EVIDENCE FOR HARVEY AND LEE (Please debate the specifics right here. Don't just claim someone else has debunked it!)

[John Butler]

1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

As far as I know, the Agency has NOT released the file.  Here’s what John A. wrote on our website:

In January, 1953 the House Un-American Activites Committee (HUAC) file in New York City made reference to a "Mrs. M. Oswald" in a CIA Office of Security file. This file contained references to 1941, Nazi's and New Jersey. Judge John Tunheim, of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) wrote to Henry Hyde and requested the HUAC file on "Mrs. M Oswald," but his request was denied.

If he followed his usual methods, John would have made a copy of at least one page of the 1953 HUAC document, but I haven’t been able to find it.  Of interest, though, might be this follow-up comment added to an online article entitled BREAKING NEWS: LIST OF WITHHELD JFK ASSASSINATION DOCUMENTS from Russ Baker’s WhoWhatWhy.org site (emphasis added by me): 

Jim,

I must have this note somewhere and not a letter.  I have to fess up.  I'm to lazy to really organize my files.

Unless this can be related to something else its pretty much a dead end. 

Here is a quick search results which may give some context for keeping government secrets.  I've put in bold text something interesting:

Camp Nordland was a 204-acre resort facility located in Andover Township, New Jersey. From 1937 to 1941, this site was owned and operated by the German American Bund, which sympathized with and propagandized for Nazi Germany in the United States. This resort camp was opened by the Bund on 18 July 1937.

In the years before the Second World War, the Bund held events at the facility to encourage pro-German, pro-Nazi values—many of these events attracting over 10,000 visitors. On 18 August 1940, it was the site of a joint rally with the Ku Klux Klan, organized by Alton Milford Young and Arthur Hornbui Bell.^[1][2] On 30 April 1941, Sussex County sheriff Denton Quick (d. 1969) led a law-enforcement raid with ten deputized American Legionnaires on the camp which resulted in its closure, confiscation, and the arrests and trials of key Bund leaders. One of those convicted, August Klapprott, a naturalised American citizen, later petitioned the Supreme Court of the United States in Klapprott v. United States, 335 U.S. 601 (1949), to intervene in the revocation of his citizenship and the proposed deportation that resulted from his conviction.

After being seized by the government, the property was eventually turned over to Andover Township and became the township's "Hillside Park." Today, the facility houses the township's police headquarters and several recreational fields. The property's banquet hall is used for township events and frequently rented for wedding receptions. While much of its history and notoriety has faded over the last 70 years, many local residents of Sussex County still refer to the area as the "bund camp."^[

New Jersey and the Nazis by Hans Wolff, August, 1998 There have been persistent reports of a Nazi subculture in the New Jersey State Police, which has long had a reputation for violence and racism. Recently, the State Police was the subject of a review article in the New York Times, which cited years of allegations and a landmark court ruling concerning their racist bias in stopping Black and Latino motorists.[1] When the Black Liberation Army leader Assata Shakur was captured and shot in the back with her hands up by New Jersey troopers in 1973, she was under their guard for several days, as she writes in Assata: an Autobiography [2]:

"When they changed shift, the two troopers would salute the sergeant. Some saluted an army salute, but others saluted like the Nazis did in Germany. They held their hands in front of them and clicked their heels. I couldn't believe it. One day one of them came in and gave me a speech about how he fought in World War II on the wrong side. He went on and on and there was no question that he believed everything he said.... Every day he gave me a speech about nazism. Sometimes other nazis would join in. I asked him if there were a lot of nazis in the state troopers, but he just laughed and kept on talking.

... I later learned that the state troopers in new jersey was started by a German, that their uniforms were patterned after some type of German uniform (very similar to the uniforms South African police wear), that they are notorious for stopping Black, Hispanic, and long-haired people on the turnpike and beating, harassing, and arresting them.

The nazis headed the harassment campaign against me. They spit in my food and turned down the thermostat in the room until it was freezing. For a while their campaign centered on keeping me from sleeping. They stamped their feet on the floor, sang songs all night, played with their guns, shouted, etc."[2]

What lies behind this grotesque experience whose details, including the songs, reveal a certain authenticity? Let's take a look.

Norman Schwarzkopf, Senior

The New Jersey State Police was founded in 1921 by Colonel Norman Schwarzkopf, Sr., who served in both world wars and was father to General Norman Schwarzkopf of Gulf War fame. While General Shalikashvili, the outgoing US Chief of Staff, is proud of his Wafen SS father, the Schwarzkopfs emmigrated to the US long before the rise of Nazism, are not known to have voiced Nazi leanings, and were a respected part of the substantial German-American community in New Jersey.

However, an important segment of the New Jersey Germans were pro-Nazi before the war and also gave safe haven to Nazis after the war. As we will see, these Nazis also included Eastern Europeans and Russians, such as the elite and largely White Russian SS VorKommando Moskau, which organized the killings of Jews and Slavs in Nazi occupied Eastern Europe and Russia. Many members of the VorKommando Moskau were resettled in New Jersey by the US Government, shepherded by such stellar figures as Richard Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover, who considered these people to be stalwart anti-communist warriors and outstanding Republican vote getters. [3]

Back to Schwarzkopf: he was the founder and the first superintendent of the N.J. State Police, and played a key role in the Lindbergh kidnapping investigation and the Hauptmann trial. A West Point graduate and WWI veteran, he organized the State Police right after WWI. He returned to military service in WWII, rising to the rank of Brigadier General. Later he served abroad and organized the police force of Iran, then an ally of the U.S. There his son, Norman Jr., formed his first impressions of the Middle East.

[John Kowalski]

20 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

Clay Shaw and Louis Bloomfield were both in the OSS. 

John B:

There is no evidence that Bloomfield was in the OSS. I have his WWII military record, and according to it, he never left Canada during the war.

[John Butler]

Here's something else.  It contains the cast of characters we have been looking at recently.  If memory serves, I. G. Farben provided the gas for the Death Camps and the ovens for cremation of the bodies.

The Republicans bring the Nazis to the US

Allen Dulles was attorney for Standard Oil and IG Farben as well as for a number of Americans investing in the Nazis. Dulles had as protege one Richard Nixon... The web they wove is complex and the best thing is to read some of the books that have painstakingly documented this in great detail after much research with primary material obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and many interviews.

A sample of this kind of history is recounted by John Loftus and Mark Aaron in their book, The Secret War Against the Jews: "According to several of our sources among the 'old spies,' Richard Nixon's political career began in 1945, when he was the navy officer temporarily assigned to review . . . captured Nazi documents." The documents revealed the wartime record of Karl Blessing, "former Reichsbank officer and then head of the Nazi oil cartel, Kontinentale Ol A.G. 'Konti' was in partnership with [Allen] Dulles's principal Nazi client, I.G. Farben. Both companies had despicable records regarding their treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. After the war Dulles not only 'lost' Blessings' Nazi party records, but he helped peddle a false biography in the ever-gullible New York Times."

Not only did Dulles help cover up his Nazi client's record, he "personally vouched for Blessing as an anti-Nazi in order to protect continued control of German oil interests in the Middle East. Blessing's Konti was the Nazi link to Ibn Saud [King of Saudi Arabia] and Aramco [the Arabian- American Oil Company]. If Blessing went down, he could have taken a lot of people with him, including Allen Dulles. The cover-up worked, except that U.S. Naval Intelligence scrutinized a set of the captured Konti records."

Dulles made a deal with the navy officer who was reviewing the Konti files - Richard Nixon. For Nixon's help in burying the Konti files, Dulles "arranged to finance [Nixon's] first congressional campaign against Jerry Voorhis." [13]

Dulles's support for Nixon was rewarded in 1947 when, as the freshman congressman from California, he "saved John Foster Dulles considerable embarrassment by privately pointing out that confidential government files showed that one of Foster's foundation employees, Alger Hiss, was allegedly a Communist. The Dulles brothers took Nixon under their wing and escorted him on a tour of Fascist 'freedom fighter' operations in Germany, apparently in anticipation that the young congressman would be useful after Dewey became president." [14]

After Truman's victory, "Nixon became Allen Dulles's mouthpiece in Congress. Both he and Senator Joseph McCarthy received volumes of classified information to support the charge that the Truman administration was filled with 'pinkos.' When McCarthy went too far in his Communist investigations, it was Nixon who worked with his next-door neighbor, CIA director Bedell Smith, to steer the investigations away from the intelligence community.

"The CIA was grateful for Nixon's assistance, but did not know the reason for it. Dulles had been recruiting Nazis under the cover of the State Department's Office of Policy Coordination, whose chief, Frank Wisner, had systematically recruited the Eastern European emigre networks that had worked first for the SS, then the British, and finally Dulles.

"The CIA did not know it, but Dulles was bringing them to the United States less for intelligence purposes than for political advantage. The Nazis' job quickly became to get out the vote for the Republicans. One Israeli intelligence officer joked that when Dulles used the phrase 'Never Again,' he was not talking about the Holocaust but about Dewey's narrow loss to Truman. In the eyes of the Israelis, Allen Dulles was the demon who infected Western intelligence with Nazi recruits.

"In preparation for the 1952 Eisenhower-Nixon campaign, the Republicans formed an Ethnic Division, which, to put it bluntly, recruited the 'displaced Fascists' who arrived in the United States after World War II. Like similar migrant organizations in several Western countries, the Ethnic Division attracted a significant number of Central and Eastern European Nazis, who had been recruited by the SS as political and police leaders during the Holocaust. These Fascist emigres supported the Eisenhower-Nixon 'liberation' policy as the quickest means of getting back into power in their former homelands and made a significant contribution 'in its first operation (1951/1952).'"

I don't know how much of this is proganda or its truthfulness.

[John Butler]

32 minutes ago, John Kowalski said:

John B:

There is no evidence that Bloomfield was in the OSS. I have his WWII military record, and according to it, he never left Canada during the war.

John K,

There is contradictory information on Louis Bloomfield.  Is this another Louis Bloomfield and one that is not comparable to the Louis Bloomfield you are speaking about.

Louis Mortimer Bloomfield

 

Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, the son of Harry Bloomfield, was born in Canada, about 1910. A Zionist, Bloomfield joined the British military and served in Palestine as an Intelligence Officer under General Charles Orde Wingate. Bloomfield was involved in training the Jewish army, Haganah (1936-1939).

President Franklin D. Roosevelt established the Office of Strategic Services in 1942. Bloomfield was recruited and given the rank of major. In 1947, the OSS evolved into the Central Intelligence Agency, and Bloomfield continued doing contract work for the new organization. He was a regular visitor to Israel and met the Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion on 4th May, 1949.

A successful lawyer he worked for years at the law firm of Phillips and Vineberg in Montreal. He was also a major stockholder of Permindex, a corporation based in Switzerland. He was also the author on several books on on international law including The British Hondurus Guatemala Dispute (1953) and Egypt, Israel and the Gulf of Aqaba (1957).

In Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal (1970) William Torbitt claims that the assassination of John F. Kennedy was organized by Bloomfield and Permindex. Also involved included Defense Industrial Security Command, organized by J. Edgar Hoover and William Sullivan. Torbitt claims that Bloomfield was in control of the operation. DISC agents included Clay Shaw, Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Jack Ruby.

This is from an interesting article at Spartacus Educational:

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKbloomfield.htm

Edited March 21, 2020 by John Butler

[John Kowalski]

15 hours ago, David Josephs said:

"A Companion of BOWEN, MacFarland..."  While the Lee H OswalJ is listed here our man was not on this bus...

The line under BOWEN and MacFarland is supposed to ID another person, same name - a spouse. 
The 2nd doc below blows this man's cooperation intent out of the water by stating there were no other English-speaking people on that FLECHA ROJAS bus.
(MacFarlands and the Aussie's took Del Norte, AND SPOKE ENGLISH yet where put on this baggage list... along with Bowen and OSWALJ)

The Feb 23, 1964 doc is the first I found connecting the 2 men...

The 2nd to bottom doc established the man BOWEN spoke of was Mexican, older, darker and CARRIED A SMALL BROWN ZIPPERED BAG
This will be the same colored bag attributed to Oswald repeatedly in relation to Mexico...  yet if you look at his personal inventory

All we have is a BLACK/BLUE ZIPPERED POUCH - bottom image, 3rd set of stuff, 3 from the top....
The BROWN zippered bag is inserted into virtually everyone's description of this man...  his description is nothing like DURAN's or Azcue's...

What surprised me was that Bowen appeared to be travelling with someone. If the line below his name indicating this accurate, I would like to know who that person was.

[John Kowalski]

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, the son of Harry Bloomfield, was born in Canada, about 1910. A Zionist, Bloomfield joined the British military and served in Palestine as an Intelligence Officer under General Charles Orde Wingate. Bloomfield was involved in training the Jewish army, Haganah (1936-1939).

President Franklin D. Roosevelt established the Office of Strategic Services in 1942. Bloomfield was recruited and given the rank of major. In 1947, the OSS evolved into the Central Intelligence Agency, and Bloomfield continued doing contract work for the new organization. He was a regular visitor to Israel and met the Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion on 4th May, 1949.

A successful lawyer he worked for years at the law firm of Phillips and Vineberg in Montreal. He was also a major stockholder of Permindex, a corporation based in Switzerland. He was also the author on several books on on international law including The British Hondurus Guatemala Dispute (1953) and Egypt, Israel and the Gulf of Aqaba (1957).

In Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal (1970) William Torbitt claims that the assassination of John F. Kennedy was organized by Bloomfield and Permindex. Also involved included Defense Industrial Security Command, organized by J. Edgar Hoover and William Sullivan. Torbitt claims that Bloomfield was in control of the operation. DISC agents included Clay Shaw, Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Jack Ruby.

John B:

Yes that is a picture of him but again you are citing a source that can't be trusted. The information above is classic dis-information that mixes fact and fiction. Yes he was a lawyer in Montreal but he did not own any Permindex stocks. Yes, he wrote about the British Honduras Guatemala dispute but no, he did not, as Torbitt states, organized Kennedy's assassination.

I know that the accusations about him upset him. He wrote a letter to the RCMP complaining about them. If the accusations were true, would he tell the RCMP about them? His letter to the RCMP is below.

The source for him being in the OSS may have come from an article by Louis Wiznitzer in the Montreal newspaper Le Devoir on March 16, 1967. The article is in French but it clearly refers to a Montreal man named L. H. Blumfield who was a major in the Canadian army during WWII and a member of the OSS. Wiznitzer didn't even get Bloomfield's name right.

https://archive.org/details/BloomfieldRCMP/mode/1up

https://archive.org/stream/BloomfieldRCMP/Bloomfield - RCMP - 2#mode/1up

https://archive.org/details/BloomfieldLeDevoirMar1667/mode/2up

Edited March 21, 2020 by John Kowalski

[Jim Hargrove]

John K,

Thank you for making a real effort to analyze information and disinformation about the whole Permindex/CMC business.  I always thought the issue had all sorts of fascinating leads and potential connections  to JFKA, but that there was not much proof of anything related directly to the assassination.   Could you give us a short version of your opinion of it?

In regard to a potential traveling companion for John Bowen, you’re probably already aware of the doc below, but it does name a couple of people allegedly on the Mexican bus not mentioned in the docs DJ posted, including two spouses (spice?):

[John Kowalski]

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

In any case, it would open up new vistas in the story.

This is so true, finding this document may provide information about the fake Marguerite.

AARB documents are now at NARA, so it may be buried somewhere in this collection.

[John Kowalski]

14 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Could you give us a short version of your opinion of it?

Jim:

CMC and Permindex had nothing to do with the assassination. Bloomfield had no connection to it as well.

People connected to these 2 companies are suspicious, and as individuals may have liked to see Kennedy assassinated but I see no proof that they acted as a group to have him killed.

The many leads that are found in these companies is due to the fact that they are many right-wing neo-fascists who probably have connections to right-wing activities and therefore may overlap with those who actually planned and carried out JFK's assassination.

I have uploaded Bloomfield's papers that pertain to Permindex, CMC, President Bush and other things to Internet Archive.

https://archive.org/details/louismbloomfield_201907

 

 

[John Kowalski]

David:

CE 2195 mentions that there was a man and wife sitting in front of Osborne, and that the man was retired from the Bermuda Police Dept. Osborne visited Bermuda many times after departing there in 1914. Have some suspicions that he may have British intelligence connections because Bermuda is a British colony. On the passenger list, there is a name, McFarland who is travelling with his wife that is next to Bowen. Do you know anything about him?

[Jim Hargrove]

6 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

This is so true, finding this document may provide information about the fake Marguerite.

AARB documents are now at NARA, so it may be buried somewhere in this collection.

Do you know if they are fully indexed for Boolean-type searches, i.e, have you tried the Advanced Search tool and found an ARRB doc in the NARA JFK collection?  

6 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

Jim:

CMC and Permindex had nothing to do with the assassination. Bloomfield had no connection to it as well.

People connected to these 2 companies are suspicious, and as individuals may have liked to see Kennedy assassinated but I see no proof that they acted as a group to have him killed.

The many leads that are found in these companies is due to the fact that they are many right-wing neo-fascists who probably have connections to right-wing activities and therefore may overlap with those who actually planned and carried out JFK's assassination.

I have uploaded Bloomfield's papers that pertain to Permindex, CMC, President Bush and other things to Internet Archive.

https://archive.org/details/louismbloomfield_201907

Thank you, John.  If someone put a gun to my head and demanded the truth about Permindex, CMC and the Kennedy assassination, I'd have probably said something like, "it's all smoke and no fire."  Sometimes it's almost as good to be lucky as it is to be smart.  Unless something else comes up, this pretty much settles it for me.

I'm going to spend some time searching NARA docs for anything on that 1953 HUAC file referencing "Mrs. M. Oswald" in a CIA Office of Security file also referencing "1941," "Nazis," and "New Jersey."

[James DiEugenio]

Uh , I beg to disagree since we have printed two of John K's articles.

But there is no doubt that Clay Shaw was on the board of Permindex.

And to me and others, there is a lot of evidence suggesting Shaw was, at the very least,  involved with the manipulation of Oswald.  Evidence that the FBI knew about and that Clay Shaw lied about numerous times in public and under oath at his trial.

Concerning CMC/Permindex, these phony business groups existed and they had relations with the CIA and people who wanted to see Kennedy killed. Nagy was in contact with the Agency and with the likes of David Rockefeller, and the Rothschild family.  This was established by Maurice Phillips with documentary evidence. There is also evidence that they were related to P2, one of the truly evil secret organizations on the world scene after WW 2.

I am not nearly as dismissive of the Metta book as John K is.  It is a very interesting book that is very much worth reading., I took several pages of notes on it. I have always said that the Torbitt Document was in large part unsubtle disinformation.  But Phillips' work, the State Department memos, the reports in various press outlets, and the Metta book are not.  And we resemble the likes of Max Holland and Dick Helms if we ignore this evidence.  

 

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by James DiEugenio

[Jim Hargrove]

Hi, Jim Di....

I agree wholeheartedly that Clay Shaw was on the board of Permindex, and that he CLEARLY manipulated Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. Besides that....

I always assumed that the Shaw handoff of LHO to Banister in NOLA was ordained by US Intel.  

Just my opinion, but I don't think Permindex / CMC had ANYTHING to do with it.

[John Kowalski]

13 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

But there is no doubt that Clay Shaw was on the board of Permindex.

Jim:

The only document I have seen about Shaw is the one that says he is on CMC's board of directors. Permindex was established in late 1958 and there is no evidence that at that time Shaw was connected to it.

I read the same documents that Phillips did and yes it mentions the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. I do not doubt that they were connected to Permndex and CMC and that these companies were up to something covert but the documentation does not say what covert activities they were engaged in. Assassination no, but bribery and other covert activities probably.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by John Kowalski

[John Kowalski]

On 3/21/2020 at 6:09 PM, Jim Hargrove said:

I'm going to spend some time searching NARA docs for anything on that 1953 HUAC file referencing "Mrs. M. Oswald" in a CIA Office of Security file also referencing "1941," "Nazis," and "New Jersey."

Jim:

Have been working on this as well.  Below is the response I received from NARA that may be helpful in your research.

"This is in response to your September 2, 2019, request for information about the records of the JFK Assassination Records Collection. Specifically, you are seeking information about Judge John Tunheim's donation of his personal correspondence relating to his time as Chair of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB). We received your request on September 6, 2019.

 

We were unable to locate any correspondence to or from Judge Tunheim outside of the ARRB records. We did find the Papers of Jack Tunheim in the Collection. This is one box containing transcripts of three Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS) investigative reports broadcasts given to J. Tunheim by a CBS producer on 9/25/1998.

 

Otherwise it appears that all other records of his time with the ARRB would in Record Group (RG) 541,Records of the Assassination Records Review Board that are part of the JFK Assassination Records Collection. You can also find a finding aid for ARRB records off of the Collection's main page. Series 1: Administrative Records is currently closed for pending privacy screening for Personally Identifiable Information (PII)."

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by John Kowalski