Interesting account of JFK affair, Gore Vidal

[Cliff Varnell]

2 minutes ago, Cory Santos said:

You guys are baseball fanboys.  

So was Marilyn.  Big Yankee fan.

[Ron Bulman]

Wasn't Gore-Vidal an eagles fan?  Isn't he the one who wrote about them sneaking in lug nuts in their pockets to put into snowballs to hurl at the cowboy's players?  About them throwing coke bottles and half full beers at them going through the tunnel off the field?

[Cory Santos]

15 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

So was Marilyn.  Big Yankee fan.

Yes.   As you know, his brother always made sure my dad and our family had a great meal when in San Francisco so he and dad could discuss boxing.  I wish I could have asked him more about Marilyn.  But I was a young child.

However, I doubt his brother would have liked bringing up Kennedy as his brother hated them.   For example, not my words but see:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/joe-dimaggio-died-convinced-jfk-had-monroe-killed-2511442?amp

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100802&page=1

https://people.com/politics/marilyn-monroe-affair-john-f-kennedy-robert-f-kennedy/

Edited November 29, 2022 by Cory Santos

[Joe Bauer]

Once listened to a Marichal/Koufax pitching duel game.

Mays hit a home run off of Koufax. Giants won 1 to 0.

PITCHER Tony Cloninger of the Atlanta Braves once hit (2) GRAND SLAMS in ONE game against the Giants in 1966.

I was feted on my 34 birthday ( 9/21/1985 ) with a special game visit to the Giants against the Dodgers in Candlestick Park.

I was driven in a limo from my friends parked car upon arriving.

We were served lunch in the Stadium Club. When finished my friend and his family were seated in the first row right behind home plate.

I was then escorted to the radio broadcast booth where I got to sit with game play by play announcers Dave Glass and Hank Greenwald.  They announced my name and birthday just as the game started.

I drank too way much Vodka at my lunch and was just bombed the entire broadcast time. Greenwald was going to ask me some questions during the broadcast but could see I was out of it. He did ask one time...Well Mr. Bauer...what do you think of the game?  I heavily slurred..." Ish Greatsh."

My wife was listening on the radio at home and told me I did this. I couldn't remember.

They flashed my name on the scoreboard during the 7th inning stretch.  Saying "Happy Birthday Joe!"

The Giants Lost 11 to 0. 

Even before the game ended I was carried down to the lower parking lot level and my friends drove me home 125 miles South back to Monterey. I was still pretty out of it the entire ride home.

Last fun story.

I got to a Giants game at the stick real late. I drove in the back of the big parking lot. A guy waved me to an open spot. He told me I had to pay $20 to park there. He then ran with my twenty dollar bill super fast out the gate and into the Hunters Point projects.

"What a sucker!" I am sure he laughed on his way out the gate.

Edited December 1, 2022 by Joe Bauer

[Cliff Varnell]

On 11/27/2022 at 7:06 PM, Cliff Varnell said:

And yet around the 32 minute mark of his 2hr doc Jim DiEugenio acknowledges JFK had a shallow back wound at T3.

Looks like my 24 years of T-3 shaming the Experts sank in.

Bump

[Joe Bauer]

On 11/28/2022 at 9:18 PM, Cory Santos said:

Yes.   As you know, his brother always made sure my dad and our family had a great meal when in San Francisco so he and dad could discuss boxing.  I wish I could have asked him more about Marilyn.  But I was a young child.

However, I doubt his brother would have liked bringing up Kennedy as his brother hated them.   For example, not my words but see:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/joe-dimaggio-died-convinced-jfk-had-monroe-killed-2511442?amp

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100802&page=1

https://people.com/politics/marilyn-monroe-affair-john-f-kennedy-robert-f-kennedy/

Cory S.

Why did Joe DiMaggio refuse to let Frank Sinatra attend MM's funeral service?

[Cory Santos]

2 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Cory S.

Why did Joe DiMaggio refuse to let Frank Sinatra attend MM's funeral service?

Lol.  He felt Sinatra brought her to that group.  Introduced her to people that were responsible for messing her up.     
He actually told Sinatra to leave the funeral.   They were friends at one point I understand.  Perhaps it had something to do with the allegations about the Cal Neva the weekend before.  

[James DiEugenio]

Joe, you saw Marichal vs Koufax?

 

Whew, high cotton.

 

And did anyone ever equal what Cloninger did?  A pitcher hitting two grand slams in a game?

[Joe Bauer]

12 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Joe, you saw Marichal vs Koufax?

 

Whew, high cotton.

 

And did anyone ever equal what Cloninger did?  A pitcher hitting two grand slams in a game?

Big Jim D.

Listened to it on the radio I think.

Another memorable baseball watching experience.

I was watching the Giants on TV. Will Clark was coming up to the plate.

One of the play by play announcers (Mike Krukow or his partner?) just blurted out to the other..."Will Clark is going to hit a homer...right now!"

The other announcer, taken back silent for a second or two, said something like ...that's quite a bold prediction there.

The prediction announcer said he couldn't explain it but that he just had the strongest feeling Clark would do this.

The very first pitch...Will Clark hit a home run!

The other play by play announcer expressed sincere astonishment at his partner's fulfilled prediction.

Even the announcer who made the prediction seemed taken back. Slightly embarrassed, he said something like he had never made a prediction like this before, especially on air.

Another time the Giants were playing the Houston Astros. The game was tied in the bottom of the ninth. Willie Mays hit a deep drive to center. The ball went right to the top of the fence. Russ Hodges ( or was it Lon Simmons...not sure ) was just about to yell his signature "Tell It Bye Bye Baby!"

But a split second before he could, the great Astros star centerfielder Jimmy Wynn ( a mini Willie Mays ) made a magnificent great leap...and caught the ball!

My right arm and fist was ready for a bottom of the ninth game winning Mays HR thrust and cheer...and then "WHAT? NO WAY!"

I swear this is true.

The game remained tied until Willie Mays came up again a few innings later.

1 or 2 pitches and then CRACK!

Mays hits "another one" to and over the Astrodome centerfield wall! Exactly where his last HR effort ball was caught!

But THIS ONE was never in doubt. Giants win!

Mays was my hero.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2022 by Joe Bauer

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Cory S.

Why did Joe DiMaggio refuse to let Frank Sinatra attend MM's funeral service?

Is this to do with the Sam Giancana drugging her and taking indecent images of her being made to do all sorts? 

[Matthew Koch]

1 hour ago, Chris Barnard said:

Is this to do with the Sam Giancana drugging her and taking indecent images of her being made to do all sorts? 

Basically, from stuff that happened at Cal Neva Lodge https://www.sfgate.com/sfhistory/article/history-larry-ellison-Cal-Neva-Lodge-14496588.php

Giancana and Sinatra figured into one of the Cal Neva’s most mysterious tales: the last weekend of Marilyn Monroe’s life. No one knows for sure what happened the weekend of July 28, 1962 when the movie star arrived for a quick stay at the resort. Some believe she was there as a guest of actor Peter Lawford and his wife Patricia Kennedy (sister of the president). Others say she came to see Giancana himself. Some versions of the tale report ex-husband Joe DiMaggio came to visit her and was turned away. The photos snapped that weekend are among the last of her ever taken; she was found dead on Aug. 5.

[Joe Bauer]

Cal Neva...what a dump.

[James DiEugenio]

Those are great ones Joe.

 

Great years for the Giants.  So many star players.

[Kirk Gallaway]

52 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Cal Neva...what a dump.

Joe, That was my reaction, when I started hearing about all this stuff with Sinatra, Marilyn, JFK, the Kennedy's visiting. It always seemed pretty tacky to me in the late 60's early 70's. North shore.  It must have been nicer in back then if you were well connected.Of course most of the action was down on  South Shore.

I remember in my bed with a transistor radio under my pillow so I wouldn't risk my parents hearing it, and listening to the 16 inning shut out pitching duel between Juan Marichal and  40 year old Warren Spahn that was ended by a Mays Home Run in the bottom of the 16th! Probably the greatest pitching duel of all time!  The Giants finished with 8 hits, and the Braves with 7!

You could wait at a place near the player parking lot at Candlestick for the players to come out. I got Willie Mays, Juan Marichal's and Willie Mac Covey's autographs during a couple of visits. But i don't have them anymore.

[Joe Bauer]

5 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Joe, That was my reaction, when I started hearing about all this stuff with Sinatra, Marilyn, JFK, the Kennedy's visiting. It always seemed pretty tacky to me in the late 60's early 70's. North shore.  It must have been nicer in back then if you were well connected.Of course most of the action was down on  South Shore.

I remember in my bed with a transistor radio under my pillow so I wouldn't risk my parents hearing it, and listening to the 16 inning shut out pitching duel between Juan Marichal and  40 year old Warren Spahn that was ended by a Mays Home Run in the bottom of the 16th! Probably the greatest pitching duel of all time!  The Giants finished with 8 hits, and the Braves with 7!

You could wait at a place near the player parking lot at Candlestick for the players to come out. I got Willie Mays, Juan Marichal's and Willie Mac Covey's autographs during a couple of visits. But i don't have them anymore.

Thanks for sharing about that greatest pitching duel.

What an incredible game! I missed that one.

We kids loved listening to the Giants so much, we would carry a transister radio with us to do so. 

Marichal so often had one-on-one duels with the likes of Hall Of Fame pitchers Koufax, Drysdale, Spahn, Gibson, Bunning, Ferguson Jenkins.

And incredibly, he won more times than he lost against those other super star pitchers. Check his career won/loss record!

Man, baseball in the 60's had so many superstars. Pitchers and hitters.

Hitters like Aaron, Mays, Mantle, Clemente, Banks, Cepeda, McCovey, Stargell, Frank Robinson, Jimmy Wynn, Ron Santo, Billy Williams, Lou Brock, Frank Howard, Harmon Killebrew, Richie ( Dick) Allen, and on and on.

Pitchers like I mentioned in the National League including Tom Seaver.

Others Whitey Ford,Gaylord Perry, Denny McClain, Mike Cuellar, Mel Stottlemeyer, Dave McNally, "Sudden" Sam McDowell, Jim Maloney, etc.

Great decade to watch and listen to the game. Ticket prices were even affordable as well as hot dog and beer prices!

Baseball was king in the US back then. Bigger than football and basketball.

 

Edited December 1, 2022 by Joe Bauer