Paul Landis Revelation About Assassination Bullet

[Bill Brown]

On 9/10/2023 at 3:10 PM, Vince Palamara said:

Landis' age (88) is the only thing working in his favor that he is not just a fraudster looking for cash. That said, I am skeptical. IF he is lying, it is a win-win for me: just goes to show you what XXXXX these agents are (Hill, Blaine, etc.).

 

It's entirely possible that Landis is not lying.  Perhaps he did find the bullet inside the car and placed it on A GURNEY, but not necessarily the President's gurney.  None of the Parkland doctors recall a bullet lying on Kennedy's gurney as they tried to save his life inside Trauma Room One.

 

[Pat Speer]

1 hour ago, Mark Ulrik said:

It's even worse than that. The bullet would also have had to work its way out through the shirt.

Unless it never made its way inside the shirt... Some like to twist Humes' statements into his saying the bullet penetrated an inch or so. His testimony is clear, however, that it barely broke the skin. if so, this would 1) indicate that the bullet was under-charged, and 2) be in keeping with Landis' current recollection of seeing an intact bullet in the rear compartment.

Edited September 11, 2023 by Pat Speer

[Pat Speer]

47 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

It's entirely possible that Landis is not lying.  Perhaps he did find the bullet inside the car and placed it on A GURNEY, but not necessarily the President's gurney.  None of the Parkland doctors recall a bullet lying on Kennedy's gurney as they tried to save his life inside Trauma Room One.

 

I think we are in alignment on this. He may very well have put it on a gurney in the hallway, thinking it was JFK's gurney. His current claim he put it on the gurney in Trauma Room One while JFK was surrounded by medical people doesn't pass muster, IMO. 

[Charles Blackmon]

“Even assuming that he is accurately describing what happened with the bullet,” author Gerald Posner told The Times, “it might mean nothing more than we now know that the bullet that came out of Governor Connally did so in the limousine, not on a stretcher in Parkland where it was found.”

But how did the "magic bullet" make its way onto the back seat of the limo Gerald?

Guess its even more magic than we had previously been told.

[David Von Pein]

13 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

He may very well have put it on a gurney in the hallway, thinking it was JFK's gurney. His current claim he put it on the gurney in Trauma Room One while JFK was surrounded by medical people doesn't pass muster, IMO. 

The biggest thing, though, that doesn't pass muster is the idea that Landis would NOT TELL ANYONE at Parkland that he was dropping a bullet onto a stretcher inside the hospital. It's ridiculous to think a SS agent would do that and not tell a single person what he had done.

After all, Landis himself says he was worried about the bullet getting lost. And yet we're supposed to believe he just left it at the foot of JFK's stretcher and then just walked silently away? It's crazy that anyone could (or would) believe such a story.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by David Von Pein

[Mark Ulrik]

21 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

Unless it never made its way inside the shirt... Some like to twist Humes' statements into his saying the bullet penetrated an inch or so. His testimony is clear, however, that it barely broke the skin. if so, this would 1) indicate that the bullet was under-charged, and 2) be in keeping with Landis' current recollection of seeing an intact bullet in the rear compartment.

It punched a hole in the shirt, didn't it? Very hard to imagine that it didn't enter.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Mark Ulrik

[Charles Blackmon]

15 minutes ago, Mark Ulrik said:

It punched a hole in the shirt, didn't it? Very hard to imagine that it didn't enter.

Ballistics expert? Lets hear from one.

[Benjamin Cole]

2 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

 

"1. Landis' explanation is that CE 399 is a projectile that made the shallow wound in JFK's back, and then fell out."

 

There is no chance that a bullet struck Kennedy in the back and penetrated only to such a shallow depth that it could later simply fall out of the entry wound.  Complete nonsense.  Whatever did occur, it wasn't this.

 

Why so? 

Isn't one explanation (WC-HSCA) that is what CE399 did---penetrate JBC's leg, and then fall out? 

Is there a body of literature on this? 

 

 

 

[David Von Pein]

9 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Isn't one explanation (WC-HSCA) that is what CE399 did---penetrate JBC's leg, and then fall out? 

Yes, but it fell out of his leg only AFTER it did a lot of other damage to TWO victims.

You surely aren't going to claim that CE399 falling out of Connally's leg (at a point when it was almost totally spent) is the same as a bullet hitting JFK's upper back at full muzzle velocity....are you?

Edited September 12, 2023 by David Von Pein

[Benjamin Cole]

3 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

Yes, but it fell out of his leg only AFTER it did a lot of other damage to TWO victims.

You surely aren't going to claim that CE399 falling out of JBC's leg (at a point when it was almost totally spent) is the same as a bullet hitting JFK's upper back at full muzzle velocity....are you?

No.

The argument being made is the bullet that struck JFK in his back was undercharged or defective. 

Many witnesses described the first audible shot as different sounding from the following two (and rapid) audible shots. 

We do have the autopsy finding the wound in JFK's back only went a short way, less than a finger length. 

Now we have Landis stating he found the pristine bullet in the limo. 

If Landis memory is correct...a reasonable deduction is that the bullet worked its way out of JFK's back. 

[Charles Blackmon]

Ballistics expert anyone? Please present your credentials at the door.

[Pat Speer]

22 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

Yes, but it fell out of his leg only AFTER it did a lot of other damage to TWO victims.

You surely aren't going to claim that CE399 falling out of Connally's leg (at a point when it was almost totally spent) is the same as a bullet hitting JFK's upper back at full muzzle velocity....are you?

Oy vey. The assumption has always been that the bullet wasn't fired at full velocity. According to Humes it did not enter the back, it essentially made a divot--which is totally consistent with the bullet's being found on the rear seat. 

[James DiEugenio]

Charles:

The problem with this case is simple.  As Arlen Specter revealed to Ed Epstein, but which Epstein kept secret, he explained to the Commission: Either we go with the Magic Bullet, or we start looking for a second assassin.  They were not going to look for a second assassin. 

Therefore, they ended up backing this ridiculous Magic Bullet.  And all of the so called experts--like Sturdivan, Canning and Guinn--knew why they were there. And they knew they would be supported by the people who mattered. Even though they were putting forth nothing but crapola.

Therefore any real experts in the field do not want to get involved.  Since they know how contaminated it is.  But just look back at what Helpern said about the Magic Bullet.  And he was the number one medical examiner in America at the time.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by James DiEugenio

[Charles Blackmon]

Vincent "Two and only two bullets" Guinn. What a joke!

[David Von Pein]

1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:

The argument being made is the bullet that struck JFK in his back was undercharged or defective. 

But if the bullet was "undercharged" or "defective", I'm wondering how it ever even made it as far as JFK's upper back. (And why aren't you wondering the same thing?)

Why didn't that "undercharged" bullet die a slow death long before it ever got close to Kennedy's body?

Did the bullet only become "undercharged" AFTER it had reached its destination?

Let the CTer speculation begin anew.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by David Von Pein