John Butler

These two frames sure look like they were taken across the grass from Main Street. But, when you access a map of the area then you will see that it is possible for Bell to jump down from his perch and move forward towards the grass, but still stay within the structure. His location in the structure would keep him from being seen in the Bronson film. He might be one of the indistinct folks seem at the extreme left (photo right) center of the film frame. I still have a hard time seeing this angle, but will take your word as correct. This is a Skaggs photo. Bell is shown in a white shirt and a man standing near him has on a dark suit. In the Bronson frame we might see a man in a dark suit and someone in a white shirt. Could be Bell. It's fairly rough. But, there are two or more people there. One could be the dark suit guy as seen in Skaggs. Probably Bell had the same idea as him or vice versa. It's too rough to say for sure, but is it suggestive.

Mark, FWIW, if you watch the Robert Hughes film you will see that there are plenty of Dallas Policemen directing traffic near the intersection of Main and Houston. I would say the Pilot Car arrived at the intersection when traffic was still moving there. And, by the time the motorbikes arrived traffic had been stopped and cleared in that area. Muchmore shows a person walking across the intersection before the motocade arrives there. We don't see the 3 Advance Motorcycles there. What is seen is the 5 Lead Motorcycles. They take the turn in an approved procedural fashion with 3 motobikes first followed by two motorbikes.

The USS Skagit has a very interesting history. I have speculated that Harvey Oswald left Taiwan by plane for Japan on Oct. 5., 1958. The information that is provided by Jim Hargrove says that the USS Skagit left for Subic Bay in the Philippines on Oct. 5, 1958. This strengthens my speculation somewhat. However, there could have been other Naval transport available, but the time interval suggests air travel. Supposedly, Harvey reaches Iwakuni, Japan by Oct. 6, 1958. That is 400 miles from Lee Oswald at Atsugi, Japan and I believe 1500 miles from Taiwan. Harvey Oswald was never at the secret military base Atsugi, Japan. There is no record that he was. He was not there at Iwakuni very long. Depending how he went back to the US , he could have stayed at Iwakuni, Japan for a little over a week. It is about a 2 week trip from Japan to the US by Naval transport. This raises the question why was he sent there? Why was he there for a short period of time? The time period could be just a little over a week to about 3 / 4 quarters of a month depending on travel time. Was meeting the "round-eyed" girl at Iwakuni more important than most people think? If Harvey left Iwakuni, Japan at the end of the month of October, 1958, an air trip would have taken about 10 hours to cover the distance between Iwakuni, Japan and San Francisco, CA. By air the shortest route is over 5,000 miles long. Harvey is in California on October 29, 1958. Lee Oswald is still in Japan at this point in time. It is one of many "smoking gun" issues of Harvey and Lee's saga. A big one.

Thanks again for replying Mr. Parnell, I am not sure "Further discussion on this subject is pointless." But, you are right there's not much more to say. I brought this up because I found what I thought there was a confusing and ambiguous reference to the rank of Lee Oswald in the fall of 1956. I am not arguing that the Harvey and Lee folks are wrong, far from it. What I am saying is that particular bit of info needs clarifying. The information about Landesberg and Oswald at Camp LeJeune in the summer of 1956 might help clear that up.

I had a look at the new timeline. It doesn't seem much different from the old. There are a few more details, but Lee Oswald at Atsugi, Japan is still ignored. Physical evidence, real documentation, shows that Harvey is on the USS Skagit, in Taiwan, and at Iwakuni, Japan at the same times that Lee Oswald is at Atsugi, Japan. Jim Hargrove has posted that material several times which you One Oswald folks ignore.

The Invisible Ping Tung Teenager and his visible alter ego the Atsugi Kid. Or, sometimes it’s the other way around. Jim Hargrove wrote in his recent thread, “One Oswald departed for Taiwan aboard the USS Skagit on Sept. 14, 1958 and was stationed in Ping Tung, Taiwan on Oct. 6, 1958, at the very same time the other Oswald was being treated for venereal disease at Atsugi, Japan, nearly 1500 miles away.” Actually, Lee Oswald had a urine track infection misdiagnosed as a VD. This was a common occurrence with that particular virus found around US military installations in both Korea and Japan. It was treatable only with sulfa drugs such as Pyridium and another, Furadantin. In the mid-1960s in Korea, the first thing you were told by the medical people on arrival is “Do Not Drink The Water” and “Do Not Eat the Food”, locally. You will regret it. And that aside, aside, let’s return to the Invisible Ping Tung Teenager. Either Harvey Oswsald is visible or invisible depending on the author supporting what I will call the One Oswald Theory. I will use W. Tracy Parnell’s Oswald timeline and Jack R. Swike’s book The Missing Chapter: Lee Harvey Oswald In The Far East. W. Tracy Parnell shows Oswald’s service in Taiwan as such in Interactive Timeline of the Life of Lee Harvey Oswald: "September 14, 1958: LHO and his unit sail for the South China Sea. September, 1958: LHO's unit arrives in Taiwan, where he suffers a nervous breakdown and is sent back to Japan. October 5, 1958: LHO arrives in Atsugi.” This is a fine example of how the One Oswald Theory works. Simply ignore what is going on elsewhere. If you put an Oswald in Taiwan then ignore the one at Atsugi. The October 5, 1958 example changes Iwakuni to Atsugi. Just change what you need to change. Harvey Oswald was assigned to another Marine Japanese base, Iwakuni, for a short period of time after he left Ping Tung, Taiwan. Parnell ignores this entirely. On the other hand Jack R. Swike does the opposite in his One Oswald theory. He denies there was an Oswald at Taiwan or later at Iwakuni. He ignores any information not related to Lee Oswald at Atsugi, Japan. You can work the One Oswald Theory either way. The important thing is to ignore information else where on a different Oswald.

No problem Mark, It is my impression that the first car of the motorcade turned off on Market Street you can see the car broadside in the turn. The white Pilot car is see earlier in the film further down Main. I believe, if my memory is correct, that the white Pilot Car is seen in the Muchmore film turning onto Main St. later. As far as I know that particular car is seen only in those films. And, from Muchmore:

Hmmm? Let's see. You can't rely on witnesses. Don't they put people in jail or on death row based on witness statements? Should I rely on the FBI for the correct story under the Hoover administration? The FBI straightened out the Jim Rizzuto / Stephen H. Landesburg story. Or, did they? Down in Dallas there was a lot of witness statement adjustment. I refer you to Bonnie Ray Williams as a prime example. Why wouldn't they do the same in New York with information they didn't like. Why not treat Jim Rizzuto as a kook and toss him out on his ear? They panicked and thought they had to do something? There are still problems with Stephen R. Landesberg. Stephen R. Landesberg, the man of mystery and strange behavior. There is no information on his life from 1954 to 1969. This is from a W. Tracy Parnell article: “There is no record of where Stephen Richard Landesberg graduated from high school, if he served in the military, or if he attended college. In fact, there is no biographical record to establish where he was or what he was doing from 1954 (high school graduation) until 1969 (working at The Improvisation in New York City). Not a single biography of Landesberg, and I have reviewed many, lists his year of birth correctly. In nearly all cases his birth year is missing and in some cases his birthday is listed as Nov 3 instead of Nov 23. One biography lists his year of birth as 1945, another as 1944, another as 1940 and so on. One biography says "Landesberg grew up in the Bronx where he was born some thirty or so years ago, and after a period of odd jobs following his graduation from high school, entered show business via an open audition for the Tonight Show." This and other biographies avoid any reference to fifteen years of Landesberg's life-from 1954-1969.” And from Harvey and Lee, “Two researchers, including myself and Jack White of Ft. Worth, Texas, received a curt telephone call from a Mr. Tom Walker, who gave his address as PO Box 552, Bronx, New York 10475. Mr. Walker introduced himself as "the head of security for Mr. Landesberg" and ordered us to stop investigating Landesberg. Walker threatened Jack White and myself and warned us not to publish any information about Steve Landesberg "or else." And from W. Tracy Parnell, “· Armstrong employed a Private Investigator to search for "any and all" Landesbergs in the United States. [47] · He traveled to the US District Courthouse in New York in an attempt to find the court records of Stephen H. Landesberg. [48] · He accumulated other records on the actor Landesberg such as birth records and real estate information.” If John Armstrong hired a private investigator, then why is there no more information available then that mentioned above. There should be information on family, school records, military records, and any other public records for the years 1954-1969. There is a 15 year period in which there is no information on Stephen R. Landesberg. He becomes invisible after he graduates High School. And, what High School is that? It is said he worked a lot at hotels in various places. Any record of that? Wikipedia only has his parents and birth information and nothing else for information on the early life of Stephen R. Landesberg. Stephen R. Landesberg was reticent about supplying information about himself. He did say to Dallas reporter Ed Golz that he wished he had not gotten mixed up with Oswald. There is still a vacuum of information in the years 1954-1969. And, that is not natural. Why?

I'm working on a timeline of the Oswalds military service. And, I recently bought Dick Russell's The Man Who Knew To Much, just to see what he said about Nagel and Oswald at Atsugi, Japan. Just skimming through the rest of the book it looked like Russell had his hands full dealing the lying personality that fits working for the CIA. Nagel was always holding something back or hinting he knew more. Maybe, he was stringing Russell along. But, Dick Russell makes a creditable case anyway.

Mr. Parnell, Thank for your reply and information. That is appreciated. What you have stated has weakened my argument, but it has not totally destroyed it. When Stephen H. Landesberg was dismissed from the service and psychiatric care he must have been competent enough to be released. He must have had lucid moments between 1960 and 1963. How do we determine when he was lucid and when he was schizophrenic? He was competent enough to try and hide his identity when he began talking about Oswald directly after the assassination. He obviously feared the consequences of his actions enough to assume an alias. Let's see if I can weaken the argument some more: Here is the Rizzuto statement form Harvey and Lee site in comparison to other statements on the Harvey and Lee site. “Jim Rizzuto (Steven H. Landesberg, the student) said that he met Steve L'eandes (Steven R. Landesberg, the actor) and Lee Oswald in the Marine Corps at Camp Lejune in the summer of 1956.” And, from Harvey and Lee: “I met Frank at the Tujague office in the Sanlin Building in 1995, the same address and the same office where LEE Oswald worked from June, 1955 thru August, 1956.” “Frank told me, like he told the HSCA, that Oswald (LEE) worked with him "a year, maybe longer." I asked Frank if he remembered when Oswald quit working and he said, "when he quit it was hot. And he quit to join the Marines." which means that LEE Oswald worked at Tujague's a little over a year, from early summer, 1955, until the end of summer in 1956.” “In 1995 Tujague secretary Gloria Callaghan was still working for the company. She remembered that LEE Oswald was still working at Tujague's when she went on maternity leave in March, 1956.” From this we can gather that Lee Oswald couldn't have entered the Marine Corps until late summer, possibly in July or the beginning of August. There is not enough time for Lee Oswald to become a PFC / E2 by the fall of 1956 by Marine Corps guidelines for promotion. Lee Oswald at Camp LeJeune in the summer of 1956 means he had to do Marine basic training for 12 weeks somewhere else, either Parrish Island or San Diego. The earliest he could go into the Marine Corps, according to the Stephen H. Landesberg statement would be May or Early June. This contradicts with what witnesses at Tujaques said about employment. If you accept the March, 1959 exit of the service for Lee Oswald, he may have gotten an early out of up to 90 days to go to school in Switzerland. That would put him entering the service in about June, 1956 or earlier. Below are average temperatures for New Orleans for the Spring and Summer months listed. By May you could claim hot weather had arrived. Frank says when Oswald quit to join the Marines it was hot. That could be in the April to June period. New Orleans Weather Month Avg High Temp Avg Low Temp April 78° F 59° F May 85° F 66° F June 89° F 71° F July 91° F 73° F Like anything else about the Oswald / assassination events you will almost always find something controversial. Although these things weaken the argument considerably, I don't think anything here destroys it completely. There should be some way to reconcile these factoids.

Mr. Parnell, Since you reposted what Bojzcuk said, I thought it would be ok. However, If I have offended please forgive.

Thanks for replying Mr. Parnell, You say "Stephen Landesberg (the student) was unfortunately and demonstrably mentally ill." Is there any proof of this mental instability? As I understand it the FBI eventually dropped charges against Stephen Landesberg (the student). And, I believe, I could be wrong, he was released after his 10 day evaluation. What information or medical evidence is available saying the student Landesberg was mentally ill. I would research it myself except that Google in recent times never returns related information to what I am looking for in a search. Is there a record for a Marine Corps discharge listing mental instability as the cause for the discharge of Steven H. Landesberg? There is "weird" and "bizarre" behavior mentioned, but nothing saying he was discharged after 8 months for mental illness. IMO, if he was mentally ill that would have been caught during the first day of induction by the medical people. IMO, the FBI and their request for psychiatric evaluation were acting similar to the Soviets in thinking people who disagree with them are mentally ill. Maybe the FBI should have sent him to Nome, Alaska to become an agriculture worker.

It looks like Bojczuk is returning to his old name calling, hate filled habits. The correct phrase is de mortuis nil nisi bonum And, the translation is: Definition of de mortuis nil nisi bonum : of the dead, (say) nothing but good "W. Tracy Parnell Super Member Members 1,440 posts Gender:Male Report post Posted 11 minutes ago

Jim Rizzuto (Steven H. Landesberg, the student) said that he met Steve L'eandes (Steven R. Landesberg, the actor) and Lee Oswald in the Marine Corps at Camp Lejune in the summer of 1956. I believe this statement by Rizzuto has a more than likely chance to be true based on FBI performance. So, the statement above allows me to conclude with other information from the Harvey and Lee site (Lee Oswald’s PFC rank in the fall of 1956) that Harvey and Lee entered military service at different times and left the service at different times. To me this clears up the problem of Lee and Harvey leaving the Marine Corps at different times. They joined at different times. Lee Oswald at age 16 and Harvey at age 17. Lee Oswald: About March, 1956 to March, 1959. Harvey Oswald: October 24, 1956 to September 11, 1959. I have been working at a timeline of the two Oswald’s military career. My problem at this point is the bolded type information above strong enough to put into a timeline. Because I believe it to be legitimate, that doesn’t necessarily mean it is so. Your opinion would be appreciated.

Jim Hargrove says: "The most shameful thing you and Mr. Parker are doing is to besmirch the name and memory of the late, great Jack White, in my opinion the most important researcher who ever graced the pages of this forum. Shame on you both!" I would like to repeat this oh, about 100 or 200 times. Jack White is one of my heroes in the Kennedy assassination research field. I just wish I had gotten into this area earlier and could have corresponded with Jack White. I would have loved to get my hands on his original photo material. I would like to think I could point out a thing or two to him, but probably not. A truly great man.

I didn't say Pyschologists do that. I would say its just fantasy thinking on their part. As far as Steve Landesberg and Lee Oswald go, I don't have a great deal invested in that. I just find it co-winky-dinky, as the Scrubs nurse would say, that there would be any resemblance at all between Steve Landesberg and Lee Oswald. My main point was that Steven H. Landesberg (student) said he was a Camp LeJeune, NC with Lee Oswald and Stephen R. Landesberg (actor) in the summer of 1956. That is the point of the Landesberg/Oswald info to bring out the background of that piece of information. I believe that what this Landesberg (student) character said must have had some validity for the FBI to over react and immediately lock that fellow up for a psych exam. So, I am giving it a more than likely chance that it is correct. If it is correct it explains an ambiguity I believe is on the Harvey and Lee site concerning the rank of Lee Oswald in the fall of 1956. That's all. Not a big plot to accomplish anything.

There is way to many straight forward facts that Jim Hargrove and Sandy Larsen keep pointing out to believe anything like "Scientific evidence proved that Armstrong's theory was wrong." I am not interested in any "scientific evidence" provided by these folks. It is hard to read their so-called proofs. I haven't seen anything that would change my mind about the dental evidence provided by Sandy Larsen and Jim Hargrove. I have seen anything that would change my mind about Lee Oswald being at Atsugi, Japan while Harvey Oswald was at Ping Tung, Taiwan at the same time. I just list two things here, but could go on and on. Read Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong for the full details. I highly recommend it.

Denny, Essentially, are you asking are psychological twin studies in any way related to the Kennedy assassination? I wouldn't think so. Your right. The "crazed lone presidential assassin" and the "supporting actor" are not related. There was no "crazed lone presidential assassin". That is a fiction made up by the government and imposed on the American public.

Denny, Psychologists, etc. have always been whacko about twins, triplets, and so on. The impression I got years ago when reading Psychology texts was that those folks slaver over and lust after the notion of separating twins, etc. and then tracking their behavior through time. In my opinion it really doesn't apply to Harvey and Lee. Harvey and Lee involves a government conspiracy to use young men of similar appearance to create a double spy/defector/infiltrator for their purposes. This short piece I wrote is all about me perceiving what I consider to be an ambiguity in the military ranks of Lee Oswald and Harvey Oswald and the time they spent in service. I offered this piece to help clarify what I think is confusing. The Harvey and Lee folks have noting to do with it. And, may not support it which is fine. Psychological twin studies are something different. Wikipedia summarizes fairly well. "Three Identical Strangers is a 2018 documentary film directed by Tim Wardle and starring Edward Galland, David Kellman and Robert Shafran. It examines a set of American triplets, born in 1961 and adopted as six-month-old infants by separate families, unaware that each child had brothers. The separations were done as part of an undisclosed scientific "nature versus nurture" twin study, to track the development of genetically identical siblings raised in differing circumstances. Combining archival footage, re-enacted scenes, and present-day interviews, the documentary reveals how the brothers discovered one another at age 19 and thereafter sought to understand the circumstances of their separation."

On the Harvey and Lee site under the heading Marine Corps and Soviet Union we find this bit of information: “In the fall of 1956, while HARVEY Oswald and Allen Felde were stationed at San Diego, LEE Oswald was at the Marine Corps Air Facility at El Toro, CA, 10 miles south of Camp Pendleton. It was in El Toro that Sergeant Wallace Ransberger first met Private First Class LEE Oswald, and a year later associated with him at Atsugi, Japan. Ransberger and LEE Oswald were assigned to the same unit and their duties were to furnish repair parts for vehicles and generators. In early 1957 Sergeant Donald Goodwin was assigned to Camp Pendleton and supervised a group of 20 men in the 5th Marine division, one of whom was radio communicator LEE Oswald, Private 1st class.” The underlined statements have to do with Lee Oswald’s rank of PFC in the Fall of 1956. And, a short time later in early 1957. From other sources comes this info: “May 1, 1957: Harvey Oswald is promoted to Private 1st Class.” And, one last important piece of information from Harvey and Lee: “In the spring of 1959 Major William P Gorsky was the Assistant Provost Marshall at the Marine Corps Air Station at El Toro. According to Gorsky's files LEE Oswald had been arrested for hitch hiking and was discharged from the marines in March, 1959. Once again the FBI and Warren Commission avoided this problem by simply failing to conduct a proper investigation and failing to obtain Oswald's discharge papers from Major Gorsky. Their refusal to investigate LEE Oswald in El Toro, or interview Marines who knew him, is another very important "smoking gun." And, “After LEE Oswald was discharged (March, 1959) he stayed away from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, but was seen in several locations including Coral Gables, Key West, New Orleans, and Cuba.” The above information leads one into confusion about Lee Oswald. Harvey Oswald left the Marine Corps in September, 1959 after 3 years of service. Lee Oswald left the service in March, 1959. How long did he serve and when did he enter the service? The following is more information on the Marine Corps that we need to clear up this confusion at Harvey and Lee on Oswald military service, at least for me: A general enlistment term in the Marine Corps in the late 1950s was for 3 years. A person could leave the Marine Corps early for a variety of reasons. Most legitimate reasons generally took the form of a hardship out for a sick parent or an early out to attend a school. Marine Corps boot camp training is held at only two places, the Marine Corps Recruit Training Depot at Parris Island SC, and the Marine Corps Recruit Training Depot at San Diego, CA. And, boot camp training is held nowhere else. Marine Corps boot camp training is for 12 weeks. An enlisted man (not and officer) in the Marine Corps usually went through the pay grades / ranks steps E1 through E9. E1 is a Private (PVT) and E2 in a Private First Class (PFC). These are the ranks held by Harvey and Lee Oswald from time to time. According to the Marine Corps an enlisted man most have served 6 months before he was eligible to move to the next higher rank. Harvey Oswald moved to the next higher rank PFC in 8 months in May, 1957. We have a big question here. How did Lee Oswald get to be a PFC in the Fall of 1956 when it took Harvey 8 months to make it in May, 1957? The answer is that Lee lied and joined when he was 16, and he was helped into the service by others. Sometime earlier in 1955 he attempted to join the service at age 16 and was caught at it. This leads to why was it important to place, allow, or push two young teenagers into the military in 1956 and 1957? The events described above about the dates of the Oswalds military service can be reconciled if we consider Jim Rizzuto, Steven H. Landesberg (student), to be creditable. I believe he is creditable because of what the FBI immediately did to a citizen with uncomfortable, important information about the Kennedy assassination. When he said he knew Steve L’eandes, Steve R. Landesberg (actor), and Lee Harvey Oswald at Camp LeJeune, NC in the summer of 1956, he was saying Lee Harvey Oswald had already completed boot camp training (12 weeks) at one of the main Marine Corps facilities, Parris Island or San Diego. It could have been Parris Island since there are no duplicate records of Oswalds at boot camp at San Diego. It means that if Lee Oswald was at Camp LeJeune in the summer of 1956 then he must have been in the service for at least 12 weeks. That could stretch back to March. If Lee was a PFC in the Fall of 1956 then he must have been in the service by then of at least 6 months. Harvey joined in October of 1956 and had not been in the service long enough to be promoted. His promotion to PFC came in May of the following year. The point to make here is that neither Lee or Harvey rose above the rank of PFC / E2 in 3 years and both had a hard time keeping the E2 status. They would be considered “duds” in any service. I think that was the point. These young men were being set up for something from the very beginning. That something may have been unformed in 1956 and 1957. Or, their shaping could be headed toward something with the U2s. Lee Oswald left the service in March, 1959. We can assume he entered the service sometime around March, 1956. He did apply to Albert Schweitzer in March 4, 1959 so he may have been moving toward an early out. A $25.00 enrollment deposit was sent to the college on June 19, 1959. That was probably Harvey and not Lee. Harvey did get an early out on a hardship out for his mother. To me this clears up the problem of Lee and Harvey leaving the Marine Corps at different times. They joined at different times. Lee Oswald: About March, 1956 to March, 1959. Harvey Oswald: October 24, 1956 to September 11, 1959. And, now to the question why were two young teenage boys placed, sent, maybe pushed into the toughest military service so young? Lee Oswald’s entire military career was built around top secret military bases in the US, Japan, Philippines, and Taiwan. Those secret bases housed the U2 spy plane, nuclear secrets, and intelligence programs. Harvey not so much. I believe he was always intended as a fall guy. IMO, Lee Oswald was stuffed to the gills with interesting secret military and intelligence knowledge. He was the defector, a dangle, that the Soviets were looking for and would love for his knowledge about the US military and intelligence.

The only problem I have with Judith Baker is there are no photos of Oswald and her. Both Oswalds were camera guys. They took photos everywhere they went. I'm not certain of this, but there may be photos of Marina in NO. But, none of Judith.

Dana, There is no doubt that the Ed Forum is a gold mine to delve into. 2004 seems to be an especially good year for research. A lot of good things were done that year. The huge thread on Harvey and Lee is awesome. I don't know who the "boy at the zoo" is or was. I'm like John Pic and I simply don't know who that was. He really doesn't match well with anyone except this guy and it is not that great of a match. And, that is my opinion. Other people have other ideas about this person. I will not argue that they are wrong.

The story goes like this, Steve H. Landesberg (the student), that is how the Harvey and Lee folks identify him, has a false identify named Jim Rizzuto. The night of the assassination, Nov. 22, 1963, he calls a radio station and then others. Rizzuto says he has seen Lee Harvey Oswald in the company of Steve L’eandes (Steve R. Landesberg (the actor), a right-wing agitator and Nazi sympathizer from Wiggins, MS in 1962. The FBI get wind of the story and pick up Steve Landesberg (student). Of course, they don’t believe him and determine he is whacko and in need of psychiatric testing and locking up. They forthwith do that. It is a reliable procedure for certain JFK witnesses if their story contradicts the government’s position. They can’t afford to believe Rizzuto / Landesberg (student) because Lee Harvey Oswald was in Russia and not New York at that time. That would mean there were at least two Oswalds out and about doing mysterious things. Essentially, Rizzuto said that he met Steve L'eandes (Steven R. Landesberg (actor) and Lee Oswald in the Marine Corps at Camp Lejune in the summer of 1956. I have underlined here information that I consider very important for understanding information on the Harvey and Lee Site that I consider confusing. (more of this in a bit) After his Marine service he kept in touch with L’eandes by post card. L’eandes sent post cards from Stockholm, Leningrad, and Moscow in 1960. L’eandes was accompanied by Lee Harvey Oswald and Earl Perry in their journeys around Europe and Russia in 1960. Rizzuto was told by L’eandes that Oswald was back in the states and had gone to Texas. Rizzuto said that around October, 1961 L’eandes, Perry, and Lee Harvey Oswald had gotten back together and by December were creating disturbances at a Mark Lane rally. In early 1962, L’eandes and Earl Perry were creating a violent disturbance at the American Jewish Congress. He stated that Lee Oswald was taking pictures at the event. He believed that L’eandes and Oswald lived together on East Eight Street. Who was Earl Perry? That’s enough of this story for my purposes. This is enough to help understand a slight confusion at the Harvey and Lee site. There is more to the New York story and you can read that at your leisure.

There are no really good adult photos of Lee Oswald that one can agree on with others. Or, blow up and make a comparison to Steve Landesberg. But, there are a couple of teenage photos I consider to be Lee Oswald and useful when we compare Steve Landesberg to Lee Oswald. Don’t get me wrong. I am not saying Lee Oswald is Steve Landesberg or vice versa. I am just saying I see a resemblance between them. Both have curly hair about the same color, a broad forehead, and noses that are almost identical. Steve and Lee have the same weak chin. They habitually lower their head in the same manner. Steve Landesberg might be confused by some as a 20 year later version of Lee Oswald, but he is not. His red hair and earlobes would rule him out. This leads to the question could Steve Landesburg pass as a Lee Oswald double? I think so. At least, he resembles one of the Oswalds closer than many Oswald doubles are said to be, for instance John Thomas Mason, Billy Seymour, or Kerry Thornley. The next question might be a bit strange. Could Steve Landesberg be a member of the Oswald Project? He has the looks and was in association with Lee Oswald in New York in late 1961 and early 1962 when he was supposed to be in Minsk, Russia. It is my believe that Harvey is in Russia cozying up to Marina and swiping Russian electronic secrets while Lee is on the cold windy streets of New York harassing the socialists and Jews as a Nazi sympathizer in the winter of 1961

Steve Landesberg and the Oswald Project? This is a photo of the actor Steve Landesberg on the Barney Miller detective show of the 1970’s. It is cropped to just Landesberg and Hal Linden (Barney Miller) is removed. The question is does this man look like Lee Harvey Oswald, or if you like, either Harvey or Lee Oswald? When I compare Harvey with Steve, I don’t see much of a resemblance. There is not much to work with between those two. Somewhat largish noses, weak chins, and the ears are not the same. What do you think?