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12 hours ago, John Butler said:

Jim,

Often time the photos on the net are better than the government ones (WC, HSCA, and other files).  That's why I use them.  The provenance is important.  Very important. 

But, I often lack the knowledge to know where to vet these photos.  I haven't been a JFK researcher that long.  That's a big weakness.  I've come to rely on David Josephs vast knowledge.  A good example is the Dulles clue.  Go over the notes I have been assembling and a framework or picture will begin to form on what may have happened ending in Harvey Oswald. 

John K. has given a good example of a vetted photo.  Can you trust this information on the Harvey photo.  I think it is phony.  There is no way the Oswald family could have had that photo of Harvey except through a government agency, the CIA's Oswald Project.

John,

Yeah, I’m inclined to believe the photo is a plant also, along with a number of others ostensibly published late in his life by Robert Oswald.

Your material on Allen Dulles, Frank Wisner, etc. is interesting and very much of a focus by researchers such as Jim DiEugenio, Lisa Pease, and John Armstrong.  There is an important set of two articles by Lisa Pease published in 2000 in Jim D’s old PROBE magazine entitled “James Jesus Angleton and the Kennedy Assassination.”

I’m not sure if Jim has these stories archived on his current website, but John A. copied Part II in its entirety and it is included in the John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University here:

James Jesus Angleton and the Kennedy Assassination, Part II

Lisa article begins on page 8 of the file.

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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

John,

Yeah, I’m inclined to believe the photo is a plant also, along with a number of others ostensibly published late in his life by Robert Oswald.

Your material on Allen Dulles, Frank Wisner, etc. is interesting and very much of a focus by researchers such as Jim DiEugenio, Lisa Pease, and John Armstrong.  There is an important set of two articles by Lisa Pease published in 2000 in Jim D’s old PROBE magazine entitled “James Jesus Angleton and the Kennedy Assassination.”

I’m not sure if Jim has these stories archived on his current website, but John A. copied Part II in its entirety and it is included in the John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University here:

James Jesus Angleton and the Kennedy Assassination, Part II

Lisa article begins on page 8 of the file.

Jim,

My opinion of James Jesus is that during the time he was in charge of counterintelligence at the CIA he had an identify crisis and began looking for himself.  The Mole hunt in the CIA is part of the Oswald story.  James Angleton's long term association with Kim Philby, the insidious seducer of both men and women, makes him highly suspect.  That association began in England during WW2 when Angleton was with the OSS Counterintelligence X2 Branch. 

Many people who were suspected of being a communist informant during WW2 were never prosecuted, particularly if they were high up in the administration.  One even went on to became a Supreme Court Justice. 

At this time, I am not so much interested in the 1960s, but the current interest is 1940s and the OSS in WW2.  Who, when, and where was the Oswald Project started?  The idea may have originated with the OSS leadership in Washington or it just might have started with Allen Dulles in Switzerland in about 1942-43.  If the notion was thought of in Washington then the effort quickly shifted to Dulles in Switzerland who had contacts in the refugee communities in Switzerland, France, and many East European countries.  Frank Wisner in Romania and Noah Field in France were connected to this effort and also after the war ended in the surviving branches of the OSS.  This continued on into the CIA.  People like James Angleton, Richard Helms, Frank Wisner were added after 1945 in the surviving branches of the OSS.

Allen Dulles and his X2 operation in Switzerland was at first treated with contempt and ignored by OSS leadership in Washington.  Switzerland was filled with spies and refugees.  Dulles obtained a major portion of his intelligence efforts from refugees.  It was described this way:

"Switzerland was swarming with spies — British, French, Italian, German, and Austro-Hungarian. In addition, Czech, Slovak, Slav, and Croat exiles were scheming and plotting to return home as soon as the Austro-Hungarian Empire collapsed. And then there were all the German and Russian émigrés waiting for the war to end."

Many of the German and Russian emigres were Jewish Communists and the children of German and Russian Jews whose parents had been sent to the Death Camps.  Other nationalities such as Hungarians were also involved.  Outfits such as the Organization to Save the children and the OSS brought many of these orphans to the US and allied countries.

Later, Dulles became very important in the OSS because of the accuracy of the information he provided from German Military informants and refugees of all kinds.

Permindex was involved with moving refugees.  Permindex was founded in Switzerland as an OSS front.  It was founded by Giorgio Mantello, aka George Mandel, in Basel, Switzerland.  If this is true then Allen Dulles was in the middle of it.  They were involved in the refugee movement to allied countries.  It is described this way:

Nagy's partner in the leadership of PERMINDEX was Giorgio Mantello, aka George Mandel, who during World War II had traded in Jewish refugees, profiting handsomely from their misery from his perch at the consulate of El Salvador in Bern.  It was Mandel who had been the official founder of PERMINDEX. CIA kept silent, but the State Department learned that, as 'Georges Mandel,' Mantello had been engaged in the 'wartime Jewish refugee racket' until he was expelled from Switzerland.

I don't at this time have any information on Clay Shaw in Switzerland, if he was there at all.  But, the same people who were involved with creating Permindex were involved with Clay Shaw later.

   

 

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OSS Counterintelligence X2

Richard (Dick) Helms is reported to have said, paraphrased, “You will never know who Oswald was and you will never know what Oswald was.”  Well, maybe?

The Oswald Project/Defector Program was a creation of the OSS.  Particularly, in its Secret Intelligence Branch, its division of Counterintelligence X2, and maybe the Research and Analysis Branch.  Later in 1943, the William Donovan created the Counterintelligence X2 division as its own branch of the OSS.

People who were involved or probably knew what Counterintelligence was doing are William Donovan and his close aid Duncan Lee as top leaders of the CIA.  William Donovan established a strong, close connection sharing between the Secret Intelligence Branch and the Counterintelligence X2 Branch.

Duncan Lee- Top aide to William Donovan.  Communist spy.

 

Secret Intelligence Branch:

David K. E. Bruce

Whitney Shepardson.

Arthur Goldberg- alleged communist spy

 

Counterintelligence X2 branch- Orginally part of the Secret Intellligence Branch.

James Murphy

Norman Pearson

Allen Dulles- Switzerland

Frank Wisner- Romania

James Angleton- Britian

William Casey- Britian

Richard Helms- US

 

Research and Analysis Branch:

James Phinney Baxter

William Langer

Maurice Halperin

Donald Wheeler

Carl Marzani

Leonard Mins

This also names the communist spies in the OSS who passed on information to the Golos/Bentley communist spy networks known as the Silverman group, Ware group, Perlo group, and Rosenberg ring.

The Golos/Bentley spy networks knew everything the OSS was into to the Soviets.  This is why Harvey Oswald more than likely had to tell the truth in his autobiography note.

 

Communist spies in the OSS

Duncan Lee- He was a top assistant of William “Wild Bill” Donovan, the head of the OSS.  He was a lawyer in Donovan’s law firm before the war.

Helen Tenney- She provided information on the duties and activities of OSS people in all parts of the OSS and all personnel throughout the world.

J. Julius Joseph- From 1943 to 1945 was with the OSS.  Discovered by the Venona code-breaker progam along with five others, Maurice Halperin, Duncan Chapin Lee, Bella Joseph, Franz Neumann, and Julius Joseph.

Maurice Halperin- Worked in the Office of the Coordinator of Information which later became the Research Division of the OSS.

Horst Baerensprung- OSS consultant on Germany.

Hans Hirschfeld- OSS consultant on Germany.

Bella Joseph- OSS film section.

Donald Wheeler- OSS Research and Analysis.

Thomas Babin- OSS Yugoslavia Section.

Philip Keeney- OSS librarian.

Mary Keeneyl- OSS librarian.

Leonard Mins- Russian Section of Research and Analysis.

Samuel Bloomfield- Eastern European Section.

An unnamed OSS agent brought into the spy network in Sep., 1945.

Joseph Gregg- Had access to Naval Intelligence and FBI files.

 

Venona Decryption/ Alexander Vassiliev:  Communist spies with cover names.  Some became alleged spies since it could not be proven in court that they were spies.

T. D. Schocken-

E. A. Mosk-

Fleischer-

A O. Hirshman- Worked in the Offices of the OSS.

Julius Rosenfeld-

Carlo A. Prato- Named as a Soviet courier by Elizabeth Bentley- worked in the State Department.

Manuel T. Jiminez- Served in the OSS.

Michael A. Jiminez-

Irving Goff- Worked for the OSS in Italy and North Africa.  He served in the Spanish Civil War and was supposedly the inspiration for the book For Whom the Bells Toll.

David Zablowdowsky-

Carl Marzani- Worked under William Donovan in the Analysis Branch from 1943 to 1945.  Deputy chief of the Presentation Branch, which prepared charts, graphs, and other pictorial displays of OSS information.

Virginia Gerson-

Bert A. Schwartz-

Victor Dimitrievich-

Leo Drozdov-

Alexander Lesser-

Louis E. Madison-

Robert Wheeler-

Gerald Davidson-

Seymore (Bud) Schulberg- Writer, Director, TV Producer.  Worked in the OSS- Believed to be one of the first US service men to liberate the Nazi death camps.

Fena Harrison-

Robert M. McGregor-

Netty Solovitz-

Tilly Solovitz-

Frederick Pollock-

 

 

 

 

 

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This is something for my wife's amusement.  She swears that the boy at the zoo looks like Steve Landesberg.

lee-steve-unknown-another-oswald-double-

As an artist I see the highlights on the boy's nose and right jaw as phony.  The light is coming in from the left and creates a shadowed area on the right side of the face.  The nose should not be highlighted that strongly when the rest of the face is in shadow.  It looks like the nose has been widened by the highlight to hide its original features.  The highlight on the right jaw line should not be there at all.  The entire area is in shadow.  If anything it should be a shadow light.  Definitely out of tune with the rest of the right side of the face.  What are shadow lights?  If you look closely you will see one outlining the eye socket on the right side of the face.  Perhaps, that could be seen better if the contrast is changed.

I know this will disturb others because they believe this photo, with Robert Oswald saying this is his brother Lee Harvey Oswald, is not altered.   Just treat it as an amusement. 

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1 hour ago, John Butler said:

At this time, I am not so much interested in the 1960s, but the current interest is 1940s and the OSS in WW2.  Who, when, and where was the Oswald Project started?  The idea may have originated with the OSS leadership in Washington or it just might have started with Allen Dulles in Switzerland in about 1942-43.  If the notion was thought of in Washington then the effort quickly shifted to Dulles in Switzerland who had contacts in the refugee communities in Switzerland, France, and many East European countries.  Frank Wisner in Romania and Noah Field in France were connected to this effort and also after the war ended in the surviving branches of the OSS.  This continued on into the CIA.  People like James Angleton, Richard Helms, Frank Wisner were added after 1945 in the surviving branches of the OSS.

Ah, I see what you’re getting at.  (Sometimes I'm a little slow). Looking for the origins of the Oswald Project in the 1940s makes perfect sense.  

John A’s evidence for two LHOs and two Marguerites starting in the summer of 1947 strikes me as pretty strong.  Real Marguerite and the American-born LHO were at 1505 8th Ave. in Fort Worth; after the end of the spring semester at Chamberlain Hunt, Robert and John Pic jointed them at the Fort Worth apartment.  

During this same summer of 1947, the false Oswalds were on San Saba in Benbrook, where Georgia Bell was able to judge the time frame so well because her house next door was finished at nearly the same time the “Oswalds” moved in.  Mrs. Bell recalled that at one time a neighbor drove phony Marguerite to a house directly across from Stripling School, where “Margeurite” kept clothes and furniture.  This was most likely 2220 Thomas Place, directly across the street from Stripling School, and where phony Marguerite probably lived on several occasions, including at the time JFK was assassinated.

And so concentrating on a time frame between 1941 and 1947 makes perfect sense!
 

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On 3/19/2020 at 11:55 AM, John Butler said:

John Kowalski reviews Michele Metta's book about Permindex, CMC and the role of Italian fascists and freemasons in the JFK assassination, and also looks at the Louis Bloomfield papers and the recent lawsuits over their release.

And, I wondered if that was you.  And, if so could you help with information on Clay Shaw and the OSS.  The founding of Permindex.

I'm particularly interested in the Clay Shaw OSS years.  Most things on the net just say he was in the OSS.  I want to know what years were that and where did he serve.

Clay Shaw and Louis Bloomfield were both in the OSS.  Permindex was formed in Switzerland.  Did these two have anything to do with that.  Were both in Switzerland at the same time as Allen Dulles and another fellow Noah Field.

John B:

Yes that was me. I have done extensive research on Bloomfield. He donated his personal papers to Library and Archives Canada. I began reviewing them many years ago. In 2018 the archives refused to grant me further access to them so I took them to court. I won my case and most of the documents are now available for review. As part of the court settlement the archives are digitizing Bloomfield's papers and uploading them to their website where anyone can review them.

There is a lot of misinformation about Bloomfield and  the source of most of it is Dope Inc., and Executive intelligence Review. Both publications are the produced by Lyndon Larouche, former presidential candidate and notorious anti-Semite. I must stress, anything published by Larocuhe is not worth reading. He claims that Bloomfield employed Albert Osborne to manage a group of assassins. It's not true. I have researched and wrote a story about Osborne and found no connection between him and Bloomfield and no evidence that Osborne was managing a group of assassins.

Clay Shaw was connected to Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC) in Rome but I found no evidence connecting him to Permindex in Switzerland.

Yes, Permindex/CMC was a CIA front. There is a letter from Nagy offering to the CIA the services of his company.

Bloomfield was not the founder of Permindex or CMC. He was acting as a representative of shareholders in these companies. I have not been able to determine who these shareholders were. Michele Metta has a website where he uploaded some documents pertaining to his book. In one of them it mentions Bloomfield having possession of shares and that he was acting as a proxy. In business terms a proxy is someone who acts on someone else behalf.  In the Bloomfield papers he also writes a letter to CMC staff saying that he is acting on someone else's behalf. It would not make sense for him, if he was company founder, to write letters to other company staff and say that he is acting on someone else behalf and not the founder.

Metta in his book attempted to link CMC to JFK's assassination. He failed to do this. But he did make a good case for some of the company staff being Neo-fascists. This company had a purpose other than providing a place to sell things. CMC is the same as the Trade-Mart in New Orleans, and this is probably one of the reasons why Shaw was picked for its board of directors. There is a strong probability, given Shaw's CIA ties, that he may have had clandestine duties connected to CMC but Metta's book does not tell the reader what they were.

Below are links to what I wrote about Bloomfield and Osborne. First link is my review of Metta's book. There are 2 appendices. The first one describes my lawsuit and the prior lawsuits by Maurice Philipps who has posted on this forum. The second one describes Bloomfield's role with Permindex and CMC. The second link is to my story about Albert Osborne.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/the-canadian-archives-michele-metta-and-the-latest-on-permindex

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-dual-life-of-albert-osborne

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

There is a lot of misinformation about Bloomfield and  the source of most of it is Dope Inc., and Executive intelligence Review. Both publications are the produced by Lyndon Larouche, former presidential candidate and notorious anti-Semite. I must stress, anything published by Larocuhe is not worth reading. He claims that Bloomfield employed Albert Osborne to manage a group of assassins. It's all not true. I have researched and wrote a story about Osborne and found no connection between him and Bloomfield and no evidence that Osborne was managing a group of assassins.

Thanks John K. for your info,

I remember who Lyndon Larocuhe was.  If my memory is any good he was the socialist candidate for president for many election cycles.  I don't think I would pay attention to anything of his unless it suited my bias.

I'm trying to connect Clay Shaw to Permindex early on during WW2 or in the years after WW2.  Can you tell me the earliest date you have with Clay Shaw and Permindex?

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4 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Ah, I see what you’re getting at.  (Sometimes I'm a little slow). Looking for the origins of the Oswald Project in the 1940s makes perfect sense.  

John A’s evidence for two LHOs and two Marguerites starting in the summer of 1947 strikes me as pretty strong.  Real Marguerite and the American-born LHO were at 1505 8th Ave. in Fort Worth; after the end of the spring semester at Chamberlain Hunt, Robert and John Pic jointed them at the Fort Worth apartment.  

During this same summer of 1947, the false Oswalds were on San Saba in Benbrook, where Georgia Bell was able to judge the time frame so well because her house next door was finished at nearly the same time the “Oswalds” moved in.  Mrs. Bell recalled that at one time a neighbor drove phony Marguerite to a house directly across from Stripling School, where “Margeurite” kept clothes and furniture.  This was most likely 2220 Thomas Place, directly across the street from Stripling School, and where phony Marguerite probably lived on several occasions, including at the time JFK was assassinated.

And so concentrating on a time frame between 1941 and 1947 makes perfect sense!
 

David J. has it pegged to July 7, 1947 as the first appearance of Harvey and the false Marguerite.  And, prior to that not much is known.   This is something John K. asked about which no one could provide an answer for him.

I call the other Marguerite "Mysterious Marge" since not much is know about her early origins.  Supposedly, there is a letter in about 1941 that mentions Mysterious Marge in New York or New Jersey.  I thought I had a copy, but....

If you have a copy of the whole letter could you post it?  I think the one you posted had an envelope covering part of the letter.

Jim said, "John A’s evidence for two LHOs and two Marguerites starting in the summer of 1947 strikes me as pretty strong."  Exactly, this is the heart of Harvey and Lee.  Sometime prior to July 7, 1947 Harvey and Mysterious Marge must have been united by someone in the government associated with the Oswald Project / Defector Program.  For this deception to work the entire Oswald family had to be members of the Oswald Project.  This includes Uncle Dutz and Marguerite's sister and daughter.  This was I would think was not difficult for a family that was connected to the Mafia, the harbor docks, and the ONI which monitored the docks there.  Every intelligence agency had a post in New Orleans.  New Orleans was the second largest port in the US involved in international trade.

And, if what we suspect about Harvey being a war orphan is true, someone must have raised him in Russian family or in a Russian speaking family, perhaps Hungarian..  This is where he learned the Russian Language.  This probably didn't occur in Switzerland or France in an orphanage.  He would have been tainted with German or French in Switzerland or French in a French orphanage.  He may have been posed as the son of the Gardos family.  I find the book by the Hungarian cartoonist somehow convincing.  Why would he treasure this book unless it had a family connection he learned with Hungarians.  I believe the Tippit letter to be true and not disinformation.

The Gardos family had two addresses in NYC in the 1940s.  I think they moved from 514 East 83 to 214 East 86th in NYC about 1942 or shortly thereafter.  Need a bigger apartment for two kids? 

He must have been brought to this country somewhere between 1943 and 1945.  I choose these years because the refugee program in Switzerland and France doesn't get underway in a big way until those years. 

I have a pet theory for the Lee and Harvey toddler photos I posted earlier.  I believe Lee and Harvey were chosen by someone in the OSS based on the close appearance of the two youngsters in those photos.  I going to surmise that Allen Dulles in Switzerland and the OSS leadership created the defector program.  And, therein lies a problem.  The OSS at all levels was riddled with Soviet informants.  This information was passed on to the Soviets by the Golos / Bentley networks.  This is how the Russians knew about Harvey.  This is why he had to truthfully write that autobiography note.  Harvey convinced them he truly was a communist and he could help them shoot down the U2s which at this point they couldn't do anything about.  The Russians still did not trust Harvey and sent a team of 30 agents to monitor him in Minsk.  Chief amongst these Soviet agents was Marina Prusakova.  I believe Marina wanted out of Russia and became a double agent.  This may have been her Soviet role to begin with.  One of the pictures of her with Oswald is not Harvey but Lee.  Lee and Harvey were good enough as teenagers to pull of their roles in New Orleans, in the military, in Russia,  and back in the US even at the TSBD.

The Tippit teletype implies that Emil Gardos, Fred Blair, and Louis Weinstock were not radical communists, but American agents working for the FBI or CIA.  And, someone who knew this is the unknown caller who would have to be an informer or agent of some kind.     

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4 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

John...  

Again with the 6 degrees....  You mention Osbourne in China...  Ekdahl was in China... got married there.

There is no "Ekdahl" in your wonderful essay...  Ever investigate the possibility these Americans knew each other or were there at the same time?

Just a thought... take care

DJ

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1 hour ago, John Butler said:

I'm trying to connect Clay Shaw to Permindex early on during WW2 or in the years after WW2.  Can you tell me the earliest date you have with Clay Shaw and Permindex?

John B:

Permindex opened in Basel Switzerland in late 1958. I have no evidence that Shaw was connected to Permindex.

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5 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Again with the 6 degrees....  You mention Osbourne in China...  Ekdahl was in China... got married there.

There is no "Ekdahl" in your wonderful essay...  Ever investigate the possibility these Americans knew each other or were there at the same time?

David:

Osborne, as far as I know, never went to China. He was posted to India when he was in the army. In my story I quoted a news story about him speaking about Indian and Chinese customs. Knowing Osborne, he probably did some reading about China and told his audience that he was there.

Eckdahl is an interesting person, and his time in China definitely needs more research.

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Juggling too much reading material at the same time...  Thanks.

See images below, in order.

"A Companion of BOWEN, MacFarland..."  While the Lee H OswalJ is listed here our man was not on this bus...

The line under BOWEN and MacFarland is supposed to ID another person, same name - a spouse. 
The 2nd doc below blows this man's cooperation intent out of the water by stating there were no other English-speaking people on that FLECHA ROJAS bus.
(MacFarlands and the Aussie's took Del Norte, AND SPOKE ENGLISH yet where put on this baggage list... along with Bowen and OSWALJ)

The Feb 23, 1964 doc is the first I found connecting the 2 men...

The 2nd to bottom doc established the man BOWEN spoke of was Mexican, older, darker and CARRIED A SMALL BROWN ZIPPERED BAG
This will be the same colored bag attributed to Oswald repeatedly in relation to Mexico...  yet if you look at his personal inventory

All we have is a BLACK/BLUE ZIPPERED POUCH - bottom image, 3rd set of stuff, 3 from the top....
The BROWN zippered bag is inserted into virtually everyone's description of this man...  his description is nothing like DURAN's or Azcue's...

 

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6 hours ago, John Butler said:

This is something for my wife's amusement.  She swears that the boy at the zoo looks like Steve Landesberg.

lee-steve-unknown-another-oswald-double-

As an artist I see the highlights on the boy's nose and right jaw as phony.  The light is coming in from the left and creates a shadowed area on the right side of the face.  The nose should not be highlighted that strongly when the rest of the face is in shadow.  It looks like the nose has been widened by the highlight to hide its original features.  The highlight on the right jaw line should not be there at all.  The entire area is in shadow.  If anything it should be a shadow light.  Definitely out of tune with the rest of the right side of the face.  What are shadow lights?  If you look closely you will see one outlining the eye socket on the right side of the face.  Perhaps, that could be seen better if the contrast is changed.

I know this will disturb others because they believe this photo, with Robert Oswald saying this is his brother Lee Harvey Oswald, is not altered.   Just treat it as an amusement. 

Kind of uncanny, though. 

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2 hours ago, Andrew Prutsok said:

Kind of uncanny, though. 

If you remove the false high light on the boy at the zoo's chin it looks remarkably like the huge, strong chin of Steve Landesberg.  Both Harvey and Lee had short, weak chins.

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15 hours ago, John Butler said:

I call the other Marguerite "Mysterious Marge" since not much is know about her early origins.  Supposedly, there is a letter in about 1941 that mentions Mysterious Marge in New York or New Jersey.  I thought I had a copy, but....

If you have a copy of the whole letter could you post it?  I think the one you posted had an envelope covering part of the letter.

As far as I know, the Agency has NOT released the file.  Here’s what John A. wrote on our website:

In January, 1953 the House Un-American Activites Committee (HUAC) file in New York City made reference to a "Mrs. M. Oswald" in a CIA Office of Security file. This file contained references to 1941, Nazi's and New Jersey. Judge John Tunheim, of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) wrote to Henry Hyde and requested the HUAC file on "Mrs. M Oswald," but his request was denied.

If he followed his usual methods, John would have made a copy of at least one page of the 1953 HUAC document, but I haven’t been able to find it.  Of interest, though, might be this follow-up comment added to an online article entitled BREAKING NEWS: LIST OF WITHHELD JFK ASSASSINATION DOCUMENTS from Russ Baker’s WhoWhatWhy.org site (emphasis added by me): 
 

Robert Miller says:

Here’s the document I want to see, as described in John Armstrong’s HARVEY AND LEE:

“In January 1953 the HUAC in New York made reference to a “Mrs. M. Oswald”
in a CIA Office of Security file. The file contained references to 1941, Nazi’s, and NewJersey. Judge John Tunheim, of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB ), wrote to Henry Hyde in an attempt to get the HUAC files on Lee and Marguerite Oswald released, but his request was refused.”

In 1953 Lee and Marguerite Oswald went to New York City for “testing”. According to the official story Marguerite and Lee had never been to New Jersey before then. So what does “1941, Nazis and New Jersey” have to do with people who’d lived in either New Orleans or Texas?

In 1941 before the US’s entry into WWII there was a raid on American Bund property in northern New Jersey by the FBI. How does that relate to Lee Oswald?

Armstrong’s book strongly puts forth the theory that there were two Oswalds, starting in 1953, the kid from Texas and a boy in New York City who was born into a home that spoke Russian. By that theory, of merging two Oswalds identities while still children would have required two mothers.

We know nothing about the faux Marguerite. Perhaps earlier she had worked as an asset for the FBI under another name. Or perhaps in 1941 she was a member of the Bund but was flipped.

In any case, it would open up new vistas in the story.

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