values they claim to espouse, then Ben Franklin's words for his compatriots are at hand for the rest of us. Benjamin Franklin - "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately".

Thank you, Cliff. I got the same interpretation of Bernie's words. I also think he was commenting on the fact that at that time, both Republican and Democratic perceptions of the "Cuba" problem were variations of the same interpretations. I had meant to post a similar sentiment yesterday, but got busy. I think we sometimes get too caught up with the idea that if we don't agree with someone 100%, we can't support them at all. Every single person should have their own views on most subjects and not expect complete approval of those ideas by others. It's why in most situations, compromise is not a bad thing. Everyone sees things from a different perspective and together can often make improvements on a single individuals perception of a solution to a problem. This is much of what I have always admired about JFK. He had very strong core beliefs, but grew in his understanding with every situation he went through because he was willing to accept input of ideas from others and suspend immediate push back until he considered them. If they did not violate his deep core beliefs, he was open to "outside the box" solutions no matter whom they came from. This, I think, became what others often called "softness" in his policies/administration due to the fact that he was not a "my way or the highway" hard liner. Now our politicians push the "if you ever changed your mind" on any subject, you're a flip flopper. I think JFK considered such changes to be the effect of new information or learning and not a bad thing overall as long as you maintained your core convictions and standards.

Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both. - John F. Kennedy Expanding his quote to include totalitarianism, I would say we have the latter, I fear we shall soon have the former and King Donald and his "enablers" will cement their power. Next up internal chaos, an election declared invalid because of voter fraud. All attempts to bring back any "rule of law: will be decried as a product of the "rabid" democratic socialists' who are trying to remove him via the coup that was begun the day after his election in 2016. Who knows, Trump may officially ask Russia to assist in putting down the rebellion in the streets when it happens. Sorry, just had to say that before all means of dissent are cut off/ridiculed. Best of luck to everyone. I think we're going to need it.

The only problem with this reference is that according to all the pictures I've seen of Frazier's car, it is a 1953 or 1954 dark colored or black Chevrolet, not a 1959.

At this point Trump has removed/replaced so many people in the governmental hierarchy with acolytes of "Der Fuhrer" and subjugated so many through fear of the liberal mob plotting a coup since day one of his administration, the very apt words of Michael Cohen may soon be considered visionary (as in nightmarish). Cohen warned that he feared Trump would not relinquish power peacefully. Cohen understands that Trump has so much to lose if he no longer has the power of the Presidency, that he will go to any extent necessary to retain power. I have the same fear for our country. I am no great historian, but have read and seen enough to see the parallels of Hitler and the Nazi's in Germany. They were essentially a minority as well, but when fronted by a charismatic corrupt leader who promised a return to earlier glory, placed "true believers" in high office and proceeded through fear and violence to purge any opponents. He too, was viewed as "the chosen one" by those he raised up to serve. Consider the following possibility: if Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies or is incapacitated prior to the election date, he won't have to say "go talk to Rudy", he will be absolutely insulated by all the "Trump judges", the Senate of the US (assuming the current class of Republicans retain their advantage) and an adoring 30% of the populace. The populace and Senate have already confirmed their fealty. The judges, in particular, the Supreme Court is still to come to their "time of judgement" and may be the country's last hope. JFK's book "Profiles in Courage" shows that one man (person) can hold the balance of democracy in their hands alone. But many times that person must sway the outcome by convincing others of the greater good for the country vs a personal/political victory. I think we may have reached the point at which there is no one to convince on the " new right" and Trump and his followers are very adept at driving a wedge between the "left" and "centrist" factions thereby deriving a majority by commanding his 30-40% of the population. Many of those persons who consider themselves members of the "right" or conservatives have already left and made clear that Trump followers have deserted their core values. Thoughts, anyone?

Amen, Joe. Many of us will not know what we have lost until it is too late. Professing ourselves wise, we have become fools. When a political party declares its loyalty to a leader and not to the founding principles of the country, both the principles and the country will perish. Our republic currently hangs by a thread and it is on fire. Sometimes a country's future hangs upon one "Profile In Courage". The question is, do we have even a single person willing to provide this courageous act on our behalf or will this truly be the next American revolution. The founders of communism said many years ago that the American capitalist system would destroy itself with its own excesses. I fear we have proven them accurate.

Unfortunately, he who wins the battle does not always win the war. Even though JFK had the long outlook on his actions as President, the opponents to his actions used the simple plan of removing the obstruction ahead of them without fear of consequence each time they were blocked. The victors write history as someone once said. In this case, I think the NAZI use of propaganda was studied, perfected and utilized on the American public to cement the victors aims and goals.

I also did a short search for the "Wade" signatures on the register. What I find is that it appears to be Mr. & Mrs. J Calvin Wade and above that is Mrs. J C Wade. It represents the mother of J. Calvin Wade (top signature) and her son and his wife (second signature). Appears to be completely innocuous. I found short biographical info on "Find A Grave" for both men. Jasper Clifford "J. C." (the father) had run a dairy in Kelsey, TX and died in 1995, aged 90. The son Junior Calvin was an educator and died aged 85 in 2013. So, looks like nothing there with these 2 signatures.

Ron, sorry for butting in. My memory is not as good as it used to be, but are you speaking of the "ambulance in front of the hospital". I was only eight when the assassination happened and the intervening 55 years have clouded my recollections and created some false memories (I think), but I SEEM to remember the hearse in front of the hospital and Jackie, Bobby, etc. going towards the entrance doors as a reporter/newscaster was making comments about the scene. I had meant to relay this info in an earlier thread when this subject came up, but got off topic and forgot about it. I can't be 100% certain I have not been influenced by all the material I have read, viewed and listened to over the years, but the essential memories of the video seem to have been imprinted in my brain enough that I have trouble thinking it is a combination of other peoples memories or the influence of outside information. If that is not the event you were speaking of, I am sorry for taking the posting off topic.

Ron, I was thinking more along the lines of falsification/replacement of the underlying identification such as DNA, fingerprints, etc. I don't think the people coming in contact with the dead body would have any intimate or extensive knowledge of Epstein personally and they would have no reason to doubt the body they received from authorities at the jail.

Is Donald Trump doing to the US what Gorbachev did to the USSR with the aid of Vladimir Putin? Thoughts?

Want to really off the rails into a "conspiracy theory"? Who identified the body? What if it was a "dead ringer" double. The cellmate was removed, the guards got some sleep, the cameras malfunctioned and the real Epstein was whisked away and replaced with the body double. I haven't checked if this idea has made the internet or Youtube yet, but I've been waiting to hear it. After all, with all his money, nothing is out of the question. Right?

Now that AG Barr has expressed his view of the death as "apalling", we just have to wait and see if his investigation is to find out what happened or to usurp other investigations by "nationalizing the search" for purposes of gathering and hiding any evidence tied to high level officials. So far he has not looked exceptionally driven by a pursuit of truth.

Ron the album is still readily available on eBay and a website called Discogs.com for around $4 -$10 depending on condition and seller. I had two until just a while back when I sold them at a yard sale. Just as background and totally off topic: I used to listen to the record now and again, but found that no matter how funny some of the skits were, I became sad as it progressed and I reflected on the loss, so I just stopped playing it. I was only 8 when the assassination occurred, but like most of you here, something about the assassination profoundly affected me and my outlook almost from that date (11/22/1963) onward.

i am by no means an expert on photo interpretation or the effects of camera lenses on the end product, but it would seem logical to me that if the head were enlarged due to the distortion, then all other objects appearing in the same general area should also exhibit the same effect. I see no such variation in the fence boards, 4x4 posts, etc.

Thanks, David. That's the pictures/video I was thinking of. I was drawing a blank on who photographed/filmed it. That's the Nix film isn't it? I knew I had already went down that rabbit hole a long time ago on the JFK Lancer site. I wish I still had the memory you guys have. Now everyone can get back on track with the alteration in the intersection.

Thanks for the reply Chris. I think what you posted is the only possible view of officer D. L. Jackson's motorcycle. It shows only what appears to be the front of the front wheel. However, when looking at individual frames of the Zapruder film in the sequence (range of 153-158), the wheel appearing does not seem to be similar to the adjacent escort motorcycle and nothing more ever appears. In trying to nail this down, I find there does not appear to be a single image from any angle showing officer Jackson or his motorcycle anywhere on Elm St. before, during or after the assassination. I also searched for depositions or interviews with Jackson. I found a few including a HSCA interview/deposition in which he elaborates on his position, but is extremely vague. He mentions "dropping back 5 or 6 feet" when turning onto Elm St., but then follows up by saying that he has just "rounded the corner and is 15 to 20 feet away from the limo when he sees Connally react to a shot and says he STOPPED his motorcycle. He says he looked to the overpass, saw a policeman with his hands on his hips, looked to his right and rear (TSBD area) and saw people "falling to the ground". Very Confusing and conflicting. If you or anyone else thinks this needs more discussion, maybe it should be moved to a new thread. I do not know how to move it, so feel free to do so if you think it is merited. Thank you. See this link for his interview (this is actually page 2): https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9965#relPageId=14&tab=page.

I wanted to thank both Chris and David for your fantastic dedication and extremely in depth study of the photographic record and then I have a slightly off topic question. I have studied the films and pictures for a long time and thought that I remembered seeing at least one photo showing both the motorcycle officers on the right of the President's car as it proceeded down Elm St. I'm sure that I have seen two officers on the right on Houston St. I do remember seeing the turn onto Elm and thinking only one of the motorcycle officers was seen, but thought he was later seen. Now, when I started reading your thread on the wide turn and position "A", I was wondering if maybe this forced the officer to either drop back or drop out of formation as I can no longer find a picture with more than one officer alongside or behind the limousine on the right side. I'm sure one of you guys can confirm this one way or the other.