Pete Mellor

Joe, my son has asked me that question, so too others who have learned of my interest in the assassination. My answer:- "Well it certainly wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald. Nobody knows who was responsible, but Federal and Intelligence agencies covered up truths. The same applies to the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy, with the same Federal and Intelligence fingerprints."

Diana Spencer, sure. JFK?! Nah.

Professor Alan Lichtman of American University Washington DC, who has correctly predicted the US election results since Kennedy gives the 2020 victory to the Democrats.

As stated in previous posts Vince, I have contacted Bart (the dedicated Mr K) to arrange a DPUK presentation on Zoom sometime prior to the publication of 'Honest Answers'. He is busy at this time with putting Malcolm Blunt's filing cabinet contents on line, but we hope to arrange something early 2021.

Hey Joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand? Your post on Mercer caused me to re-visit Mercer's story & that is when I came across Murphy's statements which I had not read before. I agree it sounds weird and typical of many cops statements, "He couldn't recall the name of the company to whom this truck belonged". Maybe it would be possible to have one truck push another, just a few feet down a slight slope to bump start one with a flat battery, but to choose between Mercer and Murphy's accounts I still go with Mercer. Yet, even with the nefarious and rabid right wing contingents of the D.P.D., considering the back up of traffic caused by this obstruction providing witnesses like Julia Ann Mercer, I've always thought it sloppy to deliver an assassination rifle to the knoll in this way, especially when access to the rail yards was possible for any vehicle.

Not just tragic, but very suspicious....like the safe driving record of a certain taxi driver killed in a head on crash in '65 or the suspected 'sideswiped' vehicle driven by the supervisor of a railroad tower in '66.

JOE MURPHY, Patrolman, Traffic Division, Police Department, Dallas, Texas, advised that on November 22, 1963, he was stationed at the Triple Underpass on Elm Street to assist in handling traffic. At approximately 10:30-10:40 AM, a pickup truck stalled on Elm Street between Houston Street and the underpass. He was unable to recall the name of the company to whom this truck belonged but stated it is the property of the company working on the First National Bank Building at Elm and Akard in Dallas. There were three construction men in this truck, and he took one to the bank building to obtain another truck in order to assist in moving the stalled one. The other two men remained with the pickup truck along with two other officers. Shortly prior to the arrival of the motorcade, the man he had taken to the bank building returned with a second truck, and all three of the men left with the two trucks, one pushing the other. MURPHY noted that the men did not leave the truck except for the one he took to the bank building, and all three left together sometime prior to the arrival of the President's motorcade. He described the stalled truck as being a green pickup and noted the truck had the hood raised during the time it was stalled. This truck had side tool bins on it, and they had a considerable amount of construction equipment in the back. MURPHY futher stated it was probable that one of these men had taken something from the rear of this truck in an effort to start it. He stated these persons were under observation all during the period they were stalled on Elm Street because the officers wanted the truck moved prior to the arrival of the motorcade, and it would have been impossible for any of them to have had anything to do with the assassination of President KENNEDY.

On 8th September, 1967, Shirley Martin's oldest daughter, Victoria, who had accompanied her mother to Dallas to interview witnesses, was with her friend Candy in a VW Beetle, that was "sideswiped" by another car. Candy died the next day but Victoria, who sustained twenty-four broken bones in the crash, lingered for four days before dying of her injuries. After the death of her daughter Shirley Martin gave up research into the assassination of JFK. Certainly agree, Kelin's book is a must.

Doug, I thought the lecture was just par for the course, with errors in the commentary & some bogus statements too.

Phwor Joe! B.J. is P.M. of Gt. Britain. Call him England's P.M. over here & you risk Celtic spears hurtling over the wall.

Richard Nixon:- "I was there on the morning when the decision on Lebanon was made. I was there when Trieste was decided. I was there when the decisions on Iran, all these others that have kept the peace and kept it without surrender, and, my friends, this I know-that America at this time cannot afford to use the White House as a training ground to give experience to somebody at the expense of the United States of America." John F. Kennedy:- "What Mr Nixon doesn't understand is that the President of the United States, Mr Eisenhower, is not the candidate. You've seen those elephants in the circus, with ivory in their heads-you know how they travel around the circus, by grabbing the tail of the elephant in front of them. That was all right in 1952 and in 1956. Mr Nixon hung on tight; but now Mr Nixon meets the people. The choice is not President Eisenhower; the choice is whether the people of this country want the leadership of Mr Nixon and the Republican party, a party that's never stood for progress. To show how desperate and despicable this campaign has become: they're hanging, outside defense plants, a poster which says 'Jack Kennedy is after your job.' I'm after Mr Eisenhower's job." Robert Kennedy:- "I think that the most important part of the campaign was the debates, and, I think, the first debate particularly. President Kennedy spent two days preparing for it. He went over questions and possible answers and over his opening statement. Nixon had built up, during the campaign, the idea that he was the only one who could stand up to Khrushchev, that a man of maturity was needed. That first debate indicated that not only could John Kennedy stand up to Nixon, he could better him, and so it destroyed the whole basis of Mr Nixon's campaign in one night. I think that was extremely important also in giving President Kennedy exposure to 70 million Americans, which he could never have received otherwise." Quotes from 'John Fitzgerald Kennedy....As We Remember Him' (1966)

Malcolm X, RFK & MLK in many forms repeated Dallas in just a few years. Although proof is lacking, killings like John Lennon's raise suspicions, especially when looking at Chapman's background, which could have similarities to Sirhan. The 60's music scene, like film, was also 'a most impactful form of propaganda' that posed a threat to the establishment. It is believed that CIA was involved with Operation Chaos and initiated the drug bust against the Stones. Jimi Hendrix's manager was military Intell. Yeah, most people don't look at these things that way.....the ones who do are wacko conspiracy theorists! "Those that are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed by the masses." Plato.

On this side of the pond Dealey Plaza U.K. lost researchers Ian Griggs & Mathew Smith in 2019.

Yeah, who knows? Not sure how you tap a phone through a mains fuse box but maybe it is possible in U.S. Nurse Dallas was privy to family discussions of various topics in Palm Beach and Hyannis, but she writes nothing that relates to any family revelations concerning JFK's assassination. I think RFK was too wide to reveal assassination theories over the phone, and if the family ever discussed the topic it was in private.

David, apologies for the delay in replying....been away on a holiday. Knoxville. It was 17th May '63 to be exact, a potential assassination attempt caused JFK to cancel a pre-arranged trip to Knoxville, Tennessee. Instead, JFK made an impromptu visit on the 18th of May to Nashville, where he rode in a motorcade to Vanderbilt University to deliver a speech. After that he visited Gov. Frank Clement at the governors mansion. Details are sketchy, but somewhere between the mansion and the helicopter landing site at Overton High School, a man approached Kennedy with a hand gun hidden under a sack. It's not known if JFK was in his limousine at the time. The Governor witnessed the incident and the capture of the perp by the Secret Service. Again, nothing more is known of this man. The Secret Service requested that the Governor keep the incident out of the press for fear it would lead to more assassination attempts! (Vince P. also knows nothing more of this incident or of the man involved. I believe the story comes from Gov. Clements son.)

Yeah Richard another weird account, in a case of so many weird ones! They were supposedly developing assassination photos for DPD & FBI. At that time on the 22nd a BYP with no figure wouldn't be so profound. But I agree, I take a lot of these with more than a pinch of salt.

What to make of Jim Marrs' report from Robert & Patricia Hester who processed a BYP with no figure in the picture......& this was on the 22nd, before they were found in the Paine garage!

Not if the limo has come to a more or less halt.

My current read is 'The Kennedy Case' by Rita Dallas. (Unfortunate surname.) Published 1973. She was a private nurse to Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. after his stroke in 1961 until his death in 1969. She relates an incident that occurred just weeks after JFK's assassination when she confronted an intruder at Palm Beach entering the property posing as a tv repairman. Nurse Dallas sussed the guy immediately, managed to summon guards who arrested the intruder, who was found tampering with the house fuse box. RFK was notified and he got the Palm Beach Secret Service to the property who took the man away. Later, "I asked one of the high-ranking guards about the intruder. I received a brief answer. He has connections in Dallas." "Later that same week I asked one of the local guards if he knew what had happened to the intruder. The incident had not been reported by the press, nor had any correspondents tried to contact the staff. He answered me in a strange way. I don't know Mrs. Dallas. One day they've got him in jail. The next day he's gone, just like that. Nobody's talking. That was the last I heard about the man. Someone had clamped on a lid and no one would ever be able to pry it off." I've heard of plots and possible assassination attempts against JFK in '63, like the mystery man in Knoxville etc. Anyone know anything about this mystery man? Maybe one for Vince Palamara.

1964. Swift & deadly like Dallas, but no bloodshed.

I recently caught up with Wills & Demaris' 'Jack Ruby' (p182-205) which covers the full day of Ruby's polygraph palaver. About 9 sessions & added to that the Ruby rants with his legal rep about allowing Bill Alexander in the room along with Ruby's skirmishes with Joe Tonahill....all ably assisted by Arlen Specter.

In your article you state:- Shouldn't that be U.K.

Have yet to read Part 2....but all guns blazin' at Davison's book. (Thankfully not in my collection.) Recently inherited Mark Fuhrman's 'A Simple Act of Murder' from Ian Griggs' collection which could get similar treatment to 'Oswald's Game'.

Livingstone interviewed Dr. Karnei on 8/27/1991, Dr. Humes on 9/5/1991, and Dr. Boswell 8/7/1991. [...] [Chapter 7. Dr. Robert Frederick Karnei] [...] "Nobody got a look at the spine area?" "Not that I remember. I don't remember anybody going into the spinal area to take a look there." [...] "In the end, don't you think they performed a complete and good autopsy?" "I think it was as complete as they were allowed to do. I mean, normally they would have gone into the spinal column and taken the spinal cord and all that sort of thing. And they were not allowed to do that. And there was no way they could have looked at the spinal column there to see if there was any disease in the spinal column." "They didn't remove the spinal column?" "No. No. Not that I can remember. I am almost sure they did not touch the spinal column. [...] [...] "So the spinal cord was not removed, so there was no opportunity to take tissue samples from it or study whether or not he might have actually had TB of the spine?" "No, I don't remember the spinal column ever being touched." [...] [Chapter 11. James Curtis Jenkins] [...] Later the spinal cord was removed-a Stryker saw cut both sides of the vertebral column. Jenkins saw Dr. Boswell remove the spinal cord.12 Both Dr. Boswell,13 and Dr. Robert Karnei, who was present in the autopsy room, deny that the spinal cord was removed. Once again it sounds as though we are talking about two different autopsies. Part of the problem of trying to solve a case with so much conflicting evidence is the way people's minds play tricks on them. A lot of the witnesses did not see certain things because they were momentarily out of the room or otherwise occupied, so they will compensate by making certain assumptions in their mind which then become fact. If they think that Robert Kennedy was limiting the autopsy and they did not see the spinal cord removed, for instance, then they may state that the spinal cord was not removed because Robert did not want it done. It is very common under stress for people's minds to imagine that they saw something they did not or to block out the memory of certain events. Jackie K as climbing on the trunk or Nelly Connally going up a flight of stairs. I am not suggesting that that is what happened here, and that the spinal cord was in fact removed. I don't know at this point. The cord is not properly mentioned in the autopsy report, wheras normally it would be. From Livingstone's 1993 book Killing The Truth: Deceit and Deception in the JFK Case: [Appendix J, Encyclopedia of Medical Events And Witness Testimony by Harrison E. Livingstone and Katlee Link Fitzgerald] [...] SPINAL CORD [...] Doctor Robert Karnei: The spinal cord was not removed. He was quite strong about this. (Aug. 27, 1991) Jim Jenkins: said that later the spinal cord was removed separately-use of Stryker saw but both sides of the vertical column. Jenkins saw Dr. Boswell remove the spinal cord (a: June 6, 1991) Jenkins thinks the brain stem was severed before it arrived at the autopsy because when they removed it from the head, the spinal cord did not come with it. He also said during the same interview that he did not recall removing the spinal cord and that he would have removed it (a: May 29, 1991) However, approximately 90% of the time the spinal cord will separate from the brain when the brain is removed. For what it's worth. (Don't shoot the messenger.) James Jenkins' presentation @ JFK Lancer NID 2013. "The damn thing fell out in my hand! That statement was made by Dr, Humes o.k. Remember that Humes and Fink were actually the people who were working with the head, the head wounds. That was the statement and as I said before it was a statement that kinda surprised me but as they took the brain out he handed it to Dr. Boswell who was across the table from me. Since I had been assisting with Dr. Boswell, I was the only corpsman at that point in time that was working with Dr. Boswell. I followed Dr. Boswell to the bucket of formalin where we infused the brain. My first impression was the damage to the brain does not corrolate with the extensive damage to the skull. What I mean with that was the right interior portion of the brain was damaged and there was some tissue missing. The brain, due to the trauma apparently was in that area kinda gelatinous and that pretty much stands to reason because when you traumatise the brain it's not like traumatising a muscle or something like that where you get bruising and so forth. The brain actually has a large amount of fluid in so it kinda becomes mushy and gelatinous. That was what I saw. The other thing, I didn't think that the brain was large enough. I had the impression that it was smaller than what it should be coming out of the cavity that it came out of. Now these were just impressions on my part. That was a first sight, first impression type thing. Dr. Boswell carried the brain to our bucket where we infused the brain. How we did it is important, because our normal method was we had a stainless steel bucket, fill the bucket approx half full of formalin. We had created a gauze sling that went over the top of the bucket, we laid the brain upside down in that sling. We had two needle apparatus that came from a supply of formalin that was up on the top of the cabinets and what we did with it was we took those needles and we infused the brains through the two internal carotids at the base of the brain. Those carotids were retracted and it was extremely difficult, and as a matter of fact we had one of the residents come in, which was the chief resident, because Dr. Boswell and Dr. Humes did not do this menial type thing of placing these suture needles in and so forth. So what we did was we infused the brain, and it was extremely difficult because of the condition of the carotids. In my experience when vessels are severed for a period of time they retract, especially arteries because of the way they're constructed, and over a period of time it's almost like they begin to close off themselves. The other thing I noticed was the brain stem, where the brain stem was cut to remove it from the cranium. The brain stem looked like it had been cut from two different sides, from each side met in the middle. I can relate that because if you've ever tried to cut something from the right side and go back and cut it from the left side it never, almost invariably never is the same level and this is what the brain stem looked like. You know, I've been asked many times about this and did I think that the brain had been removed prior to autopsy? Taking into consideration the abnormal things that I just described...........I feel like it was!

Hi Karl, Yes, I believe that is correct regarding Fritz's notes....not sure of Bookhout, but Hosty's notes were contemporary.