EVIDENCE FOR HARVEY AND LEE (Please debate the specifics right here. Don't just claim someone else has debunked it!)

[John Butler]

This doesn't have to be replied to either.  It is just a reference for someone who wants to research this at another time.

The Oswald Project/Defector Program began with WW2 Refugees in Europe

Men in the OSS who may have known or had something to do with WW2 refugees and the Oswald Project’s origins.

James Murphy- The X-2 Counterintelligence was led by James Murphy, whose branch would have the power to veto operations of the Special Operations and Secret Intelligence Branches without explanation.^[

Allen Dulles- was assigned by the OSS to Switzerland during the war.  He obtained much of his intelligence information from refugees from all over Europe who came to Switzerland.

Dulles developed a pro-active strategy for counterintelligence:

“Wisner emphasized his own, and Dulles', views that the best defense against foreign attacks on, or infiltration of, intelligence services is active measures against those hostile services. This is often called counterespionage: measures taken to detect enemy espionage or physical attacks against friendly intelligence services, prevent damage and information loss, and, where possible, to turn the attempt back against its originator. Counterespionage goes beyond being reactive and actively tries to subvert hostile intelligence service, by recruiting agents in the foreign service, by discrediting personnel actually loyal to their own service, and taking away resources that would be useful to the hostile service. All of these actions apply to non-national threats as well as to national organizations.

If the hostile action is in one's own country or in a friendly one with co-operating police, the hostile agents may be arrested, or, if diplomats, declared persona non grata. From the perspective of one's own intelligence service, exploiting the situation to the advantage of one's side is usually preferable to arrest or actions that might result in the death of the threat. The intelligence priority sometimes comes into conflict with the instincts of one's own law enforcement organizations, especially when the foreign threat combines foreign personnel with citizens of one's country.

In some circumstances, arrest may be a first step in which the prisoner is given the choice of co-operating or facing severe consequence up to and including a death sentence for espionage. Co-operation may consist of telling all one knows about the other service but preferably actively assisting in deceptive actions against the hostile service.

Noel Field- He worked under Allen Dulles in the OSS.  Field worked in France and Switzerland to save the children of Jewish communists and Anti-facist refugees of all kinds, Germans, Russians, Hungarians, and other east European.  He worked with other organizations in France to send children to the US and other neurtral countries.  He was a communist informant (spy). 

Frank Wisner- served in the Office of Strategic Services in World War II in Romania.   And, headed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), a clandestine intelligence unit, from 1948 to 1950. In 1950, the OPC was placed under the Central Intelligence Agency and renamed the Directorate of Plans.  Accused of having an affair with a communist agent by the FBI and cleared by the OSS.   

William Casey- Head of the Secret Intelligence Branch for Europe

James Angleton- Angleton and Helms probably became involved after WW2.

Richard Helms- Helms began what he would spend most of his intelligence career doing: planning and directing espionage operations from an office in Washington. In this case, the target was Germany, and the agents were run out of Central Europe and Scandinavia. Early in 1945, Helms got his first overseas assignment, in the London office of OSS’s espionage branch. Working under (and sharing a Grosvenor Street flat with) William Casey.

Others:

George Mandel, aka Giorgio Mantello, who during World War II had traded in Jewish refugees.  …. It was Mandel who had been the official founder of PERMINDEX.

Ferenc Nagy- One time leader of Hungary.  He was involved with helping refugees during WW2.  Founder of Permindex.

Andree Salomon- Andree Salomon, as the OSE (Œuvre de secours aux enfants or Organization to Save the Children) delegate to the Gurs and Rivesaltes Concentration Camps, in 1941 started to supervise all the preparations for the emigration of Jewish children from the camps to the U.S.A.

…. These children travelled by themselves directly to the United States, leaving their parents behind…. These children are members of that group of Holocaust Child Survivors who are "One Thousand Children." Most of their parents later were murdered by the Nazis.

There were many other Europeans who worked to save the millions of refugees in WW2.

The Golos/Bentley Soviet spy networks that had penetrated the OSS.  Each of the important agencies of the OSS that could have had something to do with the Refugee/Oswald Project were penetrated by communist spies.

1. Secret Intelligence Branch (counterintelligence was a part at the beginning)

2. Counterintellligence Branch X2

3. Research and Analysis.

 

People who were involved or probably knew what Counterintelligence was doing are William Donovan and his close aid Duncan Lee as top leaders of the CIA.  William Donovan established a strong, close connection sharing between the Secret Intelligence Branch and the Counterintelligence X2 Branch.

Duncan Lee- Top aide to William Donovan.  Communist spy.

Secret Intelligence Branch:

David K. E. Bruce

Whitney Shepardson

William Casey

Richard Helms

Arthur Goldberg- alleged communist spy

 

Counterintelligence X2 branch- Orginally part of the Secret Intellligence Branch.

James Murphy-

Norman Pearson- communist spy

Allen Dulles- Switzerland

Frank Wisner- Romania

James Angleton- Britian

 

Research and Analysis:

James Phinney Baxter

William Langer

Maurice Halperin- communist spy

Donald Wheeler- communist spy

Carl Marzani- communist spy

Leonard Mins- communist spy

Soviet Spies:

The Golos/Bentley Networks that had penetrated the OSS

Possible Government agents and informants/Former Soviet Communists

Emil Gardos and Grace Gardos

Louis Weinstock

Fred Blair

[Jim Hargrove]

Thanks, John.  You can never tell when something like this might come in handy.  I've made a little text file of your post for my H&L collection of files.

[Jim Hargrove]

21 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

Jim:

How did John A. find the reference to M.Oswald in 1941, was it a 1953 CIA document? If he still has the document can you upload it.

John - John A. decided this was a great time to travel in Asia (gotta love his contrariness) but I tracked him down and asked about this.  From memory, he said the information came from Otto Otepka, but without his files he couldn't be much more specific.  More, hopefully, later.

12 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

There was only one car in Clinton Jackson and it was driven by Shaw.

In fact, there was a photo of all three men in the car.

Thanks, again, Jim.  When he gets home, I'll ask what evidence John A. has that Oswald drove himself to East Louisiana State Hospital.  John wrote that he believed that LEE was consciously posing as HARVEY in the Clinton/Jackson appearances. 

[John Kowalski]

18 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Now, one can go into some of the other nefarious things Permindex was involved in, e.g. the assassination attempts against DeGaulle, the banking arrangements orchestrated by Dulles through the CIA's pet banks like Schroeders.  The fact that in addition to that, that Nagy was in contact with the CIA, and also with Rockefeller and the Rothschilds, and he reportedly had a home in Dallas in 1963, I don't think all of this should be dismissed because you somehow cannot find a smoking gun.

Jim:

You make a good point about Shaw and Permindex because you can quote a source.

Can you quote a source for the assassination attempt on De Gaulle and the shady bank arrangements with Schroeders? This is the problem I have with the allegations against Permindex and CMC. It's not enough to say that they have a connection of some sort to then assume they are involved in covert activities.

[John Kowalski]

20 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Despite having spoke to them in DEC 1963.... it's not until May that we get an affidavit... kinda like Feldsott's delay till July....
These statements simply reek from the FBI feeding details to make the stories believable... 

David:

Had been wondering how the FBI managed to get statements about the McFarlands and others that were not true but they managed to do so with them and the others on the bus.

[Jim Hargrove]

Correction:

I talked to John A. earlier today, and he said that Otto Otepka was NOT the source for the HUAC file information.  He said that it was actually a document from the U.S. Office of Security and that Malcom Blunt had the document and would send it to him. If no one else does it first, I’ll put it up here as soon as I see it.

Edited March 25, 2020 by Jim Hargrove

[John Butler]

Jim,

Something to add to your files:

Daily Beast:  CIA and FBI Spied on Americans and Immigrant Refugees as Early as the Late 50s

Frank Wisner and refugees

Soon after World War II ended, the Department of State recognized that there was a huge, untapped pool of Eastern European refugees. Harnessing them to fight the communists they hated was the brainchild of Frank Wisner, a former Wall Street lawyer turned Office of Strategic Services spy and the State Department’s expert on European war refugees. In a secret February 1948 policy paper, Wisner and his study group recommended that the National Security Council sanction the “systematic” use of such refugees. The NSC took Wisner’s advice.

This secretive use of refugees was probably done in secret during the war years and after the war prior to obtaining a legal status.  The legal status for this was more than likely prompted by the red scare and President Truman’s March, 1947 order concerning communists, his so-called Loyalty Program.  The authority to use refugees came from the Executive Order NSCID No. 14.

Frank Wisner worked under Allen Dulles in WWII and after the war.

Edited March 25, 2020 by John Butler

[John Butler]

War refugees were being brought to the US as early as the late 1930s.  Here is an example of children brought to the US in 1942:

and,

 

And interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyAN1O3Dv7M

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by John Butler

[John Kowalski]

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

I talked to John A. earlier today, and he said that Otto Otepka was NOT the source for the HUAC file information.  He said that it was actually a document from the U.S. Office of Security and that Malcom Blunt had the document and would send it to him. If no one else does it first, I’ll put it up here as soon as I see it.

Jim:

Looking forward to seeing this document.

Found a reference to military intelligence investigations of Nazis and Communists in NYC in the 1940s. Am looking into getting copies of these documents but it may take a while because of the pandemic. Will upload these documents if and when I get them.

[John Kowalski]

3 hours ago, John Butler said:

Daily Beast:  CIA and FBI Spied on Americans and Immigrant Refugees as Early as the Late 50s

The CIA's authority to spy internally in the US is indicated in a national security directive ordering the CIA to do so. This directive was revealed in a libel suit brought by Erik Heine, who is a Canadian of Estonian decent. He sued CIA agent Juri Haus for defamation because he accused him of being a Soviet agent.

https://archive.org/details/img2406_202003

Edited March 25, 2020 by John Kowalski

[John Butler]

Young Harvey, the refugee, on the way to Oswego, NY in 1944.

Just kidding.  But, it could have happened that way.

Edited March 25, 2020 by John Butler

[John Butler]

2 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

The CIA's authority to spy internally in the US is indicated in a national security directive ordering the CIA to do so. This directive was revealed in a libel suit brought by Erik Heine, who is a Canadian of Estonian decent. He sued CIA agent Juri Haus for defamation because he accused him of being a Soviet agent.

https://archive.org/details/img2406_202003

Harvey and Lee has this down fairly well as far as refugees go.

Edited March 25, 2020 by John Butler

[John Butler]

In Harvey and Lee there is this passage concerning the year 1953:

 

….Almost immediately CIA media assets and the US Congress labeled Arbenz a

Communist threat and got the Organization of American States (OAS) to condemn the

Communist infiltration of the Americas. The US Ambassador reported, "Unless the

Communist influences in Guatemala were counteracted, Guatemala would within six

months fall completely under Communist control."

 

The CIA sprang into action with agents David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt,

Frank Wisner (Chief of Covert Operations), Richard Bissell, Tracy Barnes, Ann

Goodpasture, and Col. Albert Haney (field commander). They worked under the supervision of CIA Director Allen Dulles and drew up plans for Arbenz's overthrow, known as "Operation Success" (code name PBSUCCESS)….

 

Doesn’t this sound like a good cast of characters for the continuing Oswald Project?

Edited March 25, 2020 by John Butler

[Jim Hargrove]

20 hours ago, John Butler said:

Jim,

Something to add to your files:

Daily Beast:  CIA and FBI Spied on Americans and Immigrant Refugees as Early as the Late 50s

Frank Wisner and refugees

Soon after World War II ended, the Department of State recognized that there was a huge, untapped pool of Eastern European refugees. Harnessing them to fight the communists they hated was the brainchild of Frank Wisner, a former Wall Street lawyer turned Office of Strategic Services spy and the State Department’s expert on European war refugees. In a secret February 1948 policy paper, Wisner and his study group recommended that the National Security Council sanction the “systematic” use of such refugees. The NSC took Wisner’s advice.

This secretive use of refugees was probably done in secret during the war years and after the war prior to obtaining a legal status.  The legal status for this was more than likely prompted by the red scare and President Truman’s March, 1947 order concerning communists, his so-called Loyalty Program.  The authority to use refugees came from the Executive Order NSCID No. 14.

Frank Wisner worked under Allen Dulles in WWII and after the war.

Thanks for the Daily Beast excerpts.  According to John Simkin in this Spartacus-Education post, “In 1948 Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects. Soon afterwards it was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Dulles and Wisner (and add Washington Post’s Bill Graham) would rather famously go on to direct Operation Mockingbird for the Agency starting around 1950. According to a Wikipedia article, referring to reporter Deborah Davis (author of a 1979 biography of the Post’s Katherine Graham):

Davis claimed that Frank Wisner, director of the Office of Policy Coordination (a covert operations unit created in 1948 by the United States National Security Council) had created Operation Mockingbird in response to the International Organization of Journalists, recruiting Phil Graham from The Washington Post to run the project within the industry. According to Davis, "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of The New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles."^[6] Davis claimed that after Cord Meyer joined the CIA in 1951, he became Operation Mockingbird's "principal operative."^[7]

One of my earliest memories involves looking at the tiny, black and white screen of an early television set and seeing the images of WWII war orphans on newsreel footage.  These sad images hardly prove Harvey Oswald was a war orphan, but his fluency in the Russian language strongly suggests early exposure to it.

[Jim Hargrove]

19 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

Jim:

Looking forward to seeing this document.

Found a reference to military intelligence investigations of Nazis and Communists in NYC in the 1940s. Am looking into getting copies of these documents but it may take a while because of the pandemic. Will upload these documents if and when I get them.

I'm anxious to see it too.  John A. is planning to return to the U.S. around the end of the month, but then he has to be quarantined for two weeks, and so I hope this can be done via email.  Good luck with the docs.