John Butler

Yes. I would say it is physically impossible for someone to be running in the grass there. What should be shown is what is shown in other Bell frames, the Stemmons and vehicles. The Nash Rambler Oswald happened in front of the TSBD and not on the other side of the railroad bridge. Just as an added extra. The other frames that show people on the railroad bridge as the presidential limousine approaches and goes under don't match the railroad workers as seen in Altgens 7.

I haven't got a clue of what is shown here. It does appear that the scenery behind the railroad bridge in frame 34 of Dunkel has changed from the Stemmons to something else. Some man floating in the air with the railroad bridge in the distance. And, that is really a stretch to say that.

It's the Bell film. Here are two frames showing pretty much the same thing but, there is some time between the frames. One can time the difference by noting what vehicle is in the right hand frame and calculating the time between seeing the SS security vehicle in the left hand frame and the convertible in the second frame. In the left frame the crane can be seen better and appears not to be edited. But, still appears to be in front of the Stemmons Freeway.

Jim, There are 34 frames in this .gif. Frames 2 to 31 show the man in white. White shirt and white slacks. Or, some color close to white. As far a man running down hill, I don't see that. Tony Krome has correctly identified the area in the Bell film with this .gif. Is it the same film, I don't think so or, at least I have reservations due to the quality of the film being better than Bell. Whose film was used by Gerda Dunkel? What well know assassination film was this? Was it a better version of the Bell film? The angle of the small inset seems to be the same as Bell. In Bell the crane or whatever structure seems to be in front of Stemmons rather than on the west side. Can this scene in the .gif be found in Bell however poor the image is? It looks like some editing or darkening of one section of the structure has been done. Regardless, to see the Stemmons Freeway from Dealey Plaza you have to be in an elevated position. Bell was. Patsy Paschall was. (Paschall's filming of the railroad bridge is blackened out.) I don't know of anyone else. Elsie Dorman was in an elevated position but she didn't film the railroad bridge. Toni Glover was in an elevated position but I don't think she was filming. There were other people (3) on the elevated position with Bell. I don't know of any film from them. Anyone filming from the Court House or Court Records Building would have elevation to shoot across the railroad bridge to Stemmons. The railroad bridge is over 100 feet in width. I believe there are 7 tracks there. There were several photographers the government either seized their work and destroyed or missed their work in their dragnet and for whatever reason those photographers didn't come forward and are unknown. There were about 30 or more photographers films or photos are unknown. You can see these people in the various photos available. Tony's film clearly shows that there is no one on the railroad bridge above Elm Street. That's one of my proofs for saying Altgens 7 is a fraud. We don't see in this frame Officer Foster and 10 or so railroad workers above Elm Street. The people, possibly railroad workers, are in the area off to the side of the bridge where Officer Foster kept them until the presidential limousine left Dealey Plaza. The railroad workers in Altgens 7 are hard to compare to the small .gif, particularly in the person in white. Curiously, a few frames later (it can't be more than 1 or 2 seconds) there are people on the railroad bridge where they are in the Altgens photo.

Once again the perspective on this is weird. The Lamppost is further west than the Stemmons sign than shown here. This photo clearly shows Altgens 6 is a crop of a larger photo. But, even that is not quite true. There is a magic camera involved here. Which makes Altgens a manufactured product. Here, we have a fine example of photo editing in building a scene. The Motorcycle Policeman is undistorted at this distance. The Vice President's security vehicle is greatly distorted at about 40 feet behind the Motorcycle Policeman. And, then directly behind the vehicle the boy and others in the crowd are not. How do you do that? Nearly everyone sees the transparent shotgun held by one of the security guys. Can you see Danny Arce talking on a hand held radio?

Oh boy. Fantasy Art. Nothing wrong with fantasy art. It can be appreciated for what it is. Except, when it is posed as reality. Maybe I'll be shown photos of phony car tires and shadows. Oh, this is Altgens 6 rather than Altgens 5. Krome's first effort has compositional problems. Where are the railroad workers? Well, that's ok. Sometimes they are there and sometimes not. But, a Triple Underpass floating in the air? That's a problem. Also, the Elm Street curve is exaggerated. Altgens is further east on Elm than he should be. It is difficult to determine exactly where he was since there are no films or photos showing where he was in the street. His position is calculated by the angles of his photo. Zapruder shows him near the street starting at Z frame 330. This is almost directly across from the steps hat shows in various media two or three men on the steps. In fact, Zapruder shows two Altgens with vary little variation in the two figures in that position. One is claimed to be Dick Bothun. The lamppost in the scene is out of place. About the only thing right is "Stemmons sign to the right;" Actually, the Stemmons sign is always to the right. If you are looking at the presidential limousine going west on Elm Street the Stemmons sign is on the right. It you are looking up Elm Street to the east at the P L the Stemmons sign is on the right. If you have ever marched troops you will understand this readily. The second effort suffers from many of the same problems. Where is Mannequin Row? I know they are like the railroad workers. Sometimes they are there and sometimes they are not. I am interpreting this scene as Altgens as standing south of the Stemmons sign not west. The last scene is supposedly a realistic photo of the assassination era. It is a scene, I believe, that is the day after the assassination. It is a very clear photo which you can enlarge and still retain a good picture of what is enlarged. But, it is like many other things taken in Dealey Plaza. It is a bit off from reality. First off, the curve of Elm Street is exaggerated showing almost a right hand turn going under the railroad bridge. That may just be a matter of interpretation. But, the real problem is where are the steps coming down from the top of the hill to the sidewalk and Elm Street? You know the steps that show two or three men there depending on which media you are looking at. They should be between the Stemmons sign and the Fort Worth sign. I can't find them. Can you?

"(You can see this for yourself by watching cars in your neighborhood--if you pick out a location let's say ten feet back from the street and look at cars as they pass a street light or power pole fifty feet to your left, you will see them pass the streetlight or power pole seconds before the cars actually pass them)." "you can see the limo passing the Stemmons sign long before it actually reaches the sign on the street." I don't believe I have ever had that experience. Does that happen by magic or what? Chris, somebody needs a better example than the chart shown. Can you specify where the R L Thornton sign is? The lamppost near the R L Thornton sign? Can you locate for me the Stemmons sign. It should be right next to Elm Street 40 or so feet from the lamppost next to the R L Thornton sign. Are you saying that Altgens was in the grass when he took Altgens 6. If not what are the red lines? Can you locate for me where Altgens was standing in the road. Can you draw a line south of Elm listing the various Z frames from say the SW corner to the point where the red lines end to the west. If not what z frame would be the equivalent of where the red lines end to the west? There seems to be plenty of shots of Altgens after the assassination but not many before. Perhaps just the Zapruder film. OBTW. Have been to Dealey Plaza and at the time took lots of photos there. Stood in all the spots where something was alleged to have happened including Altgens spot in the street.

Z 225 is compared to Z 255. When Altgens takes Altgens 6 he is in the street about midway in front of the presidential limousine. The Stemmons sign is about 30 feet behind the presidential limousine at Z 255. It is not in front or at the side of the presidential limousine as shown in Altgens 6. At Z 255 there is no magic camera angle that can put a sign that is 30 feet behind the vehicle off to right side or in front of the vehicle. To match Z 255 to this photo one would need to see the Stemmons sign roughly 30 feet behind the presidential limousine at the rear of the Secret Service vehicle. The man with the hard hat is a known figure. There are 19 people (I call this group Mannequin Row. BTW most are not there. They are imaginary. ) from the lamppost to the Stemmons sign. That is roughly 40 feet. That puts the Stemmons sign in front of the presidential vehicle in Altgens 6. From this we can conclude that the Zapruder film is a hoax or Altgens 6 is a hoax. Both images can not be true. Personally, I believe both are frauds.

Altgens 6 and the Zapruder film are at odds. I don't see how Altgens 6 or the Zapruder film can be used. Both are phonies.

What color is Oswald’s shirts: CE 150 and CE 151 My wife generally has a better color sense than I do. I asked her what color is CE 151. She has pronounced Oswald’s shirt CE 151 as the color taupe which is a color that varies from brown to a light greyish color. Taupe Color Chart: She particularly picked the color Desert Taupe. For her, the colors are identical. This is how that matches with Oswald’s shirts. For myself, I see CE 151 as a redder color and not at all a taupe color. And, that is the problem. The difference in color perception accounts for people seeing different colors for Oswald’s shirts. Color constancy is a notion that people will see colors like the Pantone Desert Taupe as the same color as CE 151 because that is how their brain and eyes work. There is also a red-green color deficiency problem. All artists know that brown is made from red and green colors. Depending on how much red or green is used you can have varying shades of brown. If you add additional colors you can either strengthen or grey out the color. An example would be to add blue to red and green to grey the color and arrive at a taupe color. Here is the deficiency problem: The American Optometric Association: Color Vision Deficiency What causes color vision deficiency? How is color vision deficiency diagnosed? How is color vision deficiency treated? Color vision deficiency is the inability to distinguish certain shades of color. The term "color blindness" is also used to describe this visual condition, but very few people are completely color blind. Most people with color vision deficiency can see colors, but they have difficulty differentiating between the following colors: particular shades of reds and greens (most common) blues and yellows (less common) People who are totally color blind, a condition called achromatopsia, can only see things as black and white or in shades of gray. Color vision deficiency can range from mild to severe, depending on the cause. It affects both eyes if it is inherited and usually just one if it is caused by injury or illness. Color vision is possible due to photoreceptors in the retina of the eye known as cones. These cones have light-sensitive pigments that enable us to recognize color. Found in the macula (the central part of the retina), each cone is sensitive to either red, green or blue light. The cones recognize these lights based on their wavelengths. Normally, the pigments inside the cones register different colors and send that information through the optic nerve to the brain. This enables you to distinguish countless shades of color. But if the cones don't have one or more light-sensitive pigments, you will be unable to see one or more of the three primary colors. The most common form of color deficiency is red-green. This does not mean that people with this deficiency cannot see these colors at all. They simply have a harder time differentiating between them, which can depend on the darkness or lightness of the colors.

Oh No!! Say it isn't so!! Not another one or two!! 1. A shot to the left temple 2. A shot to the right temple 3. A shot to the upper right forehead (frontal bone rather than temporal bone) 4. A shot from the front which makes a massive occipital wound as seen by Parkland doctors 5. A shot from the Sniper's Nest blowing out the top and right side of the skull 6. A shot to the base of the rear skull- an entrance wound 7. A shot to the top / rear of the skull about midway center of the school . There is a picture of this wound or is it a scab or bloodspot. Which ones are real and which ones are imaginary in that alternate reality we call Dealey Plaza.

Cute? Nah! Dumb? Yah! How about working up a graphic of the Altgens 7 scene in front of the TSBD. That is essentially what Allman said.

Ray, I am going to treat your questions as if they are legitimate. Electronic flash attachments for cameras were invented in 1931. They didn't come into common usage until the late 1950's. Electronic flashes work off batteries so there is no additional cost for each flash or flash cube you use. And, I suppose since a flash is fairly harmless in sunlight that people just leave the flash on and working. That's is what I use to do. Why photograph the rest of the motorcade if the President has already passed through? Well, something else might happen. Maybe the original assignment was to photograph the entire parade. Maybe Oswald / Prayer Man was assigned to be out of the building while the other Oswald was operating inside the building. That way there would be no confusion of two Oswalds running into each other. We need to remember a Marine is a combat trained soldier. When shooting occurred I would assume a combat trained individual would seek cover and concealment. That appears to be what Oswald / Prayer Man did. With shooting going east and west the safest place would be in the shelter of the doorway of the TSBD where one could not be seen from the Grassy Knoll or the Dal-Tex building. It would be the perfect cover and concealment for shooting going up and down Elm Street. A question you might ask is where did the camera go if Prayer Man has a camera? That is open to speculation. I really believe he brought a camera instead of curtain rods to the TSBD that morning. It was none of Buell Frazier's business so he was told curtain rods. A camera and a two handed camera holder would be about a foot or more in length. Just what you would put into a standard 18 inch grocery bag of that era. Frazier described the bag as 22 to 24 inches. Close enough in size to an eighteen inch bag to be see as about 2 feet. So, if Prayer Man really had a camera then what happened to it and more important what happened to the photos? If you really want to listen to an entirely different account of the assassination listen to Pierce Allman:

Second Floor Hoax Officer Baker, Supt. Roy Truly, and Lee Harvey Oswald never met in the 2nd floor breakroom 60 seconds or 90 seconds after the shooting of President Kennedy. This alleged event never occurred. It is a hoax. It is a hoax for the following reasons: The WC reenactment with Officer Baker says that the least amount of time Baker and Truly could have made it to the second floor breakroom is 90 seconds. My calculation of events is close to that but, greater than 60 seconds by 24 seconds. Capt. Will Fritz’s notes say Oswald said he was outside watching the parade with Bill Shelley. FBI agent James Hosty’s notes say Oswald was outside watching the P. Parade. The Dave Weigman film shows Prayer Man / Lee Harvey Oswald on the steps of the TSBD as the film opens. And, that is about 13-15 seconds after the shooting of President Kennedy ceased. The Couch / Darnell films shows Officer Baker approaching the TSBD about 2 seconds into the film making a estimated 4 second run to the TSBD doorway. He has to pass Prayer Man / Lee Harvey Oswald who is standing in the doorway. This is about 30 seconds after the shooting. Pierce Allman, located at the SW corner of Houston and Elm, said after the shooting was over he ran across the street and talked to Lee Harvey Oswald. This puts Oswald outside the building when the President was shot. Los Angeles Times Witnesses to the JFK assassination: Three Dallas stories By By Molly Hennessy-Fiske Nov 17, 2013 | 6:00 AM “Pierce Allman ran to the Texas School Book Depository, seen behind him, in search of a phone and briefly exchanged words with a stranger — who he later learned was Lee Harvey Oswald.” From Jim Hargrove comes this information Officer Baker said he stopped a man on the 4th floor and this was repeated by Det. Marvin Johnson who said “Johnson wrote: "Patrolman Baker was in the Homicide Bureau giving an affidavit and Oswald was brought into the room to talk to some Secret Service men. When Baker saw Oswald he stated, 'that is the man I stopped on the 4th floor of the School Book Depository.'" I have never heard the Det. Johnson statement before. Paul Jollife said, ““Further, the suspect description provided by Baker does not really fit our "Oswald" - 30 years old? 165 pounds? "Oswald" was sitting right next to him!” This indicates that the man he saw on the 4th floor may not have been Harvey Oswald but, his double Lee Oswald. In first day testimony there is no mention of a second-floor breakroom encounter. This comes the next day as the cover-up story facts are adjusted to fit the story of the assassination as being told on the second day. The story changes the next day and what Baker said about a fourth-floor encounter with a worker identified by Roy Truly is forgotten and not brought up again by the authorities. It is replaced with the second-floor encounter. There are a couple of interesting photos in the .pdf file Death Of The Lunchroom Hoax. These photos fit my bias on what Prayer Man was doing that afternoon. He was taking pictures of the Presidential Parade with a camera he brought that morning from Irving, Tx. You can see the camera flash. Particularly well, in the photo proclaiming Prayer Woman by Chris Davidson. Get someone with a coke into a shadowed area of deep shadows and see if you can take a photo of a 6 ½ ounce coke bottle producing this much illumination from sunshine or the lack of in this case. Davidson’s effort has enough resolution so that one can actually see a camera.

"DEATH OF THE LUNCHROOM HOAX This essay establishes beyond any rational doubt that the 2nd-floor lunchroom encounter between Lee Harvey Oswald, Marion Baker and Roy Truly actually happened. The timing of this incident, roughly 60 seconds after the assassination, strongly suggests that Oswald was in the lunchroom during the shooting of President Kennedy." I have a problem with this article. This fellow puts Baker, Truly, and Oswald in the 2nd floor breakroom roughly 60 seconds after the shooting. I don't think that's possible and the timing of this may very well destroy his premise. I haven't read this yet but, I am wondering whether I should go any further. The bold type words through one for a loop. Didn't the WC lawyers and Baker establish through reenactment that the least time Baker could have arrived at the 2nd floor breakroom is 90 seconds? Based on my own calculations 60 seconds is to short of a time. And, 90 seconds is also an incorrect time because Oswald was outside the building when Marion Baker entered the TSBD. Here is reasoning that may be useful. Baker is half way down Houston street from Main Street when the shooting begins. He is between the Court House and the Court Records building. This at the least is about 75 feet from the intersection of Houston and Elm Street. Weigman’s run to the intersection began with him out of his vehicle and on the street as the 3rd shot occurs= about 5 seconds to the intersection Weigman begins filming and for some reason the first 8 seconds is blank. His film begins with the Mayor’s Car and the National Press Pool Car in motion. This is slightly pass where Mrs. Cabell indicated her vehicle was stopped= 8 seconds or, it could be longer depending on how long the Mayor’s Car was stopped A Weigman frame at 38 seconds shows the Camera Cars in motion= 30 seconds. Their start into the turn at Houston and Elm may be a second or two earlier. Couch/Darnell shows Officer Baker begin his run as the film starts and at about 2 seconds the film shows Baker running and he takes an estimated 4 seconds to reach the steps and confront Roy Truly there or inside the building= 6 seconds Roy Truly speaks to Officer Baker inside the TSBD or on the TSBD steps= about 5 seconds Inside the TSBD from the South door/ Main Entrance there is about 100 feet to the rear door / freight elevators. = 8 seconds Roy Truly calls twice up the elevator shaft for someone to lower the elevator= 7 seconds Roy Truly and Office Baker proceed to the second floor breakroom= about 20 seconds. Total: 5 + 8 + 30 + 6 + 8 + 7 + 20 = 1 minute and 24 seconds which is less than the 90 seconds estimated as the least time by the WC. But, still over the one minute or 60 seconds in time. These are estimated times and can be adjusted if there is good reason.

Speculation. Where is the Willis girl in the Bronson frame?

"Now, Skinny that's five and no more" (Misquoting Gene Hackman in the movie Unforgiven) If one summarizes one has this list: 1. A rifle shot to the left temple 2. A rifle shot to the right temple 3. A rifle shot to the upper right forehead (frontal bone rather than temporal bone) 4. A rifle shot from the front which makes a massive occipital wound as seen by Parkland doctors 5. A rifle shot from the Sniper's Nest blowing out the top and right side of the skull If we say these all happened in one event then that presents a problem. If we are talking about high powered rifles such as a 1903 Springfield, a British Enfield, a German Mauser, a M-1 or M-14 or even the lowly Carcano then 5 wounds would not leave much of the skull from their force. So, something different must have happened. Maybe a combination of some of these produced the effect that is noted. I really don't know. But, I favor No.3 and No. 4 for head wounds. Possibly, in this manner. A gunshot wound from a small caliber pistol such as a .22 or .32 silenced (probably not larger than a .38) and shot from the crowd. This round penetrates through the skull form left to right or from right to left and produces a right forehead and left temple wound. Then there is a rifle shot that produces the massive head wound from the front to the rear as seen by Parkland doctors. This could include the right temple wound. The top and side wound plus maybe the right temp are produced later either before the autopsy or during. At the time there is more shooting than this producing other wounds or missing. There is enough shooting to produce confusion along Houston Street and Elm Street to confuse witnesses with hearing more than 3 shots. As I said I don't know I'm just guessing based on my reading of events.

I have often wondered if the Texas Theater was like my home town theater back during the days of segregation. In our local theater the balcony area was used for black people only. Maybe that is why the stairs were located near the entrance at the Texas Theater. At home there was a private entrance into the balcony from outside the building. Inside the theater there was a set of stairs leading to the balcony but, that was roped off and accessible only by black people. I always wanted to see a movie from the balcony. I got to later when my brother ran the projection booth. It was cool. But, I don't know if I was forced to sit there. I bring this up to show that a white person going up to the balcony area would be very noticeable if they had the same practices as our local theater in 1963. I know from personal experience that Texas was still segregated to a certain point in 1969. Some night clubs were private and blacks were not allowed. In Austin there were mixed race clubs where white and black people could socialize. But, not in Killen, Texas outside of Fort Hood.

Toni Glover JFK assassination JFK assassination: Questions that won't go away By Owen Amos BBC News, Washington DC ctober 2017 Toni got to the Dealey Plaza early and found a "perfect" spot to watch the president's parade. "He came by, he smiled and waved," she says. "Jackie smiled and waved - she was on my side. "He turned the corner. I thought, 'I'm going to follow this car until it disappears because it's the president - I'm going to watch every second I can.' And then his head exploded. It just exploded. "She told her mother that someone had thrown fireworks into the car. "But really, I knew different," she adds.Now, 54 years later, Dr Toni Glover is an associate professor at the University of Scranton in Pennsylvania. ** Girl in Blue remembers JFK assassination The Citizens’ Voice By David Singleton (Staff Writer) / Published: November 22, 2013 Now an associate professor of English at the University of Scranton, Toni Glover, Ph.D., still struggles with the raw horror of what she witnessed. "It was not an assassination. It was not a fatal shot," Glover, 61, said in an interview at her Hill Section home. "It was a gory, gruesome murder that we all stood there and watched." "I went there with this magical thinking that just a wave and a smile would change my life forever, and he did indeed look up and smile and wave and it took my breath away ⦠I was just floating on air. I was in the ether somewhere, and I had tunnel vision on the car. "So I just kept watching the car as it went down the street and his head exploded." Fatal gunshot As a native Texan, Glover said she knows what a gunshot sounds like. She is certain she heard two in Dealey Plaza. She can't be sure about a third. After Kennedy's limo passed her perch and turned left onto Elm in front of the book depository, Glover said there was a noise people in the crowd acknowledged by turning their heads. It was a bang, she said, but it could have been a motorcycle or car backfiring. ** As 50th Anniversary Of JFK Assassination Approaches, Local Witness Reflects November 20, 2013 at 6:26 pm Filed Under:CBS 3, Dallas, JFK Assassination, Local Witness, Pat Ciarrocchi, Toni Glover, TX “It was perfect. “They looked up. I was way up in the air, screaming and yelling. You couldn’t miss me. And smiled and waved,” Glover said. I was just so thrilled. and then, he turned the corner, and his head exploded. Graphic, yes. And seared. “The image of him waving and the image of him dying are burned of course,” she said.” ** https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/it-was-the-most-wonderful-moment-and-then-a-terrible-terrible-momenttoni-glover-/1900013053346157/ **

In front of or across from? I know the difference.

Linda Willis- Warren Commission- July 22, 1964- that she was standing in front of the TSBD when he motorcade came by. She initially said she heard shots there or more shots. Then, later she said she was standing across Elm Street from the Stemmons Freeway sign. There is where she heard shots and saw the head shot. She said she was directly across the street from the Stemmons sign when the first shot hit him. ** Linda Willis in a 1991 film on the assassination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO9PoeOndhU At 3:58 minutes into the film she describes her family’s relationship to the major Democratic Party players in Texas at that time. At 4:47 there is a discussion of the shots and shooting. AT 8:50 there is a lengthy discussion of the shots and shooting. AT 13:25 Linda says she and her family stood close to each other and saw the same thing. Maybe at this point she forgot she was supposed to be standing in front of the Stemmons Sign or maybe she hadn’t read her WC transcript. ** Below is the unedited transcript from interviews with witnesses to the Kennedy assassination: Rosemary Willis Roach, her sister Linda Willis Pool, and mother Marilyn Willis; Bill and Gayle Newman; Pierce Allman; Bobby Hargis and James Leavelle. Interviewed by Joe Nick Patoski “Linda Willis Pool: I was fourteen years old. TM: Linda, you were following your dad? Linda: I followed my dad the whole time he photographed the presidential motorcade. The cars came toward the old red courthouse proceeding down Main Street, made a right onto Houston then left on Elm. So my dad began to run along the side of the limousine when the car made the turn onto Houston. As he ran along the side of the car, snapping pictures, I was on his shoulders the whole time. We were running at a pretty good clip to keep up with the motorcade. And so when they turned the corner in front of the School book depository they were moving along slowly so the crowd could wave. And when the shots rang out, my impression was firecrackers at first. But the report was loud and came again and again, I began to realize that trouble was brewing. And I saw the president's hands come up to his throat and then I saw the head shot and I never took my eyes away from the president during those shots,” ** Linda’s Warren Commission testimony is contradictory. The testimony of Linda Kay Willis was taken at 3:15 p.m., on July 22, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President’s Commission. (This part of Linda’s statements is in agreement with what she said above.) ”Mr. Liebeler. Your father has told us that you were out in front of the School Book Depository Building along with your sister on the day of the assassination, and your mother and father were also there, is that correct? Miss Willis. Yes, sir. Mr. Liebeler. Did you hear any shots, or what you later learned to be shots, as the motorcade came past you there? Miss Willis. Yes ; I heard one. Then there was a little bit of time, and then there were two real fast bullets together. When the first one hit, well, the President turned from waving to the people, and he grabbed his throat, and he kind of slumped forward, and then I couldn’t tell where the second shot went. Mr. Liebeler. Now, you were standing right along the curb on Elm Street, is that right, when the motorcade came by across the street from the School Book Depository Building? Miss Willis. Yes, sir.” (But, she then contradicts herself.) “Mr. Liebeler. Did you follow the motorcade down Elm Street at all, or did you stand on the corner up toward Houston Street and watch from there? Miss Willis. I was right across from the sign that points to where Stem- mons Expressway is. I was directly across when the first shot hit him. Mr. Liebeler. Directly across from the sign that says, “Stemmons Freeway”? Miss Willis. I was right in line with the sign and the car, and I wasn’t very far away from him, but I couldn’t tell from where the shot came. Mr. Liebeler. Did you just stay right there, or did you go on down Elm Street? “ Is this changed testimony? Or, did Linda realize she was off script and had to get this part about the Stemmons Freeway sign in? It sounds more like added testimony at a later date.

Tina Towner- in a YouTube video, Witnesses to the JFK assassination: Three Dallas Stories- LA Times by Brian van der Brug, she said things that indicate shooting occurred as the presidential vehicle turned into the intersection and in front of the TSBD. The article said she stopped filming after the presidential limousine turned into the intersection. If that’s true then who filmed her film? ** JFK Assassination – Tina Towner Film Splice Edward Bauer Loading... Published on Jul 18, 2015 The 8 frames spliced out of the Tina Towner film recorded a major camera jiggle, her reaction to the first shot. The jiggle analysis in The Final Truth proves that she would have reacted exactly at the first missing frame. The FBI removed this jiggle to cover up an early first shot. Note the sharp upward movement during the missing frames, a radical aberration from her otherwise smooth-as-glass pan. Added yellow lines help show this sharp rapid movement within 0.307 of a second (the Towners' camera filmed at 22.8 frames per second). The splice is between T084 and T085. This video uses retouched versions of these frames not obscured by splicing cement. Detailed description in The Final Truth: Solving the Mystery of the JFK Assassination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_N3QoiJE_E ** Jack McFile list anomalies in the Towner film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKQr9GIdmHc ** Tina Towner- in a YouTube video, Witnesses to the JFK assassination: Three Dallas Stories- LA Times by Brian van der Brug, she said things that indicate shooting occurred as the presidential vehicle turned into the intersection and in front of the TSBD. The article said she stopped filming after the presidential limousine turned into the intersection. If that’s true then who filmed her film? ** Los Angeles Times: Witnesses to the JFK assassination: Three Dallas stories By By Molly Hennessy-Fiske Nov 17, 2013 | 6:00 AM “Pender (Tina Towner) and her mother staked out a spot on the corner and took turns sitting on a campstool they had brought. When her father suggested they move south, toward a grassy knoll, they protested. Shortly before 12:30 p.m., they realized the president's limousine was entering the plaza. "You could hear the crowds as the motorcade was approaching," she said. Pender watched her father get permission from a police officer for the family to stand in the street, near the curb, so he and his daughter could take pictures. The limousine, with the Kennedys sitting behind Texas Gov. John Connally and his wife, turned off Houston onto Elm. Pender gazed through the viewfinder, and her hands trembled with excitement as she tried to keep the first couple in the frame. She was struck by Jackie Kennedy's beauty. "She seemed to be looking right at us," Pender said. She stopped filming seconds later as the limousine rounded the corner. Then came what sounded to her like firecrackers, and someone yanked her to the ground. She got up moments later but couldn't see her parents, who had been swallowed up by the panicked crowd.” The question to ask here is who filmed the rest of Tina Towner’s film? In the Elsie Dorman film there is a stool there on the SW corner of Elm and Houston. If anyone ever wondered what that was or, who the stool belonged to is answered by Tina Towner. ** And, there is this indicating shooting in the intersection and in front of the TSBD, the hit x frame: Contrast adjusted to see hit x clearer.

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Jim, It looks like folks are trying to end your thread. You are doing a lot of good by showing the truth of what occurred long ago. There's a pack of troells that dog my footsteps and they are doing the same thing here that they did on the last thing I posted, Mass Hysteria in Dealey Plaza. Frankly, I thought that piece would only get about a couple of hundred views since I had posted it before and no one payed much attention to it. This time I sourced the statements. And, by doing that only one person actually talked about the thread the rest was harassment on the Altgens 5 photo manipulation by the usual pack of disinformation troells. The fools kept that piece alive for about 98 comments and 6700 views. All to my benefit. The piece was finally ended by Michael Cross saying: Michael Cross Experienced Member Members 195 posts Gender:Male Report post Posted April 5 Exactly. We're really getting into disinformation territory. They are now doing that here. Here's a good example: The original of Altgens 6 is just magnified with no other adjustments. Krome's Altgens 6 seems to have the Oswald figures shoulder and arm added to as versus the orginal. Also the face mask of Lovelady still shows in the duller version. Krome needs to source where his visual presentation came from and some information explaining. Check out Ron Bulman's post of Krome's Altgens 6 for the kind of thinking and work that they do.