Ron Bulman

Kind of like Nagell and possibly others may have used Hidell?

I should probably read the reviews at amazon for perspective before posting but I thought I'd read somewhere (maybe on this site?) that "The Brothers" gives Allen and John Foster at least somewhat of a fawning treatment. Not that this would necessarily preclude it from still being informative.

No, night vision goggles were either not invented back then or at least not available to hunters or the general public otherwise. No, I, as a hunter earlier in life since the age of 14 have never shot at a deer in the dark. That was not an issue in the statements. They say it was after daylight, that is questionable. New England, 6-6:30 AM in November? I was not the 22 year old son of a state trooper (but was of a military veteran) but I was taught to not shoot at anything you could not clearly identify as a deer clearly enough to see where you wanted to place your shot. I think I'll order this in the morning for perspective on Sullivan himself. https://www.amazon.com/Bureau-thirty-years-Hoovers-FBI/dp/0393012360/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499318688&sr=8-1&keywords=the+bureau+my+thirty+year

Suspicion 40 years ago in 1977, never sufficiently answered, worthy of further question. https://isgp-studies.com/miscellaneous/death_list/data/1977_11_Bill_Sullivan_death_FBI_hatchet_man_for_Hoover_suspected_of_JFK_RFK_MLK_assassination_involvement.pdf This is interesting too, even considering the source. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sullivan.htm It makes me wonder. The 22 year old son of a state trooper went straight to the nearby Chief of Police's house and walked into his bedroom. Chief Gary Young "I woke up to a disturbance in my bedroom, a Young Boy." "saw a motion through my scope, I saw brown, I saw a flicker of white, I'm Not Sure What It Really Was, it moved I squeezed my trigger. Cardinal rule of hunting, you don't shoot without a clear shot you can identify exactly what you are shooting and Where you want to place your shot. 22 year old experienced hunter son of a state trooper would know this. From Hit List, pg. 207 "During the year before the accident I saw about fifteen or twenty deer," he said. "I didn't shoot at any of them because I didn't think it was the right shooting time. I consider myself a sportsman, not a person who goes out to kill as many deer as he can". 587. Further in his statement, "dragged him out of the woods and (then) started CPR, drove to Gary Young's house. I got him out of bed. He made the necessary phone calls. A bit of a caviler end to a brief statement. $500 fine, no hunting license for 10 years. Sullivan, as former chief of Division Five, investigator of the JFK assassination was forced to resign by Hoover. "The main figure in the FBI involved in the Executive Action program" 'William Sullivan's goal was to testify before the public HSCA hearings and lay his cards on the table, so to speak. (by) 'Veteran CIA officer Leutrell Osbourene, also investigated the matter." "He told his friend Robert Novak, Someday you will read I have been killed in an accident, but don't believe it; I've been murdered" Autopsy says shot in the throat, a lucky accident? The smallest primary target on a human torso. Elsewhere said in the back. To paraphrase another FBI agent, He was a knowledgeable experienced hunter, (not to mention an experienced intelligence operative), who would not have exposed himself that way.

Thank you for qualifying sir. Please continue with elucidation regarding the mock trial. A serious attempt at an approximation of the circumstances by qualified individuals is appreciated by some.

"The power elite learned their lesson" Yes Sir they did. They bought up the rest of the Press. While Operation Mockingbird heavily influenced the National Press most mid and smaller market newspapers and TV stations were owned by local millionaires or less at the time. The bigger MSM picture of today makes me consider how ownership of it all by half a dozen corporations (e.g. Disney) by the .01% of us influences current perceptions/interpretations of previous events.

6-8 months ago I asked my 24 year old high school teacher daughter if she had ever heard of Kent State. No. Some history is ignored in high school and most college courses. I physically blocked her view of her cell phone to get her to pay attention to parts of this (with my open hand). Neil Young, an illegal at the time Canadian immigrant wrote the song after reading and seeing images in a newspaper, then on TV. Within about 24 hours. It was recorded and on the air within 72 hours. No video or internet support but highly requested from dj's. https://www.bing.com/search?q=crosby+stills+nash+and+young+ohio&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=ad25c23c830e47ec8a6f4fbdd8789d73&sp=-1&pq=crosby+stills+nash+and+young+ohio&sc=10-33&qs=n&sk=&cvid=ad25c23c830e47ec8a6f4fbdd8789d73 Me Lai would probably result in me what or me who?

Paul, Harvey's (no pun intended) wife's statements are interesting. http://jfkfacts.org/cia-widow-denounced-jfk-jackie-and-rfk-then-she-expressed-love-for-a-gangster/

"so mysterious that the CIA would not even acknowledge he existed to the HSCA". So, someone at the HSCA suspected something or they wouldn't have asked the CIA about him? Your words made me think about his "heart attack" happening in 78, while the HSCA was trying to get other people to testify that had heart attacks before they could as well as others from natural causes, accidents, shootings and suicides. They also prompted me to look through NEXUS. Pg. 185. "In 1975 Morales retired (his paperwork suggest that the retirement was "involuntary") and eventually moved his family into a highly secure and remote ranch in southern Arizona. In 1978, he fell ill and died suddenly of a heart attack following a trip to Washington D.C. His lawyer and friend Bob Walton, had asked him why he spent so much money on alarm systems and other home security - was it because his remote home was only 30 miles from the Mexican border? Morales replied, 'I'm not worried about those people. I'm worried about my own'. Morales old colleague and former head of the AMOT's...Tony Sforza , also died of a sudden hear attack some six months after Morales." I forget what page but it also mentions him making statements to others about his personal involvement in the capture of Che. Given his hatred of JFK maybe he was somewhere on site on 11/22.

Mc Adams article does not address the question. Six upper level FBI agents, all with specific connections to the investigation of JFK's assassination died in a six month period (6/77-11/77), all scheduled at the time to testify before the House Sub Committee on Assassinations. Some say seven if you include Regis Kennedy's heart attack in 78 the day before he was to testify. Four heart attacks including him, a fall at home, natural causes after a lengthy illness (what illness?), mistaken for a deer and shot in the throat by an experienced hunter(subject for a different post). This explains it better. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hsca+fbi+agent+deaths&view=detail&mid=715EC49F091324DFEA10715EC49F091324DFEA10&FORM=VIRE The odds of this happening seemed suspicious the first time I read about it. Mathematician Richard Charnin says if 20 agents were called to testify and 5 had heart attacks, two had accidents (for example) those odds would be one in 190 trillion. http://whokilledjfk.net/strange_fbi_deaths.htm If you want to address the odds regarding the bigger picture Mc Adams attempts to address Mr. Charnin does that as well. In a fashion even a non scientist like me can understand. https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-Science-Conspiracy-mathematical-disinformation/dp/1502715996/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498972558&sr=1-6&keywords=richard+charnin

Other than a few quotes I'd never read Chomsky until a few days after this years inauguration. A few weeks after last year's election I started looking for something more informative than what the MSM offered regarding how we had gotten to the point that what happened happened.. I came across Chris Hedges "Unspeakable", a pretty devastating and depressing analysis. Of course I came across Chomsky in my search. On January 20 during the inauguration in an act of frustration and rebellion I ordered three of his books in an effort to find something as far left of the right as I could. I waded through two of the three. He does make one think. My naivety regarding some of the subjects was improved upon. I did come across comments about the JFK assassination which I disagreed with and questioned. This, and I can't find the right word, a feeling of being preached at as opposed to informed of (?) have left me lacking desire to finish the third book. Not to get political here but I ultimately have found some enlightenment in the following books. https://www.amazon.com/Ratf-ked-Your-Doesnt-Count/dp/1631493213/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498877764&sr=1-1&keywords=ratfuked As editor of Salon the author made a big step trying to fill the shoes of founder/former editor David Talbot (Brothers, The Devi's Chessboard). https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0307947904/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498878130&sr=1-1&keywords=dark+money+jane+mayer+paperback New Yorker writer responds to Koch Bros. attack on personal credibility and prior article stunningly. Not just me, 5 stars, Over 1500 reviews. https://www.amazon.com/Captured-Corporate-Infiltration-American-Democracy/dp/1620972077/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498878677&sr=1-1&keywords=captured+sheldon+whitehouse Billionaire 1% owned Corporate Americas takeover via Citizens United explained from the inside of our political system in detail passionately and Patriotically by the eloquent Senator from Rode Island. Highly under read based on the number of reviews. (I've not read NYT/WaPo reviews of it).

http://www.prouty.org/mcadams/ Factoid's, ad hominem attacks. I've made the mistake of trying to present logic to the de frocked professor over on JFK facts more than once. I seriously wonder if he wasn't a paid operative of Operation Mockingbird. I believe it's been noted he was funded in part by one the Koch supported fronts.

Thank you Jim. Not to detract from the focus of the topic of this thread but maybe supplement it, readers interested in "The American Media" might also find this film of interest. https://www.thesearchersfilm.com/ I hope to watch both in the not too distant future.

Does the film ever mention Operation Mockingbird or the current ownership of All the Main Stream Media by the 0.01%?

Ernie, given your knowledge regarding the FBI I wonder if you might share any thoughts regarding the deaths of the (?) six upper level agents in (?) 6 months shortly before the HSCA. I Think I've read some of them at least, had connections to the investigation of the JFK assassination. A experienced kayaker drowned in still water? One shot by a neighbor's son in a hunting accident? Two heart attacks. A fall at home. Is any of that close to right? All just coincidence?

Lemnitzer, Lansdale, Le May, someone held sway that day over or within the military. Something I've not seen mentioned anywhere in a while; U S army soldiers were prepared and ready to leave Fort Hood, North of Austin early that morning to protect their Commander in Chief that day in Dallas. This was not unusual, pictures and I believe video can be or used to could be found on the internet of armed soldiers in parade dress lining parade routes facing the crowds in previous JFK parades. Someone ordered these soldiers to stand down. Their immediate commander was incensed and protested, he was ordered to stand down himself. From memory, maybe even as far back as Crossfire 1. I'm not making it up or dreaming.

Thanks for the link Chris. Mary Ferrell is an amazing site, Kudos to Mr. Russ. Even though I've been frustrated looking for info there before, there is a Lot to look at. Debra Conway's 10 year old article is the best concise chronological summary of named people in the CIA and JFK administration regarding Cuba I've never seen before. The MF bio on Morales made me think, "died of a heart attack"? I thought I'd read he got sick at home in Arizona and was taken to the hospital where access to his room was prohibited by guards (county/state/federal? I don't remember if it was specified) except for very immediate family. I still do believe I read something of this but can't remember where. Prevention of a death bed confession was my point of curiosity. Maybe something more informative than Howard Hunt's? So I started looking for corroboration I've not yet found and wound up in "Someone Would Have Talked" by Larry Hancock. The JFK assassination is so deep, so wide, so many subjects. It's amazing what one can read and then forget over just seven years. This thread made me refresh my memory. If you've not read chapter 8 it's worth the price of the book by itself if your interested in David Morales. It goes a lot deeper than this thread. In addition to Roselli he knew Joe Fish. His best friend was amazed by the number of men in dark suits and sunglasses who attended his funeral. Tip of the iceberg.

If Army is interpreted as Military overall and you step up a level from Lansdale to someone who Might be entrusted with knowledge to ensure that aspect was controlled for say a Harriman or David Rockefeller you might consider General Curtis Le May. Conveniently out of pocket, maybe out of the country over the border in Canada at the time of the assassination. Yet reportedly in Bethesda at the autopsy. Hated JFK. Had wanted a reason for a first strike nuclear attack on the ruskie's for years. He could have guaranteed any necessary air strikes world wide at a minimum. Dr. Strangelove meets Seven Day's in May. What ever happened regarding the missing Air force One tapes. Were they communicating with him? http://jfkfacts.org/a-note-on-curtis-lemays-actions-on-nov-22/ http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-air-force-one-radio-tapes-update.html

If I may clarify the above. Just from what I've read that others have dug up. I don't think Morales would allow himself to be as close to the assassination site as the TSBD, he seems a bit above that operational level. That he might be involved in the set up and supervision of such an operation is at least conceivable given his area of expertise. As it is accepted by some that LHO didn't do it. A conspiracy that someone planned the physical operation of. Some have suggested, for example, Bill Harvey provided Corsican assassin's. Somebody provided them with, accommodation, transport, positioning, rehearsal (?), protection, escape??? Corsicans, Cubans, MIC. Somebody with expertise in such affairs would have walked Dealy Plaza and the surrounding area, maybe after normal working hours to attract less attention (?). They would have driven the route multiple times. They would have had after hours access to the Texas School Book Depository well in advance to inspect, plan, and set up. They might have even set up diversions (like a shot or two from the sixth floor?). If Morales participated in such and possibly watched the operation, maybe it was from a little further afar. Say the Postal Annex, all the way across Elm, Main and Continental, the whole of Dealy Plaza. Postal Inspector Holmes did so, with binoculars. If I remember right the building did house military offices in addition to other government offices (as did the Post office in New Orleans!). He did reportedly said "WE got hat SOB". Sometime later, he felt sick, went home to (?) Arizona(?), was taken to the hospital, no one was allowed to see him, and he died if memory serves me. Can anyone discredit or add to support of this supposition?

If the couch was on the East wall and the drapes were open Ruth would have seen the officers approaching the porch from the driveway and walkway and stepping up on it as she would have been looking South West at the TV front door closed or not. As it stands we have two officers, one from the DPD, one from the County Sherriff's Office saying Ruth met them at the open door and invited them in. But Ruth says she answered the closed door when the bell rang. Well, if she's lying about having Mikey and Ozzie move the couch she might be lying here too. I forget her comments on what she said when she opened the door about inviting them in / "been expecting you". Interesting that the questioning after answering the closed door changes to the lawn...

Larry, David and Ernie, Thank You.

Mr. Hancock, as I'm still new here... When you mention counter intelligence are you referring to Angleton and co. ? I've seen reference to Division 5 before but really know nothing about what you and Mr. Andrews are getting at. Is a brief synopsis too much to ask (any detail would be appreciated as well)? (I have SWHT and Nexus if they have any bearing I'm forgetting) P.S. Who's Ernie?

Imagery of the horror of the war for both sides was deeper than anything before or since. From taped video on the nightly news to Life and Time magazines pictures it changed public opinion. They and the newspaper were the only sources of information at the time for the few who cared to read. No IPhone or Internet, until the pictures and video tape, in magazines and on tv. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441235/Historic-images-Vietnam-War-courageous-AP-photographers. http://time.com/3841060/iconic-vietnam-war-photos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3zNJ9yTdJY Take the time to watch all 17 minutes of the last one in full screen. Only seen it myself for the first time tonight.

Outstanding picture, that at least I've never seen. Thank you sir. I counted what look like possibly 7 SSA's, maybe it's less, maybe I'm missing some. Could they have stopped a John Hinkley Jr in a crowd like that?

It didn't have to be Dulles setting up the Paine's personally per se. It is entirely possible, some might say probable, that he could have suggested their use given his knowledge of and about them. It is even more reasonable to think somebody in the CIA realized Ruth's sister worked for them, her dad had been in the OSS and worked for AID. That Michael's step dad in essence invented the most useful Bell helicopter and that he already had a security clearance working there. We already know that de Morenschildt had contact with CIA agent J Walton Moore in Dallas, documented. I believe I've read GDM said in later years he would never have contacted Oswald without Moore's authorization or (?) suggestion to do so. George later hands off the Oswasld's to the sister of a current Cia employee and daughter of a former OSS agent and gets the hell out of town. Might someone, Dulles influenced or not, have suggested to Moore that he, an associate or employee contact Ruth and or Michael in regards to helping the good old USA keep an eye on the activities of a recently returned Russian defector and his Russian wife? Especially such a woman who spoke Russian? This might help explain Michael's attendance of both left and right wing gatherings in Dallas. As well as Ruth's trip to see her sister and others in the summer of 63 them pick up Marina and (unknowingly) the rifle (?) in New Orleans. And those files in the garage on Castro reporters. Maybe the Paine's didn't have a "need to know" who was using them and how. By the time they "both knew who was really responsible" they realized it was time to only say what they were told to. Harvey deserves a separate post.