David Andrews Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: I could not have written that essay--which is the most comprehensive and detailed expose of how a network literally fabricated its support for the Commission--without the documents pilfered out of CBS by the late Roger Feinman. Jim, is Roger Feinman's "Between the Signal and the Noise" a complete book (published or unpublished) or just an article? There are various versions floating around the net, none of which I would call definitive. The link in your K & K eulogy no longer works. Edited January 25, 2020 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) They are making a movie about this--11/22/63 news coverage-- with Chris Pine called Newsflash. Pine is playing Cronkite. They bill it at as the day that TV news came of age. I have had to watch that same day news coverage while working on this documentary for Oliver Stone. I would say it is the contrary. Its the day the networks showed all of its weaknesses and utter mediocrity. All these guys did was follow the story. In other words, they tagged along as it progressed. At times--like with NBC-- they did not even have a remote pick up. They had to rely on telephones. In other words, you would have Chet Huntley in studio in New York, on a call to some reporter in Dallas. And he would be literally repeating what the guy on the line said to him to his audience. Evidently, NBC needed more time to send a reporter to the scene with a camera man. This was what was the news coverage. People in a studio saying, the president is now at Parkland Hospital. He is in an emergency room. Doctors are working on him. He has now been pronounced dead. But then, comes something really important. Huntley says, Dr. George Burkley says that Kennedy was killed with a shot into the right temple. Kind of important detail right. Especially since later, when Oswald is apprehended, he says I was arrested because I work in that building, the TSBD. Yet, Huntley does not say, "Well wait a minute. How could Oswald shoot Kennedy through the right temple if he was in the building behind him?" Same thing with the Perry/Clark press conference. Perry says the neck shot came from in front. Three times he said it. Clark says there was a large gaping wound in the rear of Kennedy skull. But still, none of the network guys asks that question. And this is called "coming of age"? Barbie Zeilizer wrote a book about this called Covering the Body. She details the first day coverage and subtly points out how the bid media missed the real story that was right in front of them. And I should add, by doing this, they showed why a well designed conspiracy could make them look like fools. PS . Link to Feinman's booklet http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Feinman/Feinmanbio.html Edited January 25, 2020 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said: PS . Link to Feinman's booklet http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Feinman/Feinmanbio.html Thanks. I just found out why the original internet publication was taken down, as I'm sure others were aware of. The links to the Feinman chapters on the Ken Rahn site also don't work. Is that just me, or.... (EDIT: Many links to other people's writings on the Ken Rahn site produce 404 notices, which is saddening.) It's a mark of Feinman's long frustration as an assassination critic that he set himself up for disbarment by not restraining his language in complaining about the Groden verdict. Edited January 25, 2020 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Obviously I did not know that the links do not work. Is the withdrawal of Between the Signal and the Noise by Rahn because of Roger's death and the attempt to establish an estate, or because of a legal threat by Lifton? I don't see how it could be the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 5:48 AM, Ron Ecker said: I saw one of the officially recognized "presidential historians" on TV yesterday (talking about the impeachment trial, what else). I wondered if there is a single one of these "presidential historians" who questions the official story of the assassination. I certainly don't know of one. And I imagine if any of them do question it, they would never do so publicly, lest they be defrocked, of course, as presidential historians. There's absolutely no future for them if they utter a contrary sound, Ron. With or without evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said: Obviously I did not know that the links do not work. Is the withdrawal of Between the Signal and the Noise by Rahn because of Roger's death and the attempt to establish an estate, or because of a legal threat by Lifton? I don't see how it could be the latter. Rahn's Feinman bio link works for me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said: Obviously I did not know that the links do not work. Is the withdrawal of Between the Signal and the Noise by Rahn because of Roger's death and the attempt to establish an estate, or because of a legal threat by Lifton? I don't see how it could be the latter. Well, as I said, a lot of links on the Ken Rahn site don't work. But there's no other link I can find. I have to slog through the Feinman materials in the Weisberg collection on Archive.org to see if it's hidden within. I'll link it here if I find it. Edited January 25, 2020 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, David G. Healy said: Rahn's Feinman bio link works for me.... Yeah, the bio opens, but did you try to open the "Signal" book chapter links? All 404s for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, David Andrews said: Yeah, the bio opens, but did you try to open the "Signal" book chapter links? All 404s for me. correct David, all 404's... sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Ross Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, David Andrews said: Yeah, the bio opens, but did you try to open the "Signal" book chapter links? All 404s for me. There was a typo in the link. http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/the_critics/feinman/Between_the_signal/Preface.html should be http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Feinman/Between_the_signal/Preface.html or http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Feinman/Between_the_signal/ Edited January 25, 2020 by Kirk Ross one level up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirk Ross said: There was a typo in the link. http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/the_critics/feinman/Between_the_signal/Preface.html should be http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Feinman/Between_the_signal/Preface.html or http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Feinman/Between_the_signal/ THANK YOU ! People can use this link: http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/ to get to other materials at kenrahn.com that can't be accessed through the sidebar links on Ken Rahn's Academic JFK Assassination Site. Edited January 25, 2020 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) Here is a link to my video "Political Truth: The Media and the Assassination" I wrote and narrated for Len Osanic's excellent 2013 series 50 REASONS . . . FOR 50 YEARS. Jeff Carter was the ace videographer. Edited January 26, 2020 by Joseph McBride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Thorne Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Great series, that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) BTW, MacNeil, his partner said something notable when the film JFK came out. Words to the effect, how can anyone deny the possibility of a conspiracy, we were living in a Fool's Paradise back then. Edited January 26, 2020 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said: BTW, MacNeil, his partner said something notable when the film JFK came out. Words to the effect, how can anyone deny the possibility of a conspiracy, we were living in a Fool's Paradise back then. MacNeil and Lehrer worked closely together for years but had different opinions of the JFK assassination? Was Lehrer a "Lone Nut" advocate? And MacNeil not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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