The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

[Matt Allison]

29 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

 It looks like Leslie Sharp is countering the Firehose of Falsehoods from Mathew Koch and our Coalition of the Clueless with a Firehose of Facts about Trump's J6 coup attempt.

Yes! Nice work, Leslie, you're a friend of the truth. Always great to see a person do the right thing and act in good faith.

Like I said, I assume this manic episode by the MAGAs is because they just had one of their worst weeks ever.

And things will not be getting any better for them from here on out.

[W. Niederhut]

[Leslie Sharp]

24 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:

Lols, Thanks for sharing Paul.

Here is more info debunking the j6 "iNsUrReCtIoN"  narrative that is coming out of the Proud Boys trial about the FBI destroying evidence: 

 

Matthew, you make it impossible to resist.

Please provide a rebuttal of the assertions made here.

 

JACK POSOBIEC

Jack Posobiec is a political operative and internet performer of the anti-democracy hard right, known primarily for creating and amplifying viral disinformation campaigns. His disinformation typically focuses on making his political opponents seem dangerous or criminal, while ignoring or downplaying the corruption of authoritarians. Posobiec has repeatedly employed self-aggrandizement and acts of deception to boost his own profile. Researchers have noted the likelihood that automation, or “bots,” helped some of his posts trend on Twitter. Posobiec has used his prominence on Twitter to promote Russian military intelligence operations. He helped lead the “Stop the Steal” campaign, which cast doubt on the integrity of the 2016 and 2020 American presidential elections. He has also collaborated with white nationalists, antigovernment extremists, members of the Proud Boys, and neo-National Socialists in his capacity as an operative.

 

IN HIS OWN WORDS

“It’s time for real Christians to stand up and take this country back. … This country is not ours. This country is his. He is king. God is king. Christ is king. And, the minute we get that back, we get our country back.” – Colorado Christian University, Oct. 18, 2021

“Eyewitness reports one of the first people to break a window at the Capitol wearing a US flag shirt but took it off and tossed it in bush after. Others in dark clothing urging people to rush forward, starting anti-govt chants in crowd.” – Twitter, Jan. 6, 2021, feeding into a disinformation campaign that antifa stormed the Capitol building that day

“[Jan. 6] will be something that no one’s seen before. … I think it’s going to be absolutely historic, and really codify America’s history not only for this time but for years to come.” – to The Epoch Times the night of Jan. 5, 2021, during the “Stop the Steal” event that preluded the attack on the U.S. Capitol

“StoptheSteal 2020 is coming.” – Twitter, Sept. 7, 2020, a full two months before news outlets declared Joe Biden the winner of the 2020 presidential election

“It’s all fun and games until the rooftops start speaking Philly.” – Twitter, June 2, 2020, referring to a group of armed, white vigilantes who positioned themselves on rooftops in response to antiracist demonstrations and rioting in Philadelphia

“In the Russian point of view, modern warfare is information warfare. These modern wars take place in the psychological space – as pressure is applied through communications, politics, economics, and technology – suppressing an adversary’s will to act. Essentially, they have shifted from a war in the physical environment to war inside the human consciousness.” – 2018, from the book 4D Warfare: A Doctrine for a New Generation of Politics

“The @ADL_National would be wise to remember what happened the last time people made lists of undesirables” – Twitter, July 20, 2017, referring to a Jewish nongovernmental organization, alongside a selfie taken at Auschwitz

“Why shouldn’t white people also be allowed to speak at a racial seminar?” – Twitter, June 26, 2017, referring to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa’s disruption of a speaking engagement by Black civil rights activist Lutze Segu.

“My ancestors are smiling at me. Can you say the same?” – Twitter, May 8, 2017, following the Russian military intelligence-backed #MacronLeaks operation, which he played a central role in amplifying

“So why do we need organizations like this? I want to get this back on topic, okay? I want to get this back on topic. … What is the purpose of organizations like that? Like Proud Boys, like the Oath Keepers, that have been out there. I work very closely with the Oath Keepers. If you guys didn’t know that. … You know, they were out there all day today. … They were doing their support. … The Oath Keepers are already doing pre-security for the Trump rally in Harrisburg this Saturday. They’re letting me know what’s going on with that. Because of my background in the Navy and my background working, ah, ah, with the intelligence community, um, I’m very, very security minded.” – Periscope, April 2017, supporting the use of extremist groups as security

“I heard, someone heard … they turned Kekistanis into soap. … [They’re] turning them into lampshades.” – Periscope, March 31, 2017, referring to an antisemitic meme while filming white nationalist Scott Greer’s book launch

“On Election Day, Stop the Steal operated in realtime [sic], with volunteer data input and broadcast directly on StoptheSteal.com. The program was found to be highly accurate in the end, especially in PA, OH, and FL. It success [sic] can be duplicated in any race, at any level, and will be an effective tool in the 2018 midterm elections, and Donald Trump’s re-election in 2020.” – 2017, from the book Citizens for Trump: The Inside Story of the People’s Movement To Take Back America, referring to the anti-democracy campaign that eventually spawned the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

“I was honored to be among such company.” – 2017, from the book Citizens for Trump: The Inside Story of the People’s Movement To Take Back America, referring to a group of extremists that included Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes and Proud Boys member Joe Biggs

“#PizzaGate may be bigger than we suspected.” – Twitter, Nov. 21, 2016, less than two weeks before a gunman opened fire in Comet Ping Pong pizzeria

“Surrounded by (((them))) at Peter Thiel press conference” – Twitter, Oct. 31, 2016, singling out Jewish journalists with an antisemitic meme.

 

[Steve Thomas]

The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

The propaganda arm of the Atomwaffen Division.

Steve Thomas

[Leslie Sharp]

11 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Brilliant!  How does one share on FB?

[Leslie Sharp]

9 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

The propaganda arm of the Atomwaffen Division.

Steve Thomas

So true, Steve.

And for Matthew Koch's edification, a bit of historic propinquity that presages the continuity of the Dallas coup we're living through in real time. 

Subsequent to the rescue of Mussolini, Skorzeny was warmly congratulated and promoted in rank by Hitler and, at the behest of German Reich Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, appeared on “Deutschlander” radio, claiming that he was the man who liberated Mussolini, and embellishing the story with the tale of a non-existent gun battle. Further special operations tasks given to Skorzeny in the waning days of the Third Reich had mixed results, but his legend had been made. Winston Churchill pronounced the operation as being of “great daring,” and Western intelligence services took note of Skorzeny, foreshadowing post-war relationships. As Smith writes, another result of the Mussolini rescue was that “Skorzeny began to attract high-caliber military personnel of the type he had previously lacked…” . . .

 

[Sir Oswald] Mosley [head of the British N-azi party] married his second wife Diana Mitford—one of six Mitford sisters who captured the maelstrom of British and American press in their day—in 1936 in the Berlin home of National Socialist propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels with Adolf Hitler as one of the guests. Mosley, who would become a lifelong friend of National Socialist Ulrich Rudel, endorsed Hitler's policies following the outbreak of World War II led to his internment after which he was shunned by the British establishment. . . .

  

The operation had been a critical component of Hitler’s bolder goal of invasion of Britain once he had weakened British forces in France. Ireland was of huge strategic significance to the operation codenamed Operation Sea Lion. “ . . . weather reports were crucial, meaning Ireland once again became of significance to the Fuhrer who placed two of his most trusted lieutenants in charge, Grand Admiral Erich Raeder of the German Navy and Reichsmarschall Hermann Goring of the Luftwaffe. To underscore the significance of Ireland, Operation Green was compiled into five separate volumes which looked at the island from every conceivable military viewpoint including industry, transport, infrastructure, climate, and weather. When Mahr was called to Germany at the outset of the war, he was assigned to the head of Goebbels’ propaganda organ, Redaktion-Irland, coordinating broadcasts to neutral Ireland. Mahr decided to focus efforts on an anti-imperial, anti-partition and pro-neutrality campaign as well as efforts to use Irish-America as a tool to promote isolationism in the US which proved invaluable to Reich Minister Joseph Goebbels’ propaganda organization. Most likely Goebbels’ #2, Werner Naumann was closest to the specialized propaganda machine that involved Mahr. As noted, Nauman was integral to the operations of H. L. Lucht, tying him directly to Skorzeny and arms merchant Victor Oswald during the Cold War. . . .

 

Hjalmar’s [Schacht — Hitler’s once favorite banker] other daughter, Munich attorney Cordula Schacht made headlines in 2015 when she represented the family of Joseph Goebbels, Adolf Hitler’s minister of propaganda and one of his closest and most devout National Socialists. In headier days, Goebbels hosted the marriage ceremony of British fascist Sir Oswald Mosley to Diana Mitford in his Berlin home with the Fuhrer as honored guest. Years later, the rights to Goebbels’ writings were transferred by his siblings to a mysterious Swiss National Socialist financier, Francois Genoud who later transferred the rights to Cordula Schacht, the sister of Konstanze Schacht Spadafora. Ms. Cordula Schacht reportedly refused the publisher’s conditional offer of royalties that stipulated the funds be paid out to a Holocaust charity, insisting the monies be paid to the Goebbels family. Cordula prevailed and the courts ruled in favor of the Goebbels family. . . .

 

[Paul Brancato]

Apparently no cognitive dissonance going on there. Well, there never is.

Chris- I know some here are antagonistic towards you, and vice versa too. I watched all minutes of Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson, and I have a few questions and comments.  
First and foremost - what LIE are they constantly referring to without actually defining it? 
Second - who is selectively choosing what pics to show?
Tucker Carlson was given lots of footage, and he has picked a very strange one depicting the Horned Norseman being gently shown around, without saying when the footage was taken. It is out of context. We know nothing, except what Tucker shows us and tells us. And when he shows it his preface is all about the danger of pictures in the hands of propagandists (how true) while asking ‘what are they hiding?’ So when he curates the video it’s as a counterbalance to ‘They’, the House committee, who showed us hours of other footage that was very different. What is he intimating? What’s the LIE? That there was no violence on Jan 6th? 
Carlson makes a point that is different from yours when you say that this LIE was targeted at the right wing, with the intent of labeling any right wing protest as ‘terrorist’. (Did we forget ‘Jews will not replace us’, or vehicles ramming into civil rights protestors in Charlottesville, you know, good people on both sides?) IHe specifically mentions Bernie Sanders and his supporters, who would find themselves similarly labeled for any demonstration they engaged in. What is completely lacking from your analysis, and it pains me to say it, is that for my entire lifetime it’s been the LEFT that has been demonized, infiltrated with federal provocateurs. They have always been deemed ‘terrorist’. Think Civil Rights marches met with water cannons. I didn’t see any of that on Jan 6th. Black DC demonstrations against Trump were shut down by the authorities, unlike Jan 6, an almost completely white persons action. When the Proud Boys are met with the same deadly force as the Black Panthers were I’ll take notice. The progressive perspective has always been left out of mainstream narratives. Their experts have consistently been denied media coverage. It’s ‘leftist’ journalists that have been forced onto substack and other marginal media outlets, it’s that movement that has never had the backing of billionaires. And please, don’t throw George Soros into the mix - that’s just a right wing anti-Semitic trope.
There is a deep difference between the corporate media, and the Left. Yes, I’ll give you this - and Carlson is for that brief moment correct - labeling protest as terrorist is something we should all be up in arms about. And - please ignore Antifa. It’s clear what that is, at least to me. I investigated them years ago. Ain’t nothing to do with anarchism, and everything to do with exactly the point you were trying to make. Anything to divide and conquer is ok by ruling elites, and they ain’t Democrats or Republicans, they are both and neither. 

[Leslie Sharp]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

     It looks like Leslie Sharp is countering the Firehose of Falsehoods from Mathew Koch and our Coalition of the Clueless with a Firehose of Facts about Trump's J6 coup attempt.

     Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Mathew's cognitive dissonance to kick in, once he realizes that Tucker Carlson "hates Trump passionately."

     Perhaps it already has, and Mathew is responding by repeatedly posting Tucker YouTube clips. 🙄

"Don't bring a knife to our gunfight!"  

[Leslie Sharp]

38 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:

Yes! Nice work, Leslie, you're a friend of the truth. Always great to see a person do the right thing and act in good faith.

Like I said, I assume this manic episode by the MAGAs is because they just had one of their worst weeks ever.

And things will not be getting any better for them from here on out.

Thanks, Matt. I'm new to active participation on this forum and I get that flame throwing is disruptive, but appeasement just isn't in my Irish vocabulary.  From what I've read from you, it's not in your lexicon either. 

[Steve Thomas]

I now present for your enjoyment:

QAnon Sherman!

https://boingboing.net/2023/03/10/bumbling-video-host-kimberly-guilfoyle-talks-about-good-ol-qanon-sherman-video.html

Steve Thomas

[Matthew Koch]

42 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

The propaganda arm of the Atomwaffen Division.

Steve Thomas

This sound more like you than us.. 

 

[Matthew Koch]

4 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

I now present for your enjoyment:

QAnon Sherman!

https://boingboing.net/2023/03/10/bumbling-video-host-kimberly-guilfoyle-talks-about-good-ol-qanon-sherman-video.html

Steve Thomas

Your narrative is breaking down now that your Stasi censorship has been lifted.. 

[Leslie Sharp]

41 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:

Your narrative is breaking down now that your Stasi censorship has been lifted.. 

Matthew, the shaman stood at the House Speaker's podium and seized the gavel — knowing that the proceedings to ensure the peaceful transition of America's leadership had been disrupted by hoards of insurrectionists. Your narrative is Posobiec and Carlson's narrative.  Consider carefully with whom you align yourself.  

Funnny you mention the East German Stasi whose function was similar to Russia's KGB . . . 
From Posibiec's book

“In the Russian point of view, modern warfare is information warfare. These modern wars take place in the psychological space – as pressure is applied through communications, politics, economics, and technology – suppressing an adversary’s will to act. Essentially, they have shifted from a war in the physical environment to war inside the human consciousness.” – 2018, from the book 4D Warfare: A Doctrine for a New Generation of Politics

Posobiec on the imminent insurrection . . .

Posobiec told The Epoch Times that night that the gathering at the Capitol the next day would be “something that no one’s seen before.”

“[Jan. 6] will be something that no one’s seen before … I think it’s going to be absolutely historic, and really codify America’s history not only for this time but for years to come,” he said.

Posobiec on rejuvenation of European authoritarianism . . . 
Posobiec has called himself “a proud member of #SlavRight.” #SlavRight is a hashtag that connotes the support of hard-right authoritarianism in Eastern Europe. 

Posobiec on his shared ideology with Aleksandr Dugin . . . 
In the runup to #MacronLeaks, Posobiec hyped to his Twitter followers a 1997 book from the Russian neofascist Aleksandr Dugin. Dugin promotes a philosophy known as neo-Eurasianism, which is a political movement that envisions Russia as its own distinct civilizational entity that is between “Europe” and “Asia.” Dugin’s worldview blends Western fascist thought with more traditional Russian ultra-nationalism. 

Posobiec promoted to his followers Dugin’s 1997 book, The Foundations of Geopolitics, a 600-page Russian-language tome that argues Russian security services should “introduce geopolitical disorder” in the United States by promoting sectarian and racial tensions. 

A reminder for Matthew Koch, from the Postscript of Coup . . .  In 2017 there was a resurgence of interest in [Julius] Evola's work, and President Donald Trump's advisor Steve Bannon and also "Putin's Rasputin,” Aleksandr Dugin should be cited among the thinkers of the Right who have been influenced by Evola. 

 

Julius Evola: Evola (1898–1974) was an Italian Philosopher, an advocate of an elitist, idealist variety of Fascism, or some might say National Socialistsm. Influenced by Plato, Nietzsche, Oswald Spengler, Evola espoused an anti-democratic and anti-Semitic return to semi-mystical forms of Medieval Chivalry. During the war Evola met Mussolini immediately after the latter was rescued by Skorzeny. He may also have met Skorzeny there, but this is unconfirmed. His vision inspired Count Valerio Borghese, who wrote an introduction to Evola's book Men Among the Ruins, and also international terrorist (still living today) Stefano Delle Chiaie.

. . . Eventually, ["The Black Prince"] Borghese [so admired by Angleton] was joined in his activities by the notorious terrorist and assassin Stefano Delle Chiaie [alive in early September 2019]. Says author Martin Lee in his ground-breaking work, The Beast Reawakens, “Borghese often spoke highly of the five-foot fascist phenom, referring to Delle Chiaie as ‘one of the few men capable of putting things in order in Italy.’” The reader encounters Delle Chiaie in depth later in the chapter, but for now it’s important to note that it was Delle Chiaie who accompanied the Black Prince when they fled Italy for Spain following the botched putsch known as Golph Borghese in December 1970, where they rendezvoused with Otto Skorzeny. According to Lee, “Delle Chiaie glorified violence as a hygienic outburst capable of cutting through the postwar bourgeois morass. During the 1960s, his organization, Avanguardia National Socialistonale (National Vanguard)* came to be regarded as the cudgel of Italian right-wing extremism. For guidance and inspiration, Delle Chiaie looked to Julius Evola, the reactionary intellectual who emerged as the gray eminence of postwar Italian fascism.”

. . . Prince Junio Valerio Borghese [admired by CIA CI James Angleton] was another highly esteemed member of this cadres of fascists. Said [Leon] Degrelle [leader of the Rexist Party] of Borghese, “he was a very impressive man,” and asserted, “the most important man of post-Fascist Italy.” 

 

This ideology — the same that inspired the Dallas plot to kill JFK — is driving the young and apparently highly impressionable Jack Posobiec who apparently is informing you, Matthew.  Goebbels indeed.

*

Vanguard America

Vanguard America is an American white supremacist, neo-National Socialist, neo-fascist organization. The organization is also a member of the Nationalist Front.^[1][2] The group gained significant attention after it was revealed that James Alex Fields had marched with them at the Unite the Right rally before being arrested on murder charges.^[3][4] The group has its roots in the alt-right movement.^[5]

Patriot Front is an American white nationalist and neo-fascist hate group.^[7] Part of the broader alt-rightmovement, the group split off from the neo-National Socialist organization Vanguard America in the aftermath of the Unite the Right rally in 2017.^{[1][8][9][10]} Patriot Front's aesthetic combines traditional Americana with fascist symbolism. 

The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist^[5][6][7][8] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.^[9][10][11] Marchers included members of the alt-right,^[12] neo-Confederates,^[13] neo-fascists,^[14] white nationalists,^[15] neo-National Socialists,^[16] Klansmen,^[17] and far-rightmilitias.^[18] 

The Proud Boys is an exclusively male North American far-right neo-fascist organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States.^[1][9][10] It has been called a street gang^[11][12] and was designated as a terrorist group in Canada^[13][14] and New Zealand.^[8] The Proud Boys are known for their opposition to left-wing and progressive groups and their support for former U.S. President Donald Trump.^[1][10]

Matthew, perhaps the exclusively male policy of Proud Boys is particularly attractive?

Trump tells Proud Boys: 'Stand back and stand by'

 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Leslie Sharp

[Chris Davidson]

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

 - labeling protest as terrorist is something we should all be up in arms about.

Paul,

Personally, I would never label a "peaceful" protest as a terrorist act.

But, what occurred on Jan 6th was not a peaceful protest.

Terrorism Definitions 

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

And, if anyone believes it was peaceful, just watch/listen to 19 seconds of video.

https://vimeo.com/806904828

If a person smashed the windows in my house trying to break in, I wouldn't necessarily think they were a terrorist, unless the intent was proven to be of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

But, I do have the right to defend my property/safety.

The hypocrisy flowing from the Fox mouthpieces is deafening.

 

 

 

 

[Leslie Sharp]

6 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

Paul,

Personally, I would never label a "peaceful" protest as a terrorist act.

But, what occurred on Jan 6th was not a peaceful protest.

Terrorism Definitions 

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

And, if anyone believes it was peaceful, just watch/listen to 19 seconds of video.

https://vimeo.com/806904828

If a person smashed the windows in my house trying to break in, I wouldn't necessarily think they were a terrorist, unless the intent was proven to be of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

But, I do have the right to defend my property/safety.

The hypocrisy flowing from the Fox mouthpieces is deafening.

 

 

 

 

Well said, both Paul and Chris, but there's an elephant in the room . . .  the insurrectionists unlawfully stormed our - my, your, their — nation's capitol during proceedings to ensure the peaceful transfer of leadership as defined in OUR Constitution. 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Leslie Sharp
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