John Butler

Not so masterful. Did you see Lovelady's flat head? But, knowing you and your confreres you'll have some kind of explanation for that that will challenge someone's credibility. Lovelady in that shirt is disinformation to show that he was really Doorway Man in Altgens 6. The Police Station film seems to be the same. After looking at both I count them as fraudulent. Doorway Man in Altgens 6 is someone who has a Lovelady face mask applied to the figure. The figure itself is a badly cut out figure from elsewhere. Just look at the left shoulder which has a good portion of it missing. Except for the face mask Lovelady and Doorway man has nothing in common.

"I am not advocating a specific position here, merely pointing out that because the Warren Commission did not pin down exactly what Billy Lovelady meant by "after it was over", it is difficult (if not impossible) for us to come to firm conclusions here. " After is directly after an event as if lining up dominoes one after the other. A secondary definition for after specifies what and when whatever occurred after the event. Ex. I ate lunch after we came back from town. Lovelady could be using words loosely according to his own understanding. However, he is dead and we can't check that. Here is something interesting about Lovelady at the Dallas Police station. Looks like an insert to me. What did Jack White say about sanded edges? Are images like this the source for the "home movie" posted earlier.

This is the first frame from the so-called "home movie". There looks like there are problems with it. Billy Lovelady appears to be related to Phil Willis, The Flat-headed See Through Man, with their genetically flat heads and closely related at that. Or, is that photo manipulation with someone who can't cut out figures realistically. This is a fraud taking information from what could be the Dallas Police film and pasting into a film, I going to assume Robert Hughes. That's speculation on the film sources for this photo manipulation.

What is a .gif? A .gif is produced from software that allows one to string together film frames or photos in a continuous order. If you set the time for the appearance of each element of the .gif at 1 second then you have the appearance of a film. What you string together can be anything from anywhere. Therefore, you can not assess the validity of the entire piece but, only assess the content validity of each element consisting of a frame or photo. Setting a 1 second rate for each element to appear in the .gif you are throwing out many other frames from a film. Using a .gif in this manner as a "home movie" or "film" is disinformation. In order to assess the content validity of each element of the .gif one needs to know the source and the order the .gif sequence come form. In each element of the .gif one needs to assess the content for photo manipulation.

"A home movie, shot in colour by John Martin, was rediscovered in the 1970s. The film shows a crowd of people outside the main entrance of the TSBD a few minutes after the assassination. One of the people is unmistakeably Billy Lovelady. He is wearing a long–sleeved check shirt with red squares and white and blue horizontal and vertical stripes." This is not a home movie but a .gif presentation of 95 frames. It looks like a movie but, it is not a film. So, what is the source of this .gif? What is the source of the frames? Which movie are they from? Ron Bulman says, "I don't remember ever seeing this before. Thanks. The cop does push the Black guy down through the door, which no one else seems to care about but the other Black guy, does he not? Why?" I haven't seen this "film" before either.

Groden must have been talking about another Martin film other than the John Martin film. The John Martin film on Groden's DVD disk does not show the TSBD steps. It skips from the Court Records Building to the western end of the TSBD and does not show the TSBD steps. That is one of the pieces of the cover-up. The John Martin film is only about 25 seconds long and occurs during the time of the assassination on Houston and Elm and not 8 to 15 minutes later. Once again the theme is who do you believe? One of my contentions is that the cover-up was not to frame Oswald absolutely beyond all reasonable doubt. But, to create paradoxical situations where reasonable doubt is raised and therefore you cannot convict anyone of a Kennedy assassination crime or conspiracy. Who do I believe? I think the first day testimonies are more accurate than later testimonies that have their stories evolved into the direction of the Lone Gunman theory. But, you can not really put your faith in anything without a great deal of corroborating evidence. As an example, I can not say that Altgens 5 was photo manipulated because shooting occurred at the Houston Street crosswalk near Main Street. There is little or no evidence for that that people will believe. Bonnie Williams and Marie Muchmore say that but, no one believes that because they changed their stories later. Hargrove's use of the first day statements of Shelley and Lovelady are preferable to me than their later statements which could be subject to manipulation. I believe these statements were written at the Sheriff's Office without much pressure put on the two men. However, there is evidence to the contrary about witness manipulation when it comes to Jean Hill's Sheriff Office statement and what she said about it later.

Baker's information about two men on the first floor was not developed by the Sheriff's Office, Dallas Police, FBI, and would not have been developed by any WC Lawyer. The question was asked by Senator John Sherman Cooper from Ky . Marion Baker and two men 1-22-63- Sheriff’s Office- States he saw people standing around and asked for where the elevator was. Does not mention 2 men on the first floor. 11-26-63- FBI statement- Baker does not mention 2 men on the first floor. 11-29-63- FBI statement- Baker does not mention 2 men on the first floor. 3-25-64- Warren Commission- Baker initially didn’t say anything about two men on the first floor. But, later this is what was said- “SENATOR COOPER - Did you see anyone else while you were in the building, other than this man you have identified later as Oswald, and Mr. Truly?Mr. BAKER - On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us. Mr. DULLES - Were they white men?Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.” 9-23-64- FBI statement- says pretty much what he said in earlier FBI statements. The information about two men on the first floor was not developed by the Sheriff's Office, the Dallas Police, the FBI, or any WC lawyer. As stated above it was developed by Senator John Sherman Cooper asking the question. Is that relevant? I think so. John Simkin- Oct, 29, 2006- "Regarding his service on the Warren Commission, Senator Cooper publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the commission's findings, terming the group's 1964 report "premature and inconclusive." In no uncertain terms he informed Jack's surviving brothers, Robert and Teddy, that, having personally examined thousands of shreds of documentation, he felt strongly that Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone."

Vickie Adams- Shelley and Lovelady On 11-24-63 in an FBI summary there is no mention of meeting or seeing Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady. On 2-17-64 Vickie Adams told Detective Leavelle that before she left the building she saw but did not speak to the two employees, Mr. Shelley and an employee named Bill. On 3-3-64 FBI statement there is no mention of Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady. On 3-23-64 in another statement to the FBI there is no mention of Shelley and Lovelady. This particular document from Mary Ferrell can’t be trusted because it was re-typed by a later word processor. On 6-2-64 there was a letter from General Counsel Lee Rankin showing changes made to her transcript at the WC. And, that Dorothy Garner said after Adams went down the stair steps she saw Mr. Truly and a policeman come up. On April 7, 1964 Adams said she saw and talked to Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady as she left the building. They did not respond to her question. I don’t know but there might be a good chance that the FBI was editing what she was saying and removing what they thought wasn’t according to the plan. In the 3 FBI statements there is no mention of Shelley and Lovelady. But, there is in non-FBI sources. Then there is her denial to Barry Ernest. In all of this which is valid or not? The FBI was editing her statements as indicated in the 3-23-64 statement of where the presidential limousine was when shooting occurred. And, someone re-typed the 3-23-64 FBI statement with a later word processor and presents this as the true commission exhibit. This is a confused mess in which one can go in several different directions. What is best here? Can this Ernest character be trusted? Wasn't his book written after Vickie's death in 2007? So, what she said in it is up to Ernest not Adams? After looking at this mess I am going to tentatively believe that Vickie Adams did see Shelley and Lovelady as she left the building. Based primarily on this Top Secret portion of her transcript. Why else do this? Baker's information about two men on the first floor was not developed by the Sheriff's Office, Dallas Police, FBI, and would not have been developed by any WC Lawyer. The question was asked Senator John Sherman Cooper from Ky . Marion Baker and two men 1-22-63- Sheriff’s Office- States he saw people standing around and asked for where the elevator was. Does not mention 2 men on the first floor. 11-26-63- FBI statement- Baker does not mention 2 men on the first floor. 11-29-63- FBI statement- Baker does not mention 2 men on the first floor. 3-25-64- Warren Commission- Baker initially didn’t say anything about two men on the first floor. But, later this is what was said- “SENATOR COOPER - Did you see anyone else while you were in the building, other than this man you have identified later as Oswald, and Mr. Truly?Mr. BAKER - On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us. Mr. DULLES - Were they white men?Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.” 9-23-64- FBI statement- says pretty much what he said in earlier FBI statements. The information about two men on the first floor was not developed by the Sheriff's Office, the Dallas Police, the FBI, or any WC lawyer. As stated above it was developed by Senator John Sherman Cooper asking the question. Is that relevant? I think so.

Jim's notion that there is an increasing period of time for Shelley and Lovelady to be out of the TSBD is evident in their statements. Vickie said on 11-24-63 she was out of the building for 4 or 5 minutes. That is plenty enough time to see Lovelady and Shelley in the RR yards if they were there. What I can't square is Vickie Adams saying she spoke to Shelley and Lovelady within a minute of the shooting. Then, years later saying this was not the truth. Her statement of 2-17-64 to the Dallas Policeman Jim Leavelle is where the idea that She spoke to Shelley and a fellow named Bill came from. It's possible that the Dallas Police / Leavelle are responsible for this statement and they were not really aware of the total cover-up plan and this is the reason that the testimonies of Lovelady and Shelley had to be adjusted by April by the WC Lawyers. On the way back into the building she says that she spoke to ?Molina? that name was hard to read. She also spoke to Avery Davis. What is interesting is she said when she returned to the building that the passenger elevator power was still off and the freight elevator power was still off. If she really spent 4 or 5 minutes outside the building then that times how long the power was off in the building. That is plenty of time for someone to come out of the basement and in the dark TSBD not be noticed going anywhere. Not much is said elsewhere on how long the power was off?

Good summary. The Secret Service Agent was a bad guy. One of the assassins or helpers. There were supposedly no SS Agents in Dealey Plaza. J. M. Smith says there were two other officers there. I don't think he was talking about the Deputy or the SS Agent. "Also note that Lovelady would seem to be implying here that he and Shelley were back inside the TSBD awfully quickly - within a minute or so of the shots. (Could they have made it in time to be near the back stairs by the time Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles descended? It doesn't seem very likely, yet it is possible, I suppose.)" I don't think it was possible for them to be back in the building within a minute by their WC testimony. Earlier testimony says yes they returned into the building and could be there to meet Adams within a minute. (Sheriff Office Statement). A longer period of time is in the FBI statement. I don't think they could have been back in the building in less than a minute. Definitely not when they said they went into the RR yards in their WC statements. "Mr. Ball. Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks? Mr. Lovelady. Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half. Mr. Ball. Then what did you do? Mr. Lovelady. Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building."

Thanks Paul, This is really good. The officer Adams encountered in the RR yards could not have been Welcome Barnett. I favor one of the Smiths or an unknown. However, J. M. Smith could have been in the RR yards prior to the arrival of Adams/Styles or Lovelady/Shelley. It is just possible: "Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; I glanced around and was watching the crowd to make sure they stayed back out of the way of the motorcade, and also to make sure none of the cars started up or anything. Then I heard the shots, and I immediately proceeded from this point. Mr. LIEBELER. Point 4 on Commission Exhibit No. 354? Mr. SMITH. I started up toward this Book Depository after I heard the shots, and I didn't know where the shots came from. I had no idea, because it was such a ricochet. Mr. LIEBELER. An echo effect? Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here. Mr. LIEBELER. You proceeded up to an area immediately behind the concrete structure here that is described by Elm Street and the street that runs immediately in front of the Texas School Book Depository, is that right? Mr. SMITH. I was checking all the bushes and I checked all the cars in the parking lot." Here again we need to intrepid the words immediately and after. It is a continual problem in these Dealey Plaza statements. I read this as very little time passed before Officer Smith was in the RR yards. The notion that here was two other policeman there is interesting. Here's a statement that may indicate more time has passed: "Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; I checked all the cars. I looked into all the cars and checked around the bushes. Of course, I wasn't alone. There was some deputy sheriff with me, and I believe one Secret Service man when I got there." It is worthy of noting that a Deputy Sheriff and Secret Service man were already there. Where was the Motorbike policeman, the one who parked on elm and went up the slope to the RR bridge? His name escapes me at this time. Chief Curry called for officers to get on the RR bridge and see what was going on there. Motorbike cops were about all that was available unless some other policeman is identified. Smith also said: "Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see anybody up there? Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; there was two other officers there, I know. Mr. LIEBELER. Were there any other people up there, that you can remember? Mr. SMITH. No, sir; none that I remember. Mr. LIEBELER. But you remember that there were two police officers up there? Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir." Now, were these two Dallas Officers there or was he referring to the Deputy and the SS Agent? I tend to think he was talking about two other Dallas Police Officers. He says "I know" which could imply he knew who these officers were. But, who? And, that doesn't necessarily mean more time passed before Smith showed up at the RR yards.

I am ambivalent about the alleged Shelley / Lovelady run towards the railroad yards. That imagery is too vague to tell who that is. They should have a policemen accompanying them according to their statements. They don't. Here is the ambivalent part. They may have met a policeman at the SW corner of the TSBD. Here are vague images that suggest a Dallas Policeman, perhaps one of the Smiths. This is at least 30 seconds after the shooting. If someone has better video they can check this spot at this time in the Couch/Darnell film and see if that is truly a Dallas Policeman.

If statements can be believed Shelley and Lovelady were in the railroad yards at the same time as Adams and Styles. No one mentions seeing either in the railroad yards. About the only agreement in their statements, I think I recall this, was that an officer told them to go back to the building.

There is an increasing amount of time out of the building in each successive statement. All of which nullifies Vickie Adams' statement of seeing them in the building within a minute of the assassination. Adams, much later in time is said to deny this. This gives rise to the notion that the WC interrogators added this to Adams' statement. Which doesn't make any sense at all with changing Shelley and Lovelady's testimony over time. It is another paradoxical situation recreated, in my opinion, to ensure no one is convicted on a assassination crime. I really don't have much evidence for what I am going to say next. It is an impression. I think the cover-up story was not fully developed on the afternoon of the 22nd. It was adjusted to meet the circumstances of placing an Oswald on the 6th floor as an assassin. People like Bonnie Ray Williams were allowed to say they heard shooting when the limo turns onto Houston Street. Marie Muchmore says about the same. Things changed by the evening to the 22nd and the cover-up story had changed. Truly / Baker are an example. Baker says one thing that evening but changes to what Truly says later. This is the reason in going over witness statements I preferred first day statements to later. People like Lovelady and Williams changed their stories to confirm to the Lone Gunman theory of the WC. The Sheriff Office statements are perhaps better than the FBI statements but, neither are trustworthy. Each has to be dealt with skeptically. About the only benefit of the doubt is that these FBI 302s were summaries and things may have been left out to do a one pager or two at most.

Jim, Maybe my phrasing of that wasn't the best. But, that's what the FBI document essentially states. "Running towards" is more accurate than "chased" but, essentially the same. Sheriff's Office statement says one thing. (went back into the building after the shooting) FBI statement changes that. (ran towards the presidential limousine and then returned to the building) And, later the WC testimony changes again. (went to the Grassy Knoll and railroad yards rentered building from west side) It's the "immediately after" that bugs me. Most folk take immediately or after in a looser sense of the definition and imply that there could be a time difference between and event and what follows afterwards. I've been arguing this for a long time. Hope this helps.

If Oswald had any spy training at all, I'm sure it would have involved taking photos and developing them. He had a real spy camera, the Minox. How did he get it without being a spy fellow. There would have been labs available for GIs posted overseas, such as the free photo lab available to GIs in Korea, where you could take your film and learn how to develop film. Even a camera and film moron such as myself developed film, in a one night setting, I had taken overseas at a free military photo lab. "How did he get it without being a spy fellow. " On reflection this is weaker than I originally thought. I was not a spy. I bought a Minox 35 mm in a "Kimchi Shop" in a rural village. It was different from the usual pictures showing a Minox. It had a featureless aluminum case that slid open to show the controls.

Which one is the Trinity Building or is that different from the Dal-Tex and the TSBD. Can't find any info on Google for the Trinity Building.

So, Sam Pate has nothing to do with what the witnesses saw or heard directly after the shooting: 1. Welcome Barnett 2. James Worrell 3. Richard Carr 4. Sandra Styles 5. Vickie Adams 6. James Romack 7. George Rackley What he saw happened after the assassination at 4, 5 or 5 to 10 minutes later. That doesn't make him irrelevant but his testimony is for about 5 minutes after the assassination and can't be compared to the other witnesses. William Weston in A Man In A Dark Sports Coat has a discussion of Romack. He says: The pedestrians near the TSBD were either falling to the ground or scattering. Conspicuous among them was the distinctive blue uniform of a policeman running along the sidewalk. He was headed towards the back area of the building. Romack told the FBI that he saw the policeman "within a minute" after the shooting.6 When he testified before the WC, he used the words "just immediately after."7 Since the meaning of the word "immediately" has some elasticity, we can thus conclude that the policeman was seen during a time period of not more than 60 seconds after the shooting. “im·me·di·ate·ly (i m"Æd" it l"), adv. 1. without lapse of time; without delay; instantly; at once: Please telephone him immediately. 2. with no object or space intervening.” “af·ter (afÆtÃr, äfÆ-), prep. 1. behind in place or position; following behind: men lining up one after the other. 2. later in time than; in succession to; at the close of: Tell me after supper. Day after day he came to work late.” I use these Random House Dictionary definitions to help clear up misunderstandings with others on what the words "after" and "immediately" mean. So, the words used by Weston and others really are misleading with their usage of "after" or "immediately". The double use of after and immediately leaves absolutely no distance between an event and what occurred next. This notion is important when looking at the 50 witnesses who said something different then the main story of the events in Dealey Plaza. William Weston more than likely made a mistake associating Welcome Barnett with Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles. "Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles had been on the fourth floor, watching the parade from one of the windows.10 They heard gunfire as JFK's car disappeared behind a tree. To learn what happened, they ran down the back stairs and went out the back door. Adams estimated that she and her friend were going outside about a minute after the shooting. They were stopped by a policeman. "Get back into the building," he said. "But I work here," Adams pleaded. "That is tough, get back." "Well, was the president shot?" "I don't know. Go back." The two women obeyed, yet they complied not by returning the way they came, but rather by going all the way around the west side to reenter the TSBD through the front entrance--talking to people along the way. Technically, they were disregarding the instructions of a police officer, and Barnett should have stopped them, but he must have had too many other things on his mind than to chase two young ladies determined to satisfy their curiosity. His main worry was the front entrance. As he looked in that direction, he saw police officers and sheriff's deputies all running towards the Triple Underpass. No one seemed to realize that shots came from the building itself, putting Barnett in a quandary. Should he stay in place and hope that another officer would do likewise at the front door? Or should he, Barnett, go to the front door and alert someone to take his vacated back door spot? He decided on the latter and ran toward the front of the building. Vickie Adams said something different. She was in the railroad yards and not close to Welcome Barnett who was 20 feet from the NE corner of the TSBD. She said: It is interesting that Shelley and Lovelady say nothing when Adams says the President has been shot. It appears they already knew. Gloria Calvert had told them. Adams says this is within a minute of the shooting. It contradicts the story of Shelley and Lovelady immediately going toward the Grassy Knoll. But, this has been discussed before. Basically, Lovelady says in his Sheriff Office statement of 11-22-63 that he and Shelley went back into the building. Later that day he said to the FBI that he and Shelley "immediately after" the shooting chased the presidential limousine until it sped away. Then they went back into the building. The time element is important here. Did their chase of the limo last not that long and they returned to the TSBD to be met by Vickie Adams within a minute of the assassination? In his WC testimony Lovelady says: Mr. Lovelady. Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or — she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn’t know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen started running out that way and we said we better get back into the building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building. They went as far as the first tracks. They should have seen Victoria Adams there. Say Adams was there within 1 to 2 minutes. That might be the same time frame as Shelley and Lovelady who first talked to Gloria Calvert. Lovelady said he was there for 1 to 1 1/2 minutes. Here is something strange and alien to their story: Mr. Ball. You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before Gloria Calvary came up? Mr. Lovelady. Oh, approximately 3 minutes, I would say. Mr. Ball. Three minutes is a long time. Mr. Lovelady. Yes, it’s — I say approximately; I can’t say because I don’t have a watch ; it could. Mr. Ball. Had people started to run? 339 Mr. Lovelady. Well, I couldn’t say because she came up to us and we was talking to her, wasn’t looking that direction at that time, but when we came off the steps — see, that entrance, you have a blind side when you go down the steps. Mr. Ball. Right after you talked to Gloria, did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks? Mr. Lovelady. Yes. Mr. Ball. Did you run or walk? Mr. Lovelady. Medium trotting or fast walk. Mr. Ball. A fast walk? Mr. Lovelady. Yes. This reads as if Lovelady goofed and is making it up as he goes along with the story that the WC interrogator wanted. They then ran to the railroad tracks. How long did that take? Well, the Couch/Darnell film shows that that it at least 30 seconds after the shooting when they begin their run to the railroad yards. Lovelady is actually denying here that he saw Adams inside the building within 1 minute of the shooting. He is also denying that he entered the back of the TSBD (north face). Not seeing Adams and Styles there in the railroad yards might imply that Lovelady and Shelley were not there. Lovelady said he was there for 1 to 1 1/2 minutes. So, he could have seen Adams there. The policeman who stopped Adams and Lovelady may have been one of the Smith officers. Both said they went to the Grassy Knoll and railroad yards after the shooting. What Lovelady describes here probably happened 1 to 2 minutes after the shooting. Later on Vickie Adams says she didn't talk to Shelley and Lovelady as she left the building. Once again it is a question of who do you believe. And, that is prime Dealey Plaza witness statements and descriptions of events.

Thanks Paul, No one has said anything about that and I was curious. I've added Sam Pate to my list that saw or knew something about the north side of the TSBD and North Houston.

Just one more question or two. Did Rackley or Romack see anyone enter the building from the rear or north face? Did Barnett say anything about anyone entering the building? Did Worrell say anything about anyone entering the building? List of witnesses who knew something about what happened at the rear of the TSBD and on North Houston. 1. Welcome Barnett 2. James Worrell 3. Richard Carr 4. Sandra Styles 5. Vickie Adams 6. James Romack 7. George Rackley 8. Sam Pate The thing about George Rackley and James Romack is they did not sign their WC statements. The bold, honest, and upright interrogators of the WC could have had them saying anything without challenge. Billy Lovelady initially said he entered the building after his walk down into the railroad yards at the rear of the building the north face. Bill Shelley who was with Lovelady said he reentered the building from the west face doors. Billy Lovelady corrected his testimony after some confusion by Mr. Ball to say the same as Shelley.

Let's see. President Kennedy was shot in the head how many times? 1. Shot in the left temple 2. Shot in the right temple 3. Shot in the right forehead near the hairline 4. Shot from the back with blows out the side and top of his skull 5. Shot from the front which blows out the rear of his skull Isn't this a bit ridiculous? If this is true then would there be any skull left? Can you see the artwork? Where is most of JFK's head? It's just my opinion which has about as much weight as anyone's opinion is that No. 3 and No. 5 are the head wounds.

I don't think I have seen a piece of wood as thin as paper about 1/32 of an inch or less. It is a paper bag. The manufactured one. The bag has been folded several times. Steve Thomas' question is a good one. Paper doesn't weigh much but, it does have weight. Enough weight to collapse the bag after being folded. If you look at Montgomery's hands they don't seem to be positioned to hold the bag upright or in my opinion even hold the bag. In the right hand photo, what is he holding on to in the back of the bag? The same goes for the left hand photo.

If this is Capt. Fritz then he appears to be carrying a shotgun. The real question is what did he do with the shotgun when he left the building? Not impossible to hand it off to an inferior to take back to the police station. Of course this is speculation.

The Mauser described by Roger Craig has some superficial resemblances to the Mannlicher Carcano. The Remington Model 8 does not resemble the Mauser or Mannlicher. The weapon in the photo with Lt. Day is allegedly the same one he shows holding above his head in a photo on the 6th floor, I believe. Here are photos of the rifles and in some cases the Mauser and Mannlicher look the pretty much the same except for clip magazines. Oswald supposedly had the carbine version which is a shorter rifle than the Mauser or some Mannlichers. Featured below is a 7.65 Mauser and below that is various Mannlichers. I have my doubts on that being the same Mannlicher as the one shown by Lt. Day on the 6th floor. I'll have to look up my notes and photos on that. The doubt comes mainly from the position of the scope on the rifle. Others have spoke of this too. Day may have been photographed holding another Mannlicher in another photo in which the scope appears to be in a different position. Not to sure of this. I'll have to find the notes and photos I reviewed some time back.

It is easy to misread the statement on the short crop from his 3-6-64 statement to the FBI. Is he on the MKT loading docks immediately 125 yards behind the TSBD or is he on the loading docks immediately behind the TSBD, meaning the TSBD’s loading docks. Or, it could be the FBI formulating disinformation. Let’s concede he was on the MKT loading docks 125 (375 feet away) yards away from the TSBD. According to his statements here he talked to a policeman that was probably Welcome Barnett and told him he would watch the back of the TSBD. That would be hard to do if he was on the MKT loading docks 125 yards away. Welcome Barnett only went about 20 feet past the NE corner of the TSBD. Romack said he didn’t leave the loading docks. Did they shout at each other with megaphones? Or, was he really at the loading docks of the TSBD or nowhere at all in the vicinity of the TSBD or the MKT loading docks? Welcome Barnett at the WC interrogation: “Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do when you concluded that the shots were coming from that building? Mr. BARNETT - I ran to the back of the building. Mr. LIEBELER - Ran down Houston Street? Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner? Mr. BARNETT - It is around the corner from Houston Street. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you go in the building? Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; I didn't get close to it, because I was watching for a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I was looking for a fire escape, and I didn't pay much attention to the door. I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see, the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down. Mr. LIEBELER - Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building, you looked up and you didn't see any windows open. You thought they had been fired from the top of the building? Mr. BARNETT - That's right. Mr. LIEBELER - So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire escape? Mr. BARNETT - I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up. I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the building. “ Romack gives a better description of his behavior in his WC testimony on April 8, 1964: “Mr. BELIN. You said you started walking away. Where did you walk? Mr. ROMACK..Toward the School Book Depository Building. Mr. BELIN. Along what street did you walk? Mr. ROMACK. Well, it wouldn't be no street at the time. Mr. BELIN. Well, if there would be a street? Mr. ROMACK. I guess it would be just about, I don't know whether they are going to split Ross and Houston Street up. Mr. BELIN. Would you be looking straight at Houston Street? Mr. ROMACK. More or less. I would be looking at Houston Street; yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. All right, and what happened as you were walking? 279 731-222 0---64---vol. VI 19 Mr. ROMACK. I heard these three rifle shots sound out. Mr. BELIN. Did you know they were rifle shots?” Mr. Romack on 3-6-64 said he did not leave the area of the MKT docks and heard 3 shots. And, just a month later at the WC hearing of 4-8-64 he says something different. He was walking towards the TSBD when he heard the shots. Is he believable? I don’t think so. This is a FBI plant to say no one left the TSBD by the rear entrances.