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Paul, I'm responding to your important detailed comment in red (below.) Paul Brancato wrote: William - we went back and forth about this 4 years ago. Not sure which thread or discussion you're referencing here, Paul. Link? In general, I have been reluctant to comment on 9/11 on the JFKA forum, except in response to blatantly false claims posted by others. Like you I had to revisit everything, your current FBI report links included. Paul, please recall that I didn't start this thread. I only posted some references and comments during the course of the thread to correct some disinformation. The evidence that the Israelis were setting up to film the event is flimsy, whereas the evidence that they filmed and celebrated after it began is strong. They were clearly happy. The evidence of foreknowledge relies on one witness who says they were in place at 8am. They said on Israeli television in November of 2001 that they were there to "document the event." They appeared to be celebrating the WTC demolitions with cigarette lighters (in the FBI photos.) Their boss, Dominick Suter, fled the country after their arrest on 9/11. Then there is the question of phone calls made to Jews who worked at the W.)stoTC. First, you’ve dropped your view on Al Franken admitting he got a warning call from Ed Koch, at least I hope so. That was definitely sarcasm. Can you imagine otherwise? He wrote that in his book. See Ron Ecker's post (above) about the 9/11 Israeli Odigo message story. Is it true? The developer Silverstein not being there because of a dentist appointment Larry Silverstein, apparently, skipped his daily breakfast meeting in the WTC on 9/11 because of a dermatology appointment. That's all I know about that subject. What I do know about Silverstein is that his buildings, WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7, were demolished by explosives on 9/11, after being hit by the two planes. That scientific data is quite clear. Who put the explosives in the buildings? Silverstein collected $4.5 billion in insurance, and no forensic arson investigation was ever conducted. He was never interviewed by Phillip Zelikow's 9/11 Commission, nor were multiple witnesses who described serial explosions and liquefied steel "flowing like a foundry" during the demolitions of the Twin Towers. Burning jet fuel cannot liquefy steel. Period.

Ruh roh... Ben Cole's favorite "patriot purge" agent provocateur, Ray Epps, is suing Fox News... 🙄 Ray Epps Suing Fox News For Defamation Over Jan 6 Theory (mediaite.com)

Anthony, Here's a YouTube clip that includes footage of; 1) the lady in New Jersey who called the cops after watching the five "dancing" Israelis film and celebrate the WTC demolitions on the morning of 9/11, 2) the New Jersey cop who later arrested the five men in their white van, near Giants Stadium, and 3) the appearance of the five young men on Israeli television in November of 2001. I was wrong about one detail. You were correct about the report that the young men were actually seen "on the van." It's been a few years since I studied this stuff.

Paul, C'mon, man. Unseemly behavior? At the very least, the arrest of these five young men on 9/11 indicates that the Mossad had foreknowledge of the 9/11 op, doesn't it? How else did they know that there was going to be an "event" that they needed to "document?" And why were they celebrating the disaster, with cigarette lighters, etc. -- as the photos released by the FBI (following an FOIA lawsuit) indicate? Aren't people on this forum supposed to be intellectually curious, and knowledgeable, about military and intelligence black ops and psy ops-- including the CIA "Operation Mockingbird" phenomenon in our M$M? Why would critically important stories like the arrest of these five young "dancing" Israelis on 9/11, and the obvious expert demolition of WTC7, have been completely blacked out of the U.S. mainstream media for the past 22 years? The 9/11 evidence is "unspeakable" in America-- unmentionable. Joseph McBride pointed out during the Spike Lee censorship incident a while ago that 9/11 is the ultimate third rail in modern American journalism. It's off limits-- other than M$M propaganda tropes denigrating 9/11 "conspiracy theorists." Even on this very thread, Allen Lowe has accused 9/11 researchers of being "Nazis"-- which, incidentally, is a violation of Education Forum policy. And Michael Griffith has repeatedly referred to the scientists, scholars, and engineers in the 9/11 research community as "nutty," nutcases," etc. With impunity. Something is terribly wrong here. It's analogous to the denigration of Jim Garrison and JFK "truthers" in the years following JFK's murder, only worse.

Allen, Go back and study the references on this thread about the arrest and 70 day FBI detentions of the five Israelis. No one said they were dancing "on top" of vans. Witnesses in NJ called the police after seeing them filming and celebrating the WTC demolitions, before driving away in a white van. They were later arrested, in the van, near Giants Stadium, and held in FBI custody for 70 days, before being released to Israel. They later appeared on Israeli television, and said that they were filming the WTC demolitions to "document the event." The five young men were working for a company in Weehawken, NJ called Urban Moving Systems. Their boss, Dominick Suter, allegedly a Mossad agent, fled to Israel after the five young men were arrested on 9/11.

Michael, The only bizarre post on this thread is your debunked claim that the arrest of the five "dancing" Israelis near Giants Stadium on 9/11 is a "wingnut myth." It happened. We even know their names. Why do you persist in posting falsehoods on the subject? As for Mossad history, is it "anti-Semitic" to even mention it? That's like saying that it's "anti-American" to mention anything about the CIA. I understand that Israel has been in a dangerous predicament since 1947, but not all Israelis agree with right wing Likud Party military ops-- just as not all Americans agree with CIA and U.S. military ops. Menachem Begin and his Irgun associates dressed up like Arabs when they blew up the King David Hotel. Mossad agents did the same thing in the Lavon Affair. It's part of history, and this is a history forum.

Steve, David A. Graham just published an op-ed about this in today's Atlantic-- confirmation that Trump is mainly running in 2024 to stay out of prison. Here's a No Paywall link. www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-confirms-another-liberal-conspiracy-theory/ar-AA1dIRDP?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7a78614f4084468a9e633b282ad02c4d&ei=22

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"Crooked" Joe Biden? Geez... not this Trump trope again. I'm reminded of Trump's endless attacks on "Crooked" Hillary and the Clinton Foundation in 2016 -- the year before the Trump Foundation was forced to close because of massive fraud.

Yes, Kirk, it's a shame that RFK, Jr.'s important, accurate messages about the assassinations and the military industrial complex are being overshadowed in the media by his anti-vax stuff.

In the past week, Donald Trump has now vowed to, "obliterate the Deep State," and to release the JFK records, if re-elected. My question. Why doesn't Trump tell us now about the "horrible" stuff that prompted him to block the release of the JFK records in 2017? If the truth is important, why does he have to wait until 2025 to finally spill the beans? It reminds me of Trump's 2016 debate with Jeb Bush, when he said, "When I'm President, the American people are going to find out who really destroyed the World Trade Center on 9/11."

My suggestion is for the mods to set up a designated "Whining" board for these threads. Out of deference to whiners, it could be called the "Customer Service" board. 🙄

Get a clue, Karl. Biden's brain? How about Keynesian "Bidenomics" vs. Trump's multi-trillion dollar "trickle down" economic tax cut for billionaires and corporations? How did the moronic 2017 Trump tax cut work out as an economic stimulus? Trump's record low job and GDP growth numbers were even worse than George W. Bush's-- following Dubya's massive 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for billionaires. How about Biden's incentives for clean energy vs. Trump's moronic roll back of environmental regulations for Big Oil and withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accords? How about Biden's mass vaccination program vs. Trump's deadly, moronic bungling of the COVID pandemic? Do you, perchance, get your fake news from Rupert Murdoch's SKY Television?

Huh? Trump is risking his life? What planet are you living on, Karl? Trump has committed multiple serious crimes against the U.S. government and the public-- for his own benefit. And he and his Minister of Trumpaganda, Rupert Murdoch, have been pushing false M$M narratives since 2017-- blaming the "Deep State" for Trump's crimes. Trump "managing foreign policy?" So, you approve of Trump insulting our EU allies and NATO, as ordered by his KGB handler, Vlad Putin? And Trump taking bribes from the Saudis to green light the genocide in Yemen? Withdrawing from the international Iran Nuclear Disarmament Treaty and assassinating Soleimani? Withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accords? Trump taking bribes from Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer, to abandon traditional U.S. mediation of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? Everything Trump has ever done has been motivated by greed and self interest. He even violated U.S. policy goals in Ukraine in an attempt to extort dishonest, personal political favors from Zelensky.

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Yet another redundant "Biden snuff job" article on the JFKA forum today, Ben? Geez... 🙄 You're like a 5th grader who keeps shooting spitballs to see if the teacher will send him to the principal's office. At least this latest redundant July 6th article mentions the "JFK records"-- unlike the anti-Biden Atlantic article that you posted on two different "Biden snuff job" Ben Cole threads yesterday. You have, obviously, been using the "JFK records" sound byte as a pretext to post redundant anti-Biden MAGA spam on the JFKA forum, ever since the 56 Years thread was removed from the JFKA forum. But didn't Mark Knight set up a "Biden" board for you earlier this year, after you complained about criticism of the Trump cult? Shouldn't your anti-Biden MAGA spam be posted on your "Biden" board, or at your MAGA Water Cooler thread?

Hey, great news, Ben! You agree with Leslie and Robert Montenegro's critique of Trump and Rupert Murdoch's Fox/MAGA fascism in the U.S. I'm relieved to hear that you're finally getting in touch with reality, and admitting that the Trump cult has white nationalist/fascist characteristics. But do you still believe Tucker Carlson's claim that Trump's J6 attack on the U.S. Congress was a Deep State "patriot purge" op?

Ben, There are many things that seem to be "beyond you." Have you given any thought to my question from earlier this week about why Biden and Trump declined to release the remaining JFK records? Are we supposed to condemn Biden without knowing exactly why he has declined to declassify the remaining records? That makes about as much sense as your redundant Fox/MAGA posts claiming that Trump's J6 attack on Congress was a Deep State "patriot purge" op.

Ben, This is the second time today that you have posted this same Eliot Cohen Atlantic article here on the JFKA forum-- on one of your many redundant anti-Biden threads. What does this Atlantic article have to do with the JFK assassination, and why are you posting it here, instead of on your MAGA Water Cooler board, or on the Political Discussion board?

I wonder if someone in the MAGA-verse has already written a song extolling Ashli Babbitt. She laid down her life to destroy American democracy for Il Douche and his MAGA Storm Troopers.

Robert, I think the Fox/MAGA Horst Wessel is Ashli Babbitt, although, to my knowledge, Ted Nugent hasn't written a MAGA anthem about her yet. 🙄

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Well said, Leslie. And it seems like the recent, surprising Trump/Fox/MAGA interest in the JFK assassination is linked to the more general GOP propaganda campaign to discredit the Biden administration and the DOJ prosecutions of Trump and his violent J6 insurrectionists. The bogus concept is that Trump is being unfairly persecuted by the Deep State, like JFK. Using this MAGA logic, attacking the "Deep State" (Biden, Garland, etc.) is part of the MAGA denial of Trump's crimes. And Trump is even trumpeting his bold, new Flintstone-ian sales pitch about "obliterating the Deep State." Yabba Dabba Doo! 🤥 A corollary is that if RFK, Jr. started telling the truth about Trump's crimes he would abruptly become a persona non grata in the MAGA-verse.

Ben, I happen to agree with Eliot Cohen, but what does this article have to do with the JFK assassination? I understand that you want to bump your anti-Biden MAGA threads, but don't they belong at the MAGA Water Cooler, or on the Political Discussion board?

Larry, Thank you. Your inside knowledge of these details is extremely helpful. Meanwhile, it looks like Ben has been getting this week's anti-Garland tropes from the MAGA-verse.* Ben continues to provide a valuable service to the forum, by serving as the mouthpiece of the MAGA media. * Republicans Step Up Assault on the FBI July 8, 2023 at 10:16 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 14 Comments “When Merrick Garland was nominated to the US supreme court by Barack Obama, Republicans refused to grant him a hearing. Now that Garland is the top law enforcement official in America, the party seems ready to give him one after all – an impeachment hearing,” The Guardian reports. “Republicans on Capitol Hill are moving up a gear in a wide-ranging assault on the justice department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation that would have been unthinkable before the rise of Donald Trump. The party that for half a century claimed the mantle of law and order has, critics say, become a cult of personality intent on discrediting and dismantling institutions that get in Trump’s way.”