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VP, is this someone besides Ferry reading a Ferry transcript? I have read that Ferry's voice was higher pitched and even a little screechy? Very surprisingly interesting if this actually was Ferry speaking. Whoever this was speaking, I am impressed at the almost news journalist trained tone, pacing, resonance and intelligently communicated manner. Again, like a TV journalist of top caliber. I could see so-called theater trained Kings English speaking manner Clay Shaw enjoying conversing with the person on the tape you posted. I always figured Ferry was more "Joe Pesci" hyper frantic, manic and squeaky fast talking in his real life as he was portrayed in Stone's film "JFK."

Keeping an eye out for some major media news editor who decides to go rogue.

Exactly. Only act aggressively when certain estabishment threat news starts to get legs.

I love links like the one above. Thanks for posting this MK. I had never listened to the entire LBJ/Richard Russell WC demand beat down tape until now. Russell fought like heck to get out of serving on the Commission, but LBJ finally wore him down through sheer pit-bull like tactics of not letting go. LBJ cursed right at Russell many times in his bullying effort. GD this and GD that. He also played the American duty guilt card several times. 40 million Americans could die Dick! We can't have Khrushchev blamed for this! So, several members of the committee hated each other, didn't trust each other, spied on each other ( FBI informants like Ford ), hated JFK ... now that's what you call a well chosen, highest integrity mutual JFK concern background fitting team eh? It seems clear that LBJ made sure everyone on the list was someone that he and Hoover had sway over. And whose background interest aligned with their own. Dulles and McCloy, CIA and massive banking control. Nazi dirty hands. LBJ was always a big CIA promoter. Notice LBJ reminded Russell that he was head of the Senate CIA intelligence committee? Why did Russell hate Earl Warren so much? Was it Warren's more liberal stances on race and segregation? LBJ told Russell he could serve with anyone if need be, including a "negro." Russell said something back referencing LBJ's order using a word that was either "Nigre" or "Ni**er." Who the heck was the fellow sitting with LBJ during this entire call? A.W. Morrison? He spoke and sounded like another "good ole boy" type. Russell knew him well it seemed. What we have learned in the last 75 years was how much more our government worked with and even compromised themselves with the most heinous mass murder perpetrating Nazis before, during and after WW II. To degrees that we now look upon as appalling. In all out war compromises have to be made. Often ones that are kept secret from the general citizenry for tactical reasons. Yet, how far should you "deal with the Devil" in doing so? If we did so more for corporate wealth reasons than anything else, what a shame. Our corporate wealth interest based system played both sides it seemed. Their greatest fear was the Soviets and communism? Maybe Hitler could take them out? Let him do his thing and rid us of our greatest threat? Hitler took out 10% of Russia's population. 8 to 10 million Jews as well? Hey, protect and put to use Hitler's most notorious killer intelligence fiends if it will help us keep the bigger threat in check? Also, give the great American damage causing Mafia a free pass for awhile too. They'll watch the docks for any outside infiltration. And they hate communists as much as we do. Send them into Italy to do their thing. It all really is a "Devil's Chessboard" as David Talbot wrote about. But these devil pacts backfire in too many ways. When top American intelligence operatives start siding more with the Mafia than their own president, things aren't good. William King Harvey thought Mafioso Johnny Roselli was a true patriot...and the Kennedy's all ( JFK, Jackie and RFK ) were "scum." Now that's bad.

Wow. Lots of interesting bio facts. Highest power player. He and JFK hater Dulles being appointed to the Warren Commission just never made sense in so many ways.

I didn't know much regards this area of our history. As I have learned in the last ten years regards the tormented Jews in Europe and our reluctance to commit more in saving them, I feel it was a great injustice on our part. Did we really turn away a passenger liner full of Jewish persecution victims seeking refuge here? If so...that is an outrage. In the well known telephone call between LBJ and Hoover where LBJ runs the names of the suggested Warren Commission members by Hoover and Hoover rubber stamps them ( especially Gerald Ford ) who picked out these men and presented the list to LBJ? I'd have surely liked to have asked that person to explain why he would include a JFK hater like Dulles, a Dulles compatriot like McCloy, an FBI informant like Ford, and all the rest. Warren didn't want the job...so why force him to be on it let alone name it after him? Russell didn't want to be on it. LBJ to Russell - Well you're going to damn well serve on it. Just the choice of chosen members alone made the WC suspect in so many ways.

When asked by a committee panel member if he was aware of people being murdered in the secrecy protecting effort whistleblower David Grusch responded..."yes."

Almost all our national media and those who own and control it have purposely avoided reporting the full corrupt truth about LBJ. For 60 years! I don't think this black hole regards the real LBJ is mostly due to the wily LBJ covering his tracks. Th media and those that own it are to blame. LBJ and his family always had some serious damage control forces who very aggressively went after anyone who started to say or report the full truth about him. Jack Valenti being a king pin in this area. Look what LBJ's family and Valenti and so many other high authority LBJ covering figures did to the "Men Who Killed Kennedy" series producers. They crushed Nigel Turner. And what LBJ's family did to LBJ's son Steven from his mistress Madeline Brown was a crime imo.

This Mimi Alford story has been milked for years. Keeps popping up on national news sites. They even had her on one of the big national TV shows years ago? Was it 60 minutes? Not sure, but someone in the national media gave her, her story and her book enormous coverage. But why? What's the point? If we really want to know some of the most sordid, sleazy and even illegal stuff about past presidents...LBJ is the prize by a mile.

JFK's Reported Mistress Revealed Which One of His Team Members Allegedly Set Up His Affairs Story by Delilah Gray •2h JFK's Reported Mistress Revealed Which One of His Team Members Allegedly Set Up His Affairs© Provided by SheKnows Whether you’re British royalty like King Charles III, or our version of American royalty, controversy is always rearing its ugly head. And here’s the thing: quite a few of the US Presidents have been caught in some shocking affairs. The most well-known US President to find himself in an affair (besides former US President Donald Trump) is John F. Kennedy. Marilyn Monroe wasn’t the only alleged affair he had during his time as President. In fact, one of his alleged mistresses claims that he even had someone on staff to help facilitate these dalliances. In a retrospective on Kennedy’s alleged mistresses from People in 2022, they mentioned one named Mimi Alford. For those that don’t know, Alford was an intern at the White House from 1962 and 1963, where she alleged that she had an 18-month-long affair with Kennedy. Not only that, but she alleged in her 2012 Memoir entitled Once Upon a Secret: My Affair With John F. Kennedy and Its Aftermath that Kennedy’s Special Assistant named Dave Powers, was the “procurer” of women Kennedy could have an affair with. So, who is Powers? As previously stated, he was an assistant and good friend to Kennedy, who would later work as a Museum Curator at the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum until 1994. And in case you’re wondering, Alford isn’t the only woman who alleged that Powers helped facilitate the affairs. Judith Campbell Exner wrote in her 1977 memoir entitled Judith Exner: My Story that Powers allegedly assisted in setting up her affair with Kennedy. Here we go again! Extremely negative image perception stories regards JFK. Popping up just months before the 60th JFKA anniversary which should get more national media coverage than most years. Planted into the societal consciousness via the media to counter the expected "Camelot" reverence ones. The 50th anniversary drew a record amount of these. Almost always specifically sordid ones highlighting JFK's alleged innumerable sexual trysts and infidelities, which paint JFK as an out-of-control sex addict to a degree of perverted amorality. In the case of Mimi Alford even more so as she says JFK sexually seduced her starting at the age of 18! And continued using her as a sex toy for 18 months! Why that rotten JFK! Embarrassingly playing poor Jackie for a fool! One supposes Alford's publisher/publicist feels big JFKA anniversaries are the perfect time to hype her book on the national media and increase renewed sales. Yet, this MO of releasing negative JFK stories into the national media right before JFKA anniversaries has been in play for a long time and involves many other sources besides Mimi Alford. If only we had a similar effort in regards to baring LBJ's and J. Edgar Hoover's most lurid true life sexual deviances.

Major media entities stopped doing national JFKA polls years ago but with the 60th anniversary coming up this November 22nd, I would think someone might try a new one. Do you believe the official government finding that JFK was killed by a lone gunman and there was no conspiracy involved? It would not surprise me if the most common response would not be a yes or no...but rather a "I don't know." After 3 generations and massive immigration population growth...the majority of Americans are simply too removed from the historical event now to have an opinion...or even care about the truth mission. IMO anyways.

My assessment is that the American people really never understood how much the FBI controlled the WC and their investigation. I remember listening to a radio interview of Dallas FBI agent James Hosty years ago where he was promoting his newly published book "Assignment Oswald." At one point he just casually remarked that we ( the FBI ) had three of them." What? You had 3 of them? Meaning 3 members of the Commission were reporting to them and one assumes keeping the FBI informed of the inner workings and whatever else was needed to keep their control. So much for an independent, impartial with no outside influence panel. The interviewer either purposely or stupidly immediately changed the subject without asking the big question of Hosty ... who were the three members? I slammed my hand down at that one. Hosty laughed when he was asked years after his WC testimony why he didn't tell the Commission about his Boss "Gordon Shanklin " ordering him to destroy Oswald's file right after Oswald was shot and killed. Hosty chuckled and smugly muttered "they didn't ask!" They didn't ask? Why you boob! Could you imagine the uproar if Hosty had kept his testimony oath to ..."tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth - so help me God" and told the Commission of his and his employer destroying mind blowing important evidence like that? Hosty's loyalty to his employer and his pension overruled his oath to the American people and the only chance for them to know the whole truth about the JFKA. The New Orleans FBI and Regis Kennedy were derailing Jim Garrison's investigation into Oswald and Bannister and Ferrie and Shaw in so many ways. So much for the FBI's integrity in that theater. To this day 60 years later it is still outrageously preposterous to consider LBJ and Hoover coming up with such a laughably compromised panel for the WC. JFK hater Allen Dulles. Dulles loyalist and eastern establishment banker John McCloy. Tired and intimidated Earl Warren. Hoover loyalist and lead FBI informant man Gerald Ford. Three Southern state reps. No true JFK loyalists at all. 1:29NOW PLAYING LBJ Speaks on a conspiracy in JFK Murder

Incredible movie star good looks and physique. Got the best from both parents. Always wondered what drew him to Carolyn Bissette? Or flying in small planes?

Sounds like such a mundane summation statement after all the dramatic build up Mailer injected into his Oswald study. Interviewing former KGB, Russian friends of Oswald's and Marina. Borrowing from Priscilla McMillan? And the final word is simply...Oswald did it all by himself? Nothing to Oswald's activities and associations in New Orleans, Clinton, Mexico City etc.?

Kennedy was much easier to impersonate than LBJ. Let me just shay this about Lyndon and myshelf regards the public wanting to know about Jackie. "Nobody wonders what Lyndon and I ware."

For a confused, desperate esteem starved nobody Oswald sure garnered a lot Priscilla Johnson McMillan's attention and time, starting just days after he arrived in Russia and continuing after the JFKA. Her deep immersion into Marina's life on a personal level after the JFKA also seemed overly done. She became Marina's number one confidant/advisor ( for how long? ) and vulnerable Marina seemed to fall under PM's "Carol Channing" type charming controller spell. PM is a suspiciously intriguing thread throughout the entire Oswald/Marina story line. For years! From Oswald's arrival in Russia to writing managing Marina's book and getting it published.

Would have liked to have seen Mailer do an equivalent study tome on LBJ and/or J. Edgar Hoover. Or Allan Dulles? Or a historical study of and reflection on the C.I.A.? Haven't read "Oswald's Tale." I know I should. Curious about Mailer's take on Sylvia Odio's own "Oswald's Tale." Did he simply think her tale was a case of mistaken identity? Manipulated or not by others including Leopoldo? Or perhaps mostly a figment of her own mental affliction case of hysterical anxiety imagination? If Mailer could have personally met and interacted with the exotic white Spanish beauty Sylvia Odio one figures he would have put the make on her... legendary lothario as he was. Also George De Mohrenschildt? Now GDM was a man whose life story would have made for a rich aristocratic study meal for Mailer imo. Oswald's was the sad and barren opposite.

Based on no response to my earlier post asking if anyone here has ever read anything about Craig's early life as a child through his teen years, I assume Craig just never shared his story. Yet, it always intrigues me when you hear of a 12 year old hitting the road on his or her own and how they survived doing so until they became young adults. Things must have been rough enough for Craig to risk leaving on his own at 12 and never look back. Often when you hear such true-life stories these children flee because of extreme abuse and neglect. A desperate act for sure. Heck, even Lee Oswald didn't hit the road by himself at that age. And he had reason to. Life with his monster mother sounded like a burden no one would want to bear. I would have left home at 12 if the only parent I had was like her. Part of my contemplations regards Craig lead to wondering about his emotional state before and after the JFKA. And how this may or may not explain some of his motivation to become a Paladin justice fighter with great personal risk. Wonder if Craig's daughter knew anything about her father's childhood and mind blowing road hitting at 12.

What was the job in NO Garrison helped secure for Craig? From everything I have learned about New Orleans in my life...it's really the dregs. I have had friends and family who have visited there say they couldn't wait to get out of there. A generally dirty city. High crime. Depressing actually. Couldn't compare to better cities in Texas. Could be one of the reasons Craig didn't want to stay there no matter the job.

No contest in that department. Here is what we know about the call: It did come in. Telephone operator supervisor Phyllis Bartlett unequivocally verified this. It came in while Dr. Shires, Crenshaw and other trauma doctors were working on Oswald. Someone was notified about the call. What happened after that point? We know what Crenshaw claimed. Much of Crenshaw's book account was verified by Bartlett and even intern and future brain surgeon Phil Williams. We know there was at least one FBI agent positioned "outside" of the OR. Reportedly inside as well. So, other men besides medical personnel were there. Two doctors took photos of Oswald while he was being operated on. Paul Peters for one. Both had their camera's taken by agents in the room. The cameras were returned, however the films were not. Discreditors cite that Crenshaw was only an assisting first or second year resident. His role minimal. They say Dr. Shires ( the main surgeon ) stated Crenshaw never told him about the call. Gary Mack cited the lack of White House records of any outside call by LBJ at the time and gave a general overview of LBJ's movements during the call time. The possibility of LBJ making any call during that time was impossible due to the official records according to Mack and McAdams and others. The voice on the call was an impersonator of LBJ. The call was a prank. The caller's knowledge and mention of a non-medical person in the OR was just some lucky guess? Has there ever been any revelation of Crenshaw, Bartlett, brain surgeon Phil Williams exhibiting any behavior in their lives that showed them to be tellers of tall tales? Dallas FBI head Gordon Shanklin himself stated he sent agents to Parkland and the OR while Oswald was being operated on there. He wanted to be sure at least one of his men were around to hear Oswald say anything regards his role in the JFKA. During a 9/24/2013 interview with both Parkland Drs. Robert McClelland and Ronald Jones for the Sixth Floor Museum, Jones acknowledged Dr. Phillip Williams as being in the audience, and later when the host asked about Crenshaw’s story of the phone call, McClelland said “The doctor sitting right there in front of me, I think, has some knowledge of that, don't you? Yeah. So I think that phone call which came from the White House apparently did come through”... “All I know is circumstantial, I know nothing directly about what I was told, and what I was told, and again, by my good friend sitting here in front of me, who was sitting there in the nurse's station listening to the phone, that someone called from the White House as Lee Harvey Oswald was on the table wanting to find out what condition he was in. That's all just hearsay really from me, but I think that probably did occur”

Was Dr. Shires alive when Crenshaw's book came out? If so, did he make public statements firmly denying Crenshaw ever said to him what Crenshaw said he said to him? I would like to see or hear a first hand account of him doing so. Crenshaw's book came out in 1992. Dr. Shires passed away in 2007.

Agree.

A majority of CTers don't believe the Crenshaw call claim? How did one measure that equation? Was a poll taken nationwide? I would more believe that most anyone interested in the JFKA just never gave the story much thought ( not a lot to study ) versus taking a firm stance on it's credibility or lack thereof. And McAdams would of course be a Crenshaw debunker and a source of misinformation. Phyliss Bartlett didn't record any government calls in her report? Still, here is her quote: "There very definitely was a phone call from a man with a loud voice who identified himself as Lyndon Johnson, and he was connected to the operating room phone during Oswald's surgery." Someone impersonating LBJ's voice? Ha! Ridiculous. They would have had to know exactly what was going on at the hospital minute by minute when they made the call. That Oswald was alive and that he was having emergency surgery, etc. Impersonating LBJ would be one thing ( the best professional to do this was David Frye ) but an amateur? And to be so good as to speak in a "booming" voice as well? YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pwu6emnZfo DAVID FRYE (as Lyndon Johnson) - 1966 - Standup … 0:39 WebMar 24, 2018 · DAVID FRYE (as Lyndon Johnson) - 1966 - Standup Comedy. Again, those few detractors with standing were not even there. And reputable brain surgeon Philip E. Williams backs Crenshaw's story as he was right there pumping blood into Oswald's leg as an intern? Now that's credible recollection testimony imo. And does anyone here really think LBJ didn't have the ability to make an off the record call if he wanted to? Or the White House call records could never have been manipulated? Please. Of course LBJ wouldn't want a call like that to be on the record. EVERYTHING was on the line with Oswald living or dying or perhaps saying something explosive regards his part in the JFKA. LBJ was probably on the edge of his seat worrying about such a scenario, especially when Ruby's attempt to silence Oswald wasn't totally successful at that point. My guess is LBJ was so concerned about Oswald's condition, he didn't want to hear about it through any middle men. He needed to know it straight from Oswald's surgery doctor. And I could see ( because of the situations dire importance ) dispatching a man of highest secret covert ability and standing right there in the surgery room to make sure the worst possible scenario did not happen. Hence the Oliver Hardy look-alike man in surgery gown in the back of the room? After everything we know after 60 years. The massive corruption in every area of power in our country. The massive corruption of LBJ. The anti-JFK bond between LBJ/Hoover and LBJ/Dulles. I say one is forced to doubt any debunking reporting emanating from most of the MSM which those corrupt groups mostly controlled regards true in-depth JFKA research and investigation on their part. Crenshaw was truthful in my opinion.

Vince, your thoughts?

Has anyone ever heard or read anything about Craig's early childhood, anything about why he left home and hit the road at 12 years old? And how he survived doing that and throughout the next 5 years? Wonder what his daughter knows about it all?