Oswald the Tight End and Pissed Off Marines

[Rob Clark]

Seems from his alleged actions in the Marines, our government would've wanted him court-martialed upon returning from Russia...and he had the testicular fortitude to ask that his dishonorable discharge be reversed after causing "thousands of man hours" be expended to change radar codes and call signs for the entire West Coast and Japan. Also alleged by John Donovan, his former Supervisor, was that Oswald got drunk and cursed an Officer, would bait and try to make Officers look stupid, and also dated the same airline stewardess that Donovan had?

[Steve Thomas]

3 hours ago, Rob Clark said:

Also alleged by John Donovan, his former Supervisor, was that Oswald got drunk and cursed an Officer,

 

Rob,

Just in case you're interested, you can read a summary of this incident in 19H p. 683 here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136#relPageId=701&tab=page

Oswald remembered inviting the Sergeant outside, "but didn't remember calling him yellow, or anything like that."

Like some Private is going to call his Marine Sergeant yellow.

That's like a death wish or something.  :-)

Steve Thomas

[Ron Bulman]

7 hours ago, Rob Clark said:

Seems from his alleged actions in the Marines, our government would've wanted him court-martialed upon returning from Russia...and he had the testicular fortitude to ask that his dishonorable discharge be reversed after causing "thousands of man hours" be expended to change radar codes and call signs for the entire West Coast and Japan. Also alleged by John Donovan, his former Supervisor, was that Oswald got drunk and cursed an Officer, would bait and try to make Officers look stupid, and also dated the same airline stewardess that Donovan had?

First time I've read about Oswald playing football.  Rob I see the NYT Dec. 4, do you know what year?  It's interesting as I've just been reading Jim Garrison's observation about all the Marines interviewed by the Warren Omission.  All but Kerry Thornley get about a half page but he get's I think 22.  All but him say O never mentioned communisim or russia.  But he did.  Garrison notes KT knew O for a shorter time than they and he never lived in the same barracks as O.  Donovan wasn't interviewed by the WO?  Why, he would have supported their lies.  Is his story later backup for the official tripe?  

[Matt Allison]

Michael Paine said that Oswald loved watching football games on the weekend, which I always found to be an amusing anecdote.

[Rob Clark]

12 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

First time I've read about Oswald playing football.  Rob I see the NYT Dec. 4, do you know what year? 

Yessir...this was 1963.

[Ron Bulman]

The more I think of this the more interesting it becomes.  Oswald's former CO Donovan was a physics instructor in Alexandria Virginia on 12/4/63, quickly found for his statement 2 weeks after the assassination by the NYT.  Yet the Warren Omission overlooked him?  His statements would have supported Thornley, when no others did.  

Nelson Delgado had lived closest to Oswald and for the longest period . . .  who bunked next door to Oswald for the better part of 11 months had no recollection whatever of Oswald's Marxist leanings.  Under oath Delgado swore that Oswald "never said any subversive things . . .".  . . . "He would discuss his ideas but not anything against our government or - nothing socialist, mind you".

Daniel Powers, served with Oswald in Florida, Mississippi, El Toro and Japan.  Jenner (WO): Did he ever express any sympathy to the communist party?  None that I recall. Toward communist principles?  None that i recall.  Or Marxist doctrines?   None that I recall.  Pgs. 45-46, On The Trail, Garrison.  Next,

"I examined the testimony of John E. Donavan, who was a first Lieutenant at El Toro when Oswald was there.  His testimony about Oswald's leftist leanings was explicit". . . I never heard him in any way, shape or form confess that he was a Communist or that he thought about being a Communist."

Hmm.  A little different than to the NYT on 12/4/63.  Interesting Thornley moved to Virginia from NO a few days after the assassination.

[Ron Bulman]

So what we have is Thornley returning from a summer vacation to see his parents in California via Mexico in October 1963.  Where Ozzie supposedly went near the same time.  Living in apartment C of a building owned by John Spencer in November, per what Garrison says he told him.  "We located Spencer, who turned out of be a friend of Clay Shaw's. . . . sometimes Spencer visited Shaw, sometimes vice versa.  Spencer told us,  however, that Shaw never came by while Thornley was living at his place."

Then to paraphrase Several days after the assassination Spencer found Thornley gone with a week left on his rent and a note in the mailbox, "going to the Washington D C area, probably Arlington Virginia".

Then we have what Garrison later called A first lieutenant at El Toro while Oswald was there, John E. Donovan of Alexandria Virginia speaking to the NYT 12 or 13 days after the assassination.  As "his former commanding officer".  Promoting the official day after CIA supported line, Oswald was a commie.  He studied Russian and read a Russian newspaper.

So Thornley gets a job as a doorman at some apartments in Arlington making less than his apartment there costs and hangs around until his Warren Omission skewering of Oswald then heads for California.

While Spencer tells the WO "never in any way. shape or form a Commie".

Something fishy here?  With a slice of limburger cheese thrown in?

I'll bet Spencer and Thornley would both have appreciated Sweet Virginia.  Scrape that xxxx right off your shoes Mick.  Full Screen of course!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rolling+stone+sweet+virginia+live&view=detail&mid=CECE08F3E190D0F52E22CECE08F3E190D0F52E22&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3drolling%2bstone%2bsweet%2bvirginia%2blive%26form%3dPRUSEN%26mkt%3den-us%26httpsmsn%3d1%26msnews%3d1%26rec_search%3d1%26refig%3d59ca87c1aa1a4adcafda1fccf195e2f6%26sp%3d-1%26ghc%3d1%26pq%3drolling%2bstone%2bsweet%2bvirginia%2blive%26sc%3d2-33%26qs%3dn%26sk%3d%26cvid%3d59ca87c1aa1a4adcafda1fccf195e2f6

  

 

[Michael Clark]

4 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Something fishy here?  With a slice of limburger cheese thrown in?

It’s not a nothingburger, for sure.

 

On 7/1/2020 at 1:27 PM, Rob Clark said:

Seems from his alleged actions in the Marines, our government would've wanted him court-martialed upon returning from Russia...and he had the testicular fortitude to ask that his dishonorable discharge be reversed after causing "thousands of man hours" be expended to change radar codes and call signs for the entire West Coast and Japan. Also alleged by John Donovan, his former Supervisor, was that Oswald got drunk and cursed an Officer, would bait and try to make Officers look stupid, and also dated the same airline stewardess that Donovan had?

We’re seeing the amalgam of the DPD Oswald and the barbershop Oswald.

 

 

[James DiEugenio]

Donovan did testify before the Warren Commission on May 5, 1964.

He found Oswald to be a competent radar operator but a little goofy on foreign affairs,  He talked about the Russian papers but said he did not think Oswald took that stuff seriously.  ANd did not really think he was a communist. Oswald had a secret clearance, and thus codes and frequencies and call signs had to be changed upon the defection.

Donovan also said Oswald was a very good chess player.  Overall, Donovan's final testimony was positive.  

[Joe Bauer]

Witness contradictions never end with Oswald.

So, did Oswald's co-radar men offer to chip in for Oswald's departure via hardship because they all hated the guy that much?

Did no one ever locate any of his 5 or 6 co - radar unit members and ask them any questions about Oswald such as the Donovan recount of them chipping in to get Oswald out of there?

[Ron Bulman]

On 7/1/2020 at 12:27 PM, Rob Clark said:

Seems from his alleged actions in the Marines, our government would've wanted him court-martialed upon returning from Russia...and he had the testicular fortitude to ask that his dishonorable discharge be reversed after causing "thousands of man hours" be expended to change radar codes and call signs for the entire West Coast and Japan. Also alleged by John Donovan, his former Supervisor, was that Oswald got drunk and cursed an Officer, would bait and try to make Officers look stupid, and also dated the same airline stewardess that Donovan had?

Thanks for this Rob.  Important to note here how Donovan changed his story between 12/4/63 and for the Warren Omission later in 1964.